Sounds like work. :)

Yeah, no problem, gimme a sec...

I bought something from amazon and it arrived BROKEN!!!!

I SECOND THIS =)

Have no idea how to do it .. but i second it. Bad list and good list has to be proven. No just throwing people under the bus to cause drama or to get yourself some more signups.

xoxo,
Megan

the only legitimate tube site is www.snizzshare.com

as far as i know. if there are legitimate tube sites that use clips longer than 30 secs that are sponsor approved, i would like to know so i don't attack them. i do know that there are some studios here in the valley that DO give their content.


and pornotube.com because its sponsor submitted. i think. i need to re look.

I had a very interesting discussion with Farley of AVN regarding adbrite. If you accept the AVN version of things, they are only leasing backend from adbrite, who provides the technology and support services to run AVNads, which I gather is suppose to be the exclusive provider for adult rated ads.

Farley described the situation as a "white label" of adbrite, and that AVN has no control over what their service provider does. He made it pretty clear that AVN is not going to walk away from this white label arrangement, I am suspecting that this has become a very profitable part of the AVN system.

I had a very productive discussion with Farley on all of these issues. However, the one thing that he came back to often (way to often in my opinion) is that "everyone is doing it, just Adbrite and AFF are more up front about it" and that most companies are profiting from torrent traffic.

From my point of view, the "all the cool kids are doing it" excuse isn't very strong. But that is where they stand and that is that.

AVN is very, very susceptible to financial pressure from the industry, IMHO. While many companies are in their back pockets, content producers are bottom line people who know the effects of torrents and the increases in losses as a result.

Someone in the Valley might want to start contacting these companies and letting them know the situation, and see if those content producers can't get on board to add pressure on these companies to stop doing business with the torrent sites.

Also, if someone has a more direct contact with Matt Cutts at Google, it might be time to start raising the issue with them as well.

id expect lawsuits if people populate the bad lists


im suprised some people havent already been sued into oblivion


kudos on wanting to do the right thing


but...be very careful

I must admit, that's a great way to phrase it.

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Can someone privide links to the bad list too, so anyone that wants to can sign up for them as well. >;-)~ HEHHEHHEHHEH

First you need to know what our business model actually is. We are a VOD company that also does Hosting. We host user generated content as well as webmaster submitted content. Now if a user submits copyrighted content we can't police our site for it nor can we moderate so says the law. If you guys are going to make a stink on here and accuse companies of being "bad" know why first.

hmmmmmmn

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt so I'm still waiting on an answer to this question:

a set of guidelines should be set up before anyone is added to a good or bad list

This can easily be done when we create a central report option on a website where people can file complaints NON ANONYMOUSLY. Complaints will be
investigated allong with proof that's submitted with the complaint. Companies
accused will be giving the option to respond and to REACT within a timeframe
before any decision will be taken regarding publishing on any list.

There will also be a dispute option where companies that have been added
to a list to dispute their listing so they can be reviewed and possibly removed
from the list when there's a valid reason todo so.

If we want to do this REALLY good we should not only restrict the terms
to advertising and marketing ethics but also with other rules which will
guarantee both companies and consumers in terms of fair trade/business
when dealing with these companies.

Things that come to mind are: value for money, billing/cancel policies, etc, etc. I guess the best to go forward is to collectively agree on what will
be included and what not.

Most important that whatever list is backed up by verifiable facts instead
of just by a club of bro's

This can easily be done when we create a central report option on a website where people can file complaints NON ANONYMOUSLY. Complaints will be
investigated allong with proof that's submitted with the complaint. Companies
accused will be giving the option to respond and to REACT within a timeframe
before any decision will be taken regarding publishing on any list.

There will also be a dispute option where companies that have been added
to a list to dispute their listing so they can be reviewed and possibly removed
from the list when there's a valid reason todo so.

If we want to do this REALLY good we should not only restrict the terms
to advertising and marketing ethics but also with other rules which will
guarantee both companies and consumers in terms of fair trade/business
when dealing with these companies.

Things that come to mind are: value for money, billing/cancel policies, etc, etc. I guess the best to go forward is to collectively agree on what will
be included and what not.

Most important that whatever list is backed up by verifiable facts instead
of just by a club of bro's

Same perhaps should go for the people who will take sitting in the organisation.

What do you think the lawsuit would say? "The defendants found my company advertising on a torrent site filled with stolen material, and with screen shots and proof, the posted about it in public?"

Are you fucking kidding?

if anything, the programs need to watch their ass because one of these days the affected affiliates will get together and sue the programs for not enforcing the terms of their contracts, causing financial harm to the affiliates by allowing disloyal competition for sales.

My prediction is that this all is going to get some ugly before the end of 2008.

Please don't get me started on you...

damn screwy gfy server

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ok, since you use analogies so loosely.

so if you drove the car in a robbery would you be a co-conspirator? i mean you didn't really rob anyone, but you're benefiting from the crime. i'm sure you wouldn't be held responsible right?


user generated content my ass. you know damn well that the content is stolen. i can't wait till the new laws seal your little loophole up and your business model shrivels and dies the death it deserves.

you too take advantage of the hard work and investments of others. hiding behind the user generated content thing means crap to people who shoot content.

how does it feel to know that the things you buy come at the expense of others?

this thread should be stickied.

i see realitycash, playboy and adult.com shit everywhere too.

lens has a stake in content theft ruining his business too.

Why can't you police or moderate your own site until after the event?

Curious

Great question. Our content comes from our users. We have:

• Public Members
• Webmasters
• Amateurs
• Advertisers
• Studios

Public Members generate the content on their own. They retain all rights to it and grant XTube certain promotion rights during the upload process.

Webmasters must register their sponsors and provide linking codes for all uploads. Webmasters are not permitted to promote the following sponsors (either by sponsor request or by XTube recommendation): Sexstuffsells.com; Traffic Cash Gold (TCG); Titan Media; AEBN; Tube-style sites such as clips4sale.com, clips.com or PornoTube.com; GameLink; AMVC.com; or other VOD/Amateur sites.

Amateurs generate the content on their own. They retain all rights to it and grant XTube certain promotion rights during the upload process.

Advertisers upload their banners for advertising. They retain all rights to it.

Studios Submit their content to XTube under contract that outlines ownership etc.

To answer the second part, do we have licensing for it - yes. It is granted to us via our terms of use or via contract.

That's exactly what I mean.....after there's a clear framework with rules
regulations etc, then we can start populating lists BOTH good and bad.
Companies that want to apply for the good list will agree with such terms
and be reviewed to verify they comply with them. And randomly being
pro-activily re-reviewed to confirm they'll keep complying to it.

:2 cents:

Kurtis: here is a challenge for you. For 24 hours, ask all your users to supply supporting documents for the content they are submitting: Model released, 2257 information, contractual permission to use, etc.

You will get none.

If you spot inspected 1 out of every 1000 user submissions, you would likely find a 100% failure rate.

Your business model is "surfers go out and steal other people's stuff, and I give them space to run it and put ads with it, and then I remove the stolen stuff only when the person who stolen it sends me a complaint in writing with all the backup documents. until then, I profit from the theft, because nobody has been arrested for theft so it must be legal".

That is EXACTLY the mentality that puts you on the bad business list.

Once again, know what your talking about. Most of our content is put out by webmasters, webmaster have permission from the affiliates to post on TGPS or where ever they say is ok. If your going to bitch like like a little girl about content being "stolen" by user and posted, why not pull your thumb out of your mouth and e-mail us so that we can take it down instead of playing the poor little victim on a board.

there are some amazing ideas in this thread.

your support is needed and appreciated.

you have a lot to learn.

the content shouldn't be there in the first place.

period. you won't win this battle "we didn't know" all you want.

i don't need to argue with you.

have a great day.

Airek I have added you to icq, chat soon

no more like...this person here publicaly organised a crusade against my company...named us in public and asked people not to do business with us.
etc etc

hey but im not a lawyer...im sure shanes world thought this through completely and consulted with their lawyers before coming onto the largest industry board and gathering people for a stoning...im sure their lawyers told them nothing would happen for getting people to point fingers and take business away from multi- million dollar companies.

On ME? You might want to back away from the implied threats thing, Josh. I have purposely stayed out of EVERY thread that had anything to do with Fleshlight out of respect. The fact that Fleshlight is on that list is due to the consensus of everyone else in this, I didn't say a damn thing about it. You do not want to tickle this dragon; keep my name out of your mouth and I'll do the same...

it's no point to debate which companies will be accepted on any list untill we
have a fixed set of rules and terms of service. The rules and terms will be
equal for everyone and every application will agree to comply with set rules.
Only then we can objectively review every company based on those criteria
and can any disputes be backed up with factual arguments.

Any accusations to whether a company will be accepted or refused makes
no sense till there's collectively approved rules and terms to which they should comply.

shane's world hasn't accused anyone of anything that wasn't proven already via screenshots and fact.

anyone else posting things were asked to post PROOF. we know how shit is done around here.

POST PROOF or be banned.

fact.

This thread got messy, but it is necessary for sure.

It's very easy to define rules regarding user uploaded content.
by screening/reviewing new content before approval.....and of course
there's always people who manage to bypass whatever you come up with.
If a site will follow up on complaints which are verifiable that's enough.

When people take swift and correct actions to valid complaints than in my
book that's no reason to punish sites for the actions of cheating users.

Valid complaint......remove content/affliate within x days after complaint...
case solved.

:2 cents:

the sheriff has spoken...lol

bm bradley formerly known as wanton

Did you lie to Wanton?

I was thinking the same thing.

You don't require all the top dogs to join in......even starting with just a few
sites you can make a difference especially when consumers will have access
to the info in terms of a consumer seal of fair business and value for money
kinda thing.....

Will it solve all these problems tomorrow......it certainly won't but it's a step
in the right direction which will gain momentum when it's executed properly.
It certainly will make a difference and gives both consumers and companies
to carefully select the people they want to do business with.

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Actually, you were the one that offered up the "First 10 names on the bad list" and you have been in just about every one of the threads involving us....keep our name out of YOUR mouth and I will keep yours out of ours

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so lets start this way

To those who think XTube is comprised entirely of ripped off content, you are only showing us you know nothing about our site. I understand that on the outside it appears to be stolen content because there is a lot of sponsor content there. What you fail to realize is what I posted before - Webmasters, like you, put it there with a referral code and sponsor name.

When it comes to content approval the law does not allow for us to monitor each upload. If we did that we would become, by definition, the provider of the content - which is completely false. We are a provider of a tool that enables people to share home-made porn.

In addition to the home-made stuff we realize that webmasters are an important part of the adult community, so we added features that allow you to post sponsor content and use your linking codes to get credit for clicks.

I have been in the content reviewers seat since the beginning of XTube and yes, there were a lot of violations posted (all removed). You people should thank me, in person, for all of the changes I have imposed on the site and the processes that have reduced the number of violations so dramatically that we have not seen a single DMCA take-down request in months.

If you find a violation on XTube there are a number of ways to report it and have it dealt with. Considering there are no reports coming in I can only believe that I am hearing the voices of people who have not taken the time to gather the facts that support their opinions. That is fine, you do not need to do that... Unless of course you want to be believed.

The problem now that many are willing to do something but most fails because
people end up in personal fights with eachother based on personal grudges
instead of a fixed set of terms and rules.......if there's an approved framework
with rules and regulations every application/complaint will be handled according
the exact same criteria....and review will verify and conclude which companies
will end up on what list.

A Better Business Bureau for the adult industry - I'm cool with that :-)

Hiya Josh!

I noticed you started ignoring the other thread after I posted proof that the sites you are continuing to advertise on are not DMCA compliant, contrary to what you said.

Any news yet? :Graucho

much safer this way

forget about good and bad lists until we collectively come up with rules and
terms of service where companies will be reviewed to. Saying you can't
join coz I once saw one of your banners on x site makes no sense coz till
we have something to judge companies on and where companies can decide
to adjust their services in order to comply to them or not.

:2 cents: djeez I'm running out of cents fast in this thread :1orglaugh