The same copyright problems happen VoyeurWeb, RedClouds, and Homeclips as well as other similar sites, but they don't allow affiliates or affiliate programs to submit videos or pictures to get free traffic.

I don't like people posting stolen content at all, but XTube and Rude.com are great resources for honest webmasters and affilate programs that play by the rules. Quality traffic is not usually given away for free.

XTube is a service provider, they do not actively select the content, its just put up and they just remove content that they feel is illegal. This way there is no need for them to keep 2257 info, even under US law.

That is why they do not actively pick each set of content... if they did, they would have to keep 2257 info... for the US laws at least..

This just as a note regarding 2257...

Now go on with the thread ;)

Sorry, but I have to disagree. If we were talking about 2257 circa 1995 or so, you might have something. Even then, it is questionable.

xtube changes the format of the videos. The add their trailer / logo onto the videos. They sort them by type, content, name, etc. They publish them on webpages that they alone control (the submitters do not control the pages that their content appears on).

From where I sit, Xtube received, encodes, repackages and redistributes the videos on their website. Sourcing the videos from a content supplier or from the general public to build a website doesn't change the nature of the game. "hosting" and hosting alone wouldn't involve things like re-encoding, managing, listing, indexing, insertion on page, etc.

At minimum, they are a secondary producer, and with absense of contact information for the individual posters, they could be the defacto primary producer (because no other information is provided).

It is a very, very long stretch to say that xtube is nothing more than a filehost, doubly so because the line between the "content for sale" and the "user submitted content" is blurred by the format of the site.

Ok, so why don't you allow webmasters and sponsors to post clips but FORBID the surfers from uploading content?

That would be nice:) I think there are a couple sites doing this, if not, it's a good idea for a new site.

You don't know what "copyrighted content" LOOKS like?

Try searching the name "Tawnee Stone" or "Jordan Capri" or "Lightspeed". When it has my URLs all over it, do you really think its "amateur produced". I especially like the copy of Jordan Capri's hardcore tape with the torrent site labelled on top of it.... yeah, that's obviously "user-submitted"... You want support from the industry? Then stop ripping us off and pretending to be ignorant to it!

Steve Lightspeed

Proof is here
http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=xvXxAyfQ2uH&page=1

I particularly like the jordan hardcore clip with the porntorrents logo across the middle of it. Classic.

Xtube is starting to look like another Guba.

That proves that xtube should be populated by webmasters (with refcode of sponsors) and amateur users. The normal users are uploading shit!

Ok, I did a test! 100% recently uploaded movies from webmasters accounts are legal! Not stolen at all. I cannot say the same for normal users that grab everything and post everything. Lance, you need to focus on normal users and not point finger against webmasters.

With webmaster you're safe! No bullshit, no stolen contents. Why they have to kill themselves? Amateurs are safe too. Normal users are the problem.

Again, sorry, but you are wrong.

Pretty much every program I have seen has limits on how content can be used. Most programs do not grant webmasters the right to repost or distribute their content on other sites. Also most programs do not allow their content to promote any other site, but clearly posting on xtube promotes mtree, at least 2 other programs, plus whatever is on etology on every page, which would make it an invalid promotion.

Affiliates typically don't have the permission to distribute content in this manner. They don't have the documents to support a 2257 request, they don't have a contractual right to allow anyone else to publish it.

Is this a tantrum you're having? You HAD to know that in bringing your issue to this board you were going to get your feet held to the fire at least a little. How could you not know that, and be prepared for it?

Keep your cool and just do what's right and address some of these concerns, because some of them appear to have considerable merit. Or come with more attitude and this thread WILL deteriorate into a train wreck.

douchebags.

bang bros VIOLATION:
http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=990jAEvA77K

bang bros VIOLATION:
http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=99Z5OVtqTo3

bang bros VIOLATION:
http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=99QjKl06AEA

sean cody VIOLATION:
http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=99VFKkma14k

and on and on and on and on

Poor bang bros & sean cody, you'd think if xtube cared they would create some sort of filter to at least try to prevent bang bros content from being uploaded.

Instead, in order to get their PROPERTY removed from the site they have to go through a long process. That doesn't fix the fact that xtube profits for the views the videos get BEFORE it is removed.

People love free content, I'm sure they are searching for their favorite content on xtube everyday (bangbros, etc)

Check out them views for those videos as well. The sean cody one has 30 - 40k

We all know there could have been at least ONE sale in there ;)

I love it when idiots call for a site to be shut down just because some unauthorized content is being posted. Sit back for a second and imagine an internet that killed sites that had abusive members. Fact is, there wouldn't be much of anything left. GFY wouldn't even be around anymore.

Personally I have 100% agreement of the owner of the paysite that I promote.

Is really needed a list of allowed and not allowed programs to promote. People keeps promoting stole contents even when/if webmasters are banned because webmasters don't cheat and don't post stolen contents.

So all gallery submitters are cheating the program that they're promoting. Bah!

I am sure site/content owners and affiliates will work with you, but really I am having problems seeing where your point is, or why anyone would want their products on your site if your not going to work with us. Because the Vids for the most part on your site are owned by many on this board and willing to bet they would all say they are Webmasters at last in some ways.

Really I don’t get it? What I hear is Fuck You we will use your hard work and property and not even let you work with us. If you want to stop anyone from posting videos is should be Non Webmasters or content holders, as anyone else for the most part is just posting stolen content.

Lets say Ebay did the same thing, and did not want to let the owners of the property list it, but if you do not have the right to sell they would be more than happy to give it away for you. Would this not be call the Back Market and would someone not be going to jail?

If their is some misunderstanding now would be a good time to make us all understand as it sounds to me you want to cut out the rightfully owners of the content and only deal with (viewers) that do not have the right to be posting it. This is really backwards, if anything you should be glad the “webmasters” or those with the right to the content want to list it with you, and be trying to work with us not against us. Nothing is perfect but fuck seems you are talking about removing the only legitimate part of the site.

Please just work with us not against us.

EXACTLY. This is the problem. Sponsors dont care if you have some of their content up if you are sending traffic but there is no way in hell someone is going to find that link.

If a webmaster grabs some content from a site and makes tgp galleries with a million AFF ads and one tiny hidden banner to the program that is a problem.

Change your banner system so there is an obvious link to the program of the displayed content not to AFF. End of problems.

This is a excellent idea, but .................................................. ........

I can say you that users are able to find this link!

The only link is small, and located BELOW THE FOLD on a 1600X1200 screen. On an 800 X 600 or 1200X whatever, it would be two full screens below the video.

It is clear that the intent of the site is to generate hits to cam sites, dating sites, to etology pay per click ads, and importantly to get people to signup to xtube to pay for videos on their VOD system. It is not designed in the slightest to get traffic to the site that the video comes from.

Any program owner that thinks they are getting a good deal on that should contact me about the sunny warm lake front property I am selling cheap in Nunavut.

I said that looking my stats. CTR is really shitty but I cannot complain at all. It's a good balance. Webmasters contents are making xtube bigger and wider and both webmasters both xtube owner are making money. Program owners are happy (at least 100% of he ones that I talked with). The black point are users. Not amateur users but normal users. Every day I see stolen contents uploaded by users, NOT webmasters. Proly a user cannot understand the difference between stolen and not stolen contents. It's porn! Free porn good to jerk them off! XTUBE should keeping eyes opened on users. Webmasters are the most safe people that they could deal with. Users are wasting the system. So or control users uploading or closing eyes. Banning webmasters doesn't change the situation because the problem is on another side.

That's an example of what I was trying to say

http://www.XTube.com/play_re.php?v=9...cl=N5abX5cdsC9

It has been uploaded by a normal users. It seems to be something amateur but NOPE. It's not amateur. It's a STOLEN CONTENT produced by GammaCash / GayPornAccess. Lets say that webmasters have been banner.... users keep uploading stolen stuff. Isn't better let webmasters posting stuff with their ref code so: xtube owners are happy, webmaster are happy, sponsors are happy. It's so great! Why try to fix the problem on one side if the real problem is on another side?

simons, I understand your point, but that is almost besides the point. much of the "webmaster" uploaded content is content intended for affiliates to build galleries and free sites that they host themselves, not to be uploaded to another site. Further, because of the site design and layout, I would guess that 99.8% of the clickouts off that page aren't going to the sponsor who's content is used even when it is uploaded with full permission.

There is 6 to 8 ad spots significantly more prominent on that page, and they are mostly above the fold line. The sponsor's content is being used mostly to sell dating and sell cam shows. It isn't being used to sell their site.

There is no argument you can make that would make that problem go away. All this site is doing is giving away an ass load of content and not even bothering to put the effort into marketing the sites that the content comes from.

I dare you to make a few galleries like this and show them to your sponsors and see how they feel.

Oh yeah, and simons, I'm in the porn business. uploading your gay home movies and thinking you might upset someone is rather silly. "uploaded 7 minutes ago". Nice.

You're right but I've ever asked the agreement of the sponsors that I promote. I know lots of sponsor owners that are promoting their sites on xtube. What's the difference between a gallery and an uploaded movie on xtube? None. They're free contents giving away. It needs about a couple of hundreds of tube sites to cover all free stuff that you can find looking tgp/free sites and so on. Sponsors haven't any problem with galleries.

Regarding CTR you're right too. But it seems that this CTR is good for both side. Xtube owners get a huge % of clicks to their adv. That's good and the smaller % of clicks on webmaster's banners seems to be profitable too if people keep posting every day ;).

lol, are you thinking that I've uploaded this movie? Nope, you're wrong. I got it from last uploded movies (http://www.xtube.com/videos.php?c=mrv&sex_type=G)

See this is what worries me, they already seem to be most worried about sending traffic to their ?sponsor? and try to kind of hide where it came from. Now I understand they need to make money, but I know how these things go soon they see the contributors are completion and think they can fix the traffic links by just removing as many of them as possible to increases their profits.

Now I am not sure this is what?s going on, but really when you start to talk about banning ALL WM?s for a site built on content provided by them it just seems fishy. And to add to all this they are not really telling anyone what is going on they come to a WM board and say hey what do you think about us banning all WM?s. How do you think this is going to go?

Watttttttttttt ??

Maxpower, this is all part of the greater shift in traffic and affiliate programs that has been coming for a few years.

As more and more traffic sources come into play that can be purchased or traded for, traditional websites such as TGPs, galleries, free sites, blogs, etc are all become less and less relevant to some programs. They have Zangos, torrents, and tube sites to get traffic from. Much in the same way some programs were totally addicted to spam traffic, some have beecome addicted to web2.0 traffic.

What many of them are not seeing (or not caring about at this point) is how these sites are accellerating the decline of the adult business. The 1 in 200 business that in 2 years turned into a 1 in 2000 business and is rapidly heading to a 1 in 20,000 business. They are making the mistake of thinking they can support sites that give all of the product away and somehow make it up in volume.

Instead, they are killing demand for their products, and the only people left laughing are the dating, cam, and toy sites who's business doesn't change because their content can't be given away.

For them, WM are not the focus of thier business anymore.

so you only have one sponsor on your sites and no other ads to other sponsors at all ? he has a link on the page to the sponsor and the ref code would be in place to the webmasters site that would also have a link to the sponsor .... as for reposting or distributing the content dont all webmasters do that the second we download the content to put on our sites ?

Why can't the video itself be linked?

Why not just limit all videos to be no longer than 2 minutes in length... The biggest complaint is people uploading entire videos ripped off from other sites... You could then only allow "approved" submitters to post longer videos and they must be reviewed first. Or some variation of this.

What's wrong with the BangBros ones? They're only 1 minute clips (you get just as much or more on LLs and TGPs) and there's a link that leads to the site... Granted I think the link should be overlayed on the video or something like that, at least it's being done to promote the site.

The Sean Cody one.. yeah.. 7 minutes is a bit much.. no affiliate link either.

Compare it to a TGP gallery. Very few sponsors will allow you to use their content on a TGP gallery if you fill up that gallery with ads for another program and bury a small link of theirs near the bottom.

The idea behind sponsor content is that it is used to promote that sponsor.

That is also why reposting the content on a third party site is most often not allowed. Reposting content on your own site (galleries, blogs, etc) means it is being used by someone (the affiliate) who got permission to use that content. Reposting on a third party site (tubes, etc) removes it from the control of the sponsor, since the third party site is not bound to any agreements between the sponsor and the affiliate.

Can you give examples of other sites like xtube?

VoyeurWeb, RedClouds, Homeclips, Rude.com I can think of.

Yuvutu, Youporn, Pornotube, Megarotic, Shufuni, BeastTube (protip: avoid), ImageFap (images only), ImageReverb (images only), Flurl, RedTube, BadJoJo, YourFileHost, TimTube, YourPornTube, LubeYourTube (gay), etc.

But sure, we can monitor it all :disgust

Seriously, I think going with a paid webmaster model would be brilliant. Charge $20 a month, allow for text linking in the description and/or a larger banner (468x60) and reduce the amount of ads that show up near the top of the page.

I'd pay for that monthly.