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Old 08-12-2007, 10:55 AM   #101
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Wow... way to be an ignorant tool

If you're going to post/quote "facts" like those, why don't you go ahead and posts the corresponding events that set those actions into motion? Probably because they don't suit your version of the facts. Here let me help you get started with a real easy one:

Propaganda: "1991-: U.S. forces permanently based in Saudi Arabia."

Reality: "U.S. forces flooded into Saudi Arabia in fall 1990, after Hussein's troops invaded Kuwait with intentions of continuing its push into Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia welcomed the troops, and its own forces fought to push Iraq out of Kuwait. After the war, only about 4,000 uniformed Americans--mostly Air Force members--stayed in Saudi Arabia as part of the no-fly patrol operations, and as a check against further Iraqi offensives. In 2003, the few remaining uniformed Americans left Saudi Arabia."


In other words, your "source" is either a little outdated or completely full of shit. Hmmm...
Actually you might want to do more research.Your a little off. Saddam told the USA he was going into Kuwait and why he was doing that.Since they basically didnt agree or disagree, he took that for approval.
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:56 AM   #102
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Old 08-12-2007, 12:08 PM   #103
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Nice.

I'm guessing your not the one getting phone calls at 3am every time the bombing starts in Lebanon. You see, my wife is Lebanese - as is her entire extended family (half of which live in Lebanon). I married into a family who is half Muslim. So keep your racist comments to yourself.

I don't believe that we need to "kill all of the rag heads". For some reason another race / culture / and or religion seems to be hell bent on our destruction. We need to put an end to this. They attacked us and we invaded two countries, took over their governments, and we are still occupying their countries today. What happens when the Muslim extremists attack us again? Will the US invade a third and fourth country? At this point we will have invaded most of the Middle East.

I think war should be avoided at all costs. I'm a third generation US Marine. I lost my grand father in the South Pacific fighting Japan, and my father died in Vietnam when I was nine months old. I don't want anyone to go through loosing a parent like I did.

These Muslim extemists killed three thousand innocent Americans. And it will happen again. Perhaps next time we should just take the high road and say "too bad".
I actually feel sorry for you Americans. Those you call terrorists are at least fighting against oppression. What are YOU fighting for??? Why did your father died in Vietnam? Why are Americans dyeing in Iraq and Afghanistan today?? You fight and die for people that constantly lie to you, that oppress you, who tell you what to think and who to hate. Your father died because he was told communism is bad. Americans are dyeing today because you are told Muslims are your enemy. Who will you hate and fight against tomorrow?

You hate Muslims because they attacked you in 2001? YOU HAVE BEEN ATTACKING THEM FOR 50 FUCKING YEARS!!!
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Old 08-12-2007, 12:28 PM   #104
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These Muslim extemists killed three thousand innocent Americans. And it will happen again. Perhaps next time we should just take the high road and say "too bad".
And some rising water killed 1800 people, DUIs will kill well over 10,000 people this year, and lack of preventetive medicine will kill hundreds of thousands. So why no outrage over that stuff? It just seems odd to me that people like you value the lives of those 3000 over the hundreds of thousands of other lives lost because of our inept government.

And on the same note, why are you equating everyone in the middle east to a terrorist because of what a few people did? Would that not be like equating the US military, Republican party and everyone in the state of Kansas to being a terrorist because Timothy McVeigh was?
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Old 08-12-2007, 12:41 PM   #105
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I enjoyed fighting for the very freedoms expressed in this thread. All idiots should be able to speak freely about their opinions.

Oh wait, you're Canadian... well, we fight for you too since you guys can't fight for yourselves.

God Bless America

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Old 08-12-2007, 12:42 PM   #106
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I have my differences with losers like baddog etc.... but that's all fun and games... rochard is a fucking idiot on a WHOLE new level... him and his little bitch, cock reciever stickyfingerz(btw.. what the fuck kind of name is stickyfingerz for a 30+ year old man... seriously )
Rochard is a veteran of our nations military with real life experience in warfare. If you stop and THINK (new concept) about what he wrote you will see that he makes sense. I will break it down in simple terms; if you squash it, whatever IT is, it doesn't have a chance to grow and become a thing.

There was no book on the shelf that said if 3000 US citizens are killed in a day by X turn to page 1 and follow the instructions. We were caught off guard, period. We need to be vigilant to ensure or at the very least mitigate the chance of a 9/11 happening again.

BTW - GFY does not give away XBox's anymore for the most posts in a thread so you will get nothing from this brilliant attempt at showing your lack of knowledge.

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Old 08-12-2007, 12:46 PM   #108
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We don't need to fight... we don't trample over other countries like we own the world.
When you say WE you do understand how Canada was created right? How many people died to create the country you call home? How many natives were killed, and tribes killed off so you could call this home?
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Also Sam the last time I checked a lot of Canadians were dieing in the middle east as well. What steps have you taken to stand against this. How many letters have you written to your government? How many rallies have you gone to? What have you done to try and change the stance of your own country? Besides posting on GFY?
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And some rising water killed 1800 people, DUIs will kill well over 10,000 people this year, and lack of preventetive medicine will kill hundreds of thousands. So why no outrage over that stuff? It just seems odd to me that people like you value the lives of those 3000 over the hundreds of thousands of other lives lost because of our inept government.

And on the same note, why are you equating everyone in the middle east to a terrorist because of what a few people did? Would that not be like equating the US military, Republican party and everyone in the state of Kansas to being a terrorist because Timothy McVeigh was?
Hmm cause 3000 deaths were murder, and the others were caused by nature?
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Why didn't you load it to him from that 1200 you forgot to tell your boss about until he found out about it?
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I actually feel sorry for you Americans. Those you call terrorists are at least fighting against oppression. What are YOU fighting for??? Why did your father died in Vietnam? Why are Americans dyeing in Iraq and Afghanistan today?? You fight and die for people that constantly lie to you, that oppress you, who tell you what to think and who to hate. Your father died because he was told communism is bad. Americans are dyeing today because you are told Muslims are your enemy. Who will you hate and fight against tomorrow?

You hate Muslims because they attacked you in 2001? YOU HAVE BEEN ATTACKING THEM FOR 50 FUCKING YEARS!!!
First off, I don't hate anyone.

Have we really been attacking Muslims for fifty years? So I guess our support of Afghanistan in the 1980s when they were invaded by Russia doesn't count for anything. (Ironically this led to the rise of BinLaden there.) And the fact that we supported Iraq in during it's war with Iran also didn't count.

So what your telling me is no matter what side of the arguement we take, the US is attacking Muslims?

I've never been told that "Muslims are my enemy". In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. We aren't fightin "Mulsims" in general, but rather a small handful of extremeists. Huge difference there.
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And some rising water killed 1800 people, DUIs will kill well over 10,000 people this year, and lack of preventetive medicine will kill hundreds of thousands. So why no outrage over that stuff? It just seems odd to me that people like you value the lives of those 3000 over the hundreds of thousands of other lives lost because of our inept government.

And on the same note, why are you equating everyone in the middle east to a terrorist because of what a few people did? Would that not be like equating the US military, Republican party and everyone in the state of Kansas to being a terrorist because Timothy McVeigh was?
Thousand of people die needlessly for various reasons. But if we were to fly a plane into a building in Paris, I'm pretty fucking sure the French would be pissed at us. It's not only the thousands of lives we lost on 9/11, but also the billions of dollars of damage done.

You also said.... "why are you equating everyone in the middle east to a terrorist". Jesus fucking Christ; Read what I said. I'm married to someone who has half of her family living in the Middle East.
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I don't believe that we need to "kill all of the rag heads". For some reason another race / culture / and or religion seems to be hell bent on our destruction. We need to put an end to this. They attacked us and we invaded two countries, took over their governments, and we are still occupying their countries today. What happens when the Muslim extremists attack us again? Will the US invade a third and fourth country? At this point we will have invaded most of the Middle East.


Yeah, one day they simply thought to themselves 'hey who can we pick to try out our new steal a plane and fly it into a building training program?'
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Rochard: and what does your wife think about your solution of invading the entire middle east?

wheres lebanon again?
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Thousand of people die needlessly for various reasons. But if we were to fly a plane into a building in Paris, I'm pretty fucking sure the French would be pissed at us. It's not only the thousands of lives we lost on 9/11, but also the billions of dollars of damage done.
I'm sure they would be. But why is one case considered more special than the other? Why are they both not fought with equal valor?
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Yep...no pattern here...

Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20094235/site/newsweek/

Names and nationalities of known suicide bombers in Iraq
1 Degauque, Muriel (female suicide bomber) Belgium
2 Goris, Issam (foiled bomber killed by U.S. forces) Belgium
3 al-Banghali, Abu Dujanah Bengal
4 al-Dhaleai, Wael (Wael Abdul Rahman) Britain
5 al-Masri, Abu Omar Egypt
6 al-Masri, Mahmoud Egypt
7 al-Muhajir, Abu Abdullah Egypt
8 Badjoudj, Abdelhalim France
9 Bazis, Idris France
10 al-Anizi, Ahmed (Abu Ma`az) Iraq
11 al-Ansari, Abu Basir Iraq
12 al-Ansari, Abu Hafs Iraq
13 al-Ansari, Abu Khattab Iraq
14 al-Ansari, Abu Muhammad Iraq
15 al-Ansari, Abu Musab Iraq
16 al-Ansari, Abu Uthman Iraq
17 al-Dulaymi, Widad Jamil Jasim (female suicide bomber) Iraq
18 al-Dulaymi, Abu al-Hur Iraq
19 al-Iraqi, Abu Ayoub Iraq
20 al-Iraqi, Yassin Jarrad Iraq
21 al-Jumayli, Abu Amar Iraq
22 al-Karkuki, Abdullah Iraq
23 al-Kurdi, Abdul Wahhab Iraq
24 al-Kurdi, Barwa Iraq
25 al-Najdi, Abu Umar Iraq
26 al-Shamari, Nusha Mujalli Munayfir
(female suicide bomber) Iraq
27 Marwan Abu Ubeida Iraq
28 Nassim, Fahdal Italy
29 al-Masri, Abu Farid Italy
30 Morchidi, Kamal Italy
31 Ben Amor, Mohammed Italy
32 Khalifa, Mohammed Italy
33 Rihani, Lotfi (Abdel Rahman) Italy
34 Saadi, Fadhal Italy
35 Waddani, Habib (Said) Italy
36 al-Ashqari, Ans Jamal (Abu al-Bara al-Urduni) Jordan
37 al-Banna, Raed Mansoor (Abu Radwan al-Urduni) Jordan
38 al-Urduni, Abu Sulaiman Jordan
39 Jaradad, Amer Qasim Jordan
40 al-Anizi, Rawaf Kuwait
41 al-Ajami, Khaled (Abu Al-Zubayr al-Kuwaiti) Kuwait
42 al-Hajari, Mansoor (Abu-Wadha al-Kuwaiti) Kuwait
43 al-Shamari, Abd-al-Aziz (Abu-Ahmad al-Kuwaiti) Kuwait
44 al-Subay'i, Nayif Salih (Abu-Salih al-Kuwaiti) Kuwait
45 al-Utaybi, Abdel Rahman Bin-Shuja (Abu-Awf al-Kuwaiti) Kuwait
46 Said al-Hajari (Abu-Hamza al-Kuwaiti) Kuwait
47 Khalifa, Muhammad Lebanon
48 al-Libi, Abu Abdullal Libya
49 al-Libi, Abu Bara Libya
50 al-Zayidi, Khaled Libya
51 al-Maghribi, Abu Osama Morocco
52 al-Bahili, Naser Bin Fahd (Abu Fahd) Saudi Arabia
53 al-Baqmi, Abu Zayad Saudi Arabia
54 al-Dousari, Abu Abdullah (brother of Abu Harith) Saudi Arabia
55 al-Dousari, Abu Harith Saudi Arabia
56 al-Fahmi, Suluh Salih Saudi Arabia
57 al-Falaj, Adel Bin Ali Saudi Arabia
58 al-Ghamidi, Ahmed Said Ahmed Saudi Arabia
59 al-Ghuninam, Sami Bin Sulieman Saudi Arabia
60 al-Halil, Mohammed Saudi Arabia
61 al-Harbi, Faris Abdullah Saudi Arabia
62 al-Hijazi, Abi Amama Saudi Arabia
63 al-Madani, Abu Zyad Saudi Arabia
64 al-Makki, Abu Hassan Saudi Arabia
65 al-Muhajir, Abu Azzam Saudi Arabia
66 al-Mutayri, Abu al-Walid Saudi Arabia
67 al-Mutayri, Haydarah Saudi Arabia
68 al-Mutayri, Majid Bin Sahnt Saudi Arabia
69 al-Najdi, Abu Abdel Malik Saudi Arabia
70 al-Najdi, Abu Hafs Saudi Arabia
71 al-Najdi, Abu Naim Saudi Arabia
72 al-Najdi, Abu Nur Saudi Arabia
73 al-Najdi, Abu Ubayda (Abdullah) Saudi Arabia
74 al-Qahtani, Abu Ans al-Tahami Saudi Arabia
75 al-Qarni, Abdullah al-Buhayri Saudi Arabia
76 al-Qurayshi, Abdul Rahman Saad (Abu Saad al-Makki) Saudi Arabia
77 al-Qasimi, Abu Qutaybah Saudi Arabia
78 al-Rahimi, Ahmed (or Ahmed al-Fawal Abu Hassan) Saudi Arabia
79 al-Rashid, Abdel Aziz Hamd Saudi Arabia
80 al-Rashid, Yazid Bin Qayid (Abu Juhayman) Saudi Arabia
81 al-Sa`ayri, Abu Mashari Saudi Arabia
82 al-Sarmini, Muhammad Sha`aban Abu Abdullah Saudi Arabia
83 al-Shamali, Abu-Muawiyah Saudi Arabia
84 al-Shamari, Abu Musab Saudi Arabia
85 al-Shamari, Fahd Nayef al-Shulaqi (Abu Amshi al-Shamari) Saudi Arabia
86 al-Shamari, Khaled Bin Khalaf al-Sulayti (Abu Mutib) Saudi Arabia
87 al-Shamari, Majid Salamah al-Haqs Saudi Arabia
88 al-Shamari, Muhammad Bin Rahayman al-Tawmi (Abu Salih) Saudi Arabia
89 al-Shamari, Nawaf bin Mishl Al Khalil Saudi Arabia
90 al-Shamari, Walid al-Asmar Saudi Arabia
91 al-Shayi`a, Ahmed Bin Abdullah Bin Abdel Rahman Saudi Arabia
92 al-Shukri, Salih (Abu Ibrahim al-Makki) Saudi Arabia
93 al-Tamimi, Abdelaziz Bin Saud Bin Mahmoud al-Gharbi al-Mufidi Saudi Arabia
94 al-Usaymi, Nawaf Saudi Arabia
95 al-Usaymi, Safr bin Matr Saudi Arabia
96 al-Utaybi, Azzam Turki al-Muraybadh Saudi Arabia
97 al-Utaybi, Muqrin Majid Shayb Saudi Arabia
98 al-Utaybi, Nashi Dhayb Saudi Arabia
99 al-Zahrani, Fawaz Hussein Saudi Arabia
100 Sayf al-Umma al-Mankuba (not the actual name, real name unknown) Saudi Arabia
101 al-Hijazi, Abu Hurayrah Saudi Arabia
102 al-Janoubi, Abu Dajana Saudi Arabia
103 al-Janoubi, Abu Naser Saudi Arabia
104 al-Tshady, Abu Nasser Saudi Arabia
105 Belgacem, Bellil Spain
106 Afalah, Mohammed Spain
107 Al-Sudani, Hasan Abdel Rahman Sudan
108 al-Abdo, Uruha (Abu Abdel Karim) Syria
109 al-Saraqibi, Warid al-Qudur Syria
110 al-Shami, Abu al-Walid Syria
111 al-Shami, Abu Bara Syria
112 al-Suri, Abu Umayr Syria
113 al-Suri, Abu Khaled or Abu Khaled al-Falastini Syria
114 al-Suri, Abu Muhammad Syria
115 al-Suri, Abu Ubayda Syria
116 al-Tunisi, Abu Samir Tunisia
117 al-Tunisi, Abu Tariq Tunisia
118 al-Tunisi, Ziyad Tunisia
119 al-Turki, Abu Abdullah (Azzad Akanji) Turkey
120 Umar, Abu Muhammad Turkey
121 Yigit, Ebubekir Turkey
122 Adnan, Muhammad Zayd Muhammad (Abu Umayer al-Shami) Unknown
123 al-Allawi, Abdullah Unknown
124 al-Badawi, Abu Umar Unknown
125 al-Jidawi, Abu al-Abbas Unknown
126 al-Maqdisi, Abu Zayd Unknown
127 al-Muhajir, Abu Rihana Unknown
128 al-Muhajir, Abu Thabit Unknown
129 al-Muhajir, Abu Zubayr Unknown
130 al-Nufayi, Abu al-Zubayr Unknown
131 al-Qarnamri, Hamoud `Ayad Unknown
132 al-Rumi, Fahd (Abu `Amshi) Unknown
133 al-Ruwayli, Farhan Mayes Unknown
134 al-Ruwayli, Jamil Battah Unknown
135 al-Shamari, Abdullah al-Zubai Unknown
136 al-Shamari, Abu Abd Unknown
137 al-Yemeni, Abu Jafar Yemen
138 al-Yemeni, Abu Bilal Yemen
139 al-Yemeni, al-Jarrah Yemen
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Have we really been attacking Muslims for fifty years? So I guess our support of Afghanistan in the 1980s when they were invaded by Russia doesn't count for anything. (Ironically this led to the rise of BinLaden there.) And the fact that we supported Iraq in during it's war with Iran also didn't count.

So what your telling me is no matter what side of the arguement we take, the US is attacking Muslims?

I've never been told that "Muslims are my enemy". In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. We aren't fightin "Mulsims" in general, but rather a small handful of extremeists. Huge difference there.
Well you are actually fighting Muslims from Middle East, and yes you have been oppressing and killing them for 50 years, at least. They fight each other over there but they are pretty united when facing outside enemy. If you support Israel, you oppress and kill Palestinians and for any Saudi or Lebanese or Jordan etc. it is like you are oppressing and killing themselves.

USA would have NEVER been attacked IF you didn?t support Israel. Why would they attack you? Because they hate freedom like Bush tells you? Wonder why they haven?t attacked Sweden or Norway or Japan or New Zeeland or Greece or whatever. They attacked you because you have different religion?? Again, why didn?t they attack any of the countries I counted above?
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Blame your own foreign policy over the last 60 years for 9/11 and for your troubles with muslim extremists. Every single act of terrorism against America, its interests, or its citizens you have brought upon yourselves. The chickens simply came home to roost.

Accept responsibility for the actions and policies of your government.
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1947-48: U.S. backs Palestine partition plan. Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return.

Oh really? So suddenly the US decided to create Israel and thus it was so?

Not so much. Study your fucking history already.

The first wave of Jewish immigration to Israel started in 1891, increased through out the years, and then exploded in the 1940s for the most obvious of reasons.

And because none of you understand history, you might be surpised to learn that this entire region was controled by whom prior to 1946? Not the US.... Have you ever heard of the "British Mandate of Palestine"?

Here's a nice litlle quote....
The award of the mandates was delayed as a result of the United States' suspicions regarding Britain's colonial ambitions and similar reservations held by Italy about France's intentions. France in turn refused to reach a settlement over Palestine until its own mandate in Syria became final. According to Louis,Together with the American protests against the issuance of mandates these triangular quarrels between the Italians, French, and British explain why the A mandates did not come into force until nearly four years after the signing of the Peace Treaty....
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We can debate this until we are blue in the face. All of this happened long before any of us were born. All of this seems to be because of a damn plot of land. If we could take Israel and move to - say - Cananda.... Would that really change anything? Best case their respective govenments would just fight amoung each other....
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Posting that image over and over with no response makes who the attention seeker?
Because it was resolved and nothing was ever stolen? Or are you going to say I bribed him by buying a camera that was more than what the content sale was for. Maybe there is more to the story than what little trolls on gfy are privy to?
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Actually you might want to do more research.Your a little off. Saddam told the USA he was going into Kuwait and why he was doing that.Since they basically didnt agree or disagree, he took that for approval.
Ok so how am I "a little off", Tony? At no point did I get into Saddam's reasoning for the invasion because it had absolutely nothing to do with the topic being discussed.
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Well you are actually fighting Muslims from Middle East, and yes you have been oppressing and killing them for 50 years, at least. They fight each other over there but they are pretty united when facing outside enemy. If you support Israel, you oppress and kill Palestinians and for any Saudi or Lebanese or Jordan etc. it is like you are oppressing and killing themselves.

USA would have NEVER been attacked IF you didn?t support Israel. Why would they attack you? Because they hate freedom like Bush tells you? Wonder why they haven?t attacked Sweden or Norway or Japan or New Zeeland or Greece or whatever. They attacked you because you have different religion?? Again, why didn?t they attack any of the countries I counted above?
In case you haven't noticed I'm not a huge supporter of Bush. I surely don't listen much to what he says, unless it's on Youtube when he says something utterly stupid.

Israel wasn't created by the US alone. This was pretty much the result of what happened to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis during WWII. (Note I said Nazis and not Germans, before you start bashing me for hating the Germans.) From what I understand, the largest concentration of Jews in the world at that time was in that little area of the middle east.

But you say "that land didn't belong to the Jews"? No, before then it belonged to the British. And before the British it belong to the Turks.

To answer your question about why they haven't attacked any other country..... Seems to me they attacked England also.
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Because it was resolved and nothing was ever stolen? Or are you going to say I bribed him by buying a camera that was more than what the content sale was for. Maybe there is more to the story than what little trolls on gfy are privy to?
I really don't care what went on behind the scenes as that is usually complete bs and wasn't aware you bought him a camera that is/was more valuable than the content. That actually rings a few alarm bells mind you
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Those you call terrorists are at least fighting against oppression.


What fucking comic book did you pull that bullshit out of? They aren't fighting and suicide bombing because they feel oppressed, the are doing it because some religious extremist freak told them that God wants them to kill all infidels and will reward them in heaven if they do. Does the term "jihad" ring any bells? Typical ignorant sheep, you're not even clear on the facts, you just "hate the Americans" because you think it's the "cool" thing to do...
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In case you haven't noticed I'm not a huge supporter of Bush. I surely don't listen much to what he says, unless it's on Youtube when he says something utterly stupid.

Israel wasn't created by the US alone. This was pretty much the result of what happened to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis during WWII. (Note I said Nazis and not Germans, before you start bashing me for hating the Germans.) From what I understand, the largest concentration of Jews in the world at that time was in that little area of the middle east.

But you say "that land didn't belong to the Jews"? No, before then it belonged to the British. And before the British it belong to the Turks.

To answer your question about why they haven't attacked any other country..... Seems to me they attacked England also.
They did attack UK but I don?t think UK is any better then USA in their eyes. Actually I would bet they see UK as even bigger ?evil? or ?threat? or whatever you want to call it. USA, Israel and UK are probably most hated countries in Arab world. They also attacked Spain because they had solders in Iraq. Spain has pulled their solders and they haven?t been attacked since. Also, Spain hasn?t been attacked before they sent solders to Iraq.

Yes, UK is responsible for creating Israel and Nazis definitely played their part in it. But USA helped creating Israel too. Actually, USA went in to the WWI after rich Jewish Americans made UK promise to give Palestine to Jews. But that is not important. USA is still supporting Israel, not only politically but actually arming Israel with modern weapons. Same weapons that are used to kill Palestinians.

But I really don?t expect you to agree with me. Let me ask you a question? Why do YOU think they attacked USA??
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1947-48: U.S. backs Palestine partition plan. Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return.

Oh really? So suddenly the US decided to create Israel and thus it was so?

Not so much. Study your fucking history already.

Where in that quote does it say that the US created Israel ( just quote ..).
You should read it again, and pay attention to the second part of the sentence.

I just want to point out that having a discussion with you is pointless and meaningless, because you " re-invent " what people said, or you plain don't understand.

Those years, when Israel was created, were troubled after war years; and the horrific crimes that were commited against jews simply because they were jews doesn't justify committing more crimes again there against a civil population ...
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What fucking comic book did you pull that bullshit out of? They aren't fighting and suicide bombing because they feel oppressed, the are doing it because some religious extremist freak told them that God wants them to kill all infidels and will reward them in heaven if they do. Does the term "jihad" ring any bells? Typical ignorant sheep, you're not even clear on the facts, you just "hate the Americans" because you think it's the "cool" thing to do...
Funny

So let me ask you same question I asked Rockhard. Why aren't they attacking any other country if they hate infidels so much??? Why not attack Vatican or at least Italy? Why not attack Russia? Why not attack China?

They resort to suicide bombing BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO FIGHT BACK! Do you even know ?suicide attacks? are as old as war itself? Ever heard of Japanese kamikaze fighters?

Just to educate you, the term ?Jihad? means struggle. You can have ?Jihad? on everything, from fighting against poverty or diseases to fighting against oppression. It is a synonym for ?fight against infidels? as you idiots would think
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They did attack UK but I don?t think UK is any better then USA in their eyes. Actually I would bet they see UK as even bigger ?evil? or ?threat? or whatever you want to call it. USA, Israel and UK are probably most hated countries in Arab world. They also attacked Spain because they had solders in Iraq. Spain has pulled their solders and they haven?t been attacked since. Also, Spain hasn?t been attacked before they sent solders to Iraq.

Yes, UK is responsible for creating Israel and Nazis definitely played their part in it. But USA helped creating Israel too. Actually, USA went in to the WWI after rich Jewish Americans made UK promise to give Palestine to Jews. But that is not important. USA is still supporting Israel, not only politically but actually arming Israel with modern weapons. Same weapons that are used to kill Palestinians.

But I really don?t expect you to agree with me. Let me ask you a question? Why do YOU think they attacked USA??
That's an outstanding question - and one I do not really have an answer for.

My best guess is that because the US supports Israel. If I recall correctly, the US sends more to Israel than all other countries combined on a yearly basis. (Don't quote me on this statistic, but if someone would research it that would be great!). Perhaps if we withdrew all financial aid for Israel.... Nah. That wouldn't change a damn thing at this point.

All of this points back to a single plot of land. Unless they plan on killing every Jew in Israel, nothing is gonna change.
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So let me ask you same question I asked Rockhard. Why aren't they attacking any other country if they hate infidels so much??? Why not attack Vatican or at least Italy? Why not attack Russia? Why not attack China?

They resort to suicide bombing BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO FIGHT BACK! Do you even know “suicide attacks” are as old as war itself? Ever heard of Japanese kamikaze fighters?
Are you clinically retarded? They suicide bomb so they can become Martyred. The Japanese kamikaze fighters did it for honor. Shit, learn your fucking history.

You don't think they attack other countries?! Here, let me give you A FEW quick and recent examples:


August 31, 2005: A blast near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, caused by a suicide bomber, kills ten people and injures 33.

September 1 – 3, 2005: Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia, results in 344 dead, mostly children.

July 7, 2005: London bombings – Bombs explode on one double-decker bus and three London Underground trains, killing 56 people and injuring over 700, occurring on the first day of the 31st G8 Conference. The attacks are the first suicide bombings in Western Europe.

July 21, 2005: Attempted London bombings - Small explosions in three London Underground stations and one double-decker bus. This was pronounced as a "major incident" rather than an attack, and only minor injuries were reported. These four bombs were designed to cause as much damage as the 7 July 2005 London bombings, but the explosives had deteriorated and failed to detonate.

October 1, 2005: A series of explosions occurs in resort areas of Jimabaran Beach and Kuta in Bali, Indonesia.

October 29, 2005: In Poso, Central Sulawesi (Indonesia), four Christian schoolgirls aged 15 to 17 years on their way home from school were assaulted by six masked Muslim men who beheaded three of them, Theresia Morangke, Alfita Poliwo, and Yarni Sambue, with machetes and placed their severed heads in front of a church and a police station. The fourth girl, Noviana Malewa, survived but suffered serious machete wounds. The terrorists belong to the group Tanah Runtuh whose leader Hasanuddin confessed at his trial that the well-planned assault was inspired and financed by Guru Sanusi, a former Muslim rebel (Moro Islamic Liberation Front) from Mindanao.

July 31, 2006: Two suitcase bombs are discovered in trains near the German towns of Dortmund and Koblenz, undetonated due to an assembly error. Video footage from Cologne train station, where the bombs were put on the trains, led to the arrest of two Lebanese students in Germany, ******* al-Hajdib and Jihad Hamad, and subsequently of three suspected co-conspirators in Lebanon.[144] On 1 September 2006, J&#246;rg Ziercke, head of the Bundeskriminalamt (Federal Police), reports that the suspects saw the Muhammad cartoons as an "assault by the West on Islam" and the "initial spark" for the attack, originally planned to coincide with the 2006 Football World Cup in Germany.

January-February 2007: United Kingdom letter bombs

June 29-June 30, 2007: Glasgow International Airport attack, 2007 London car bombs, 2007 UK terrorist incidents. Car bomb plot suspected Al-Qaeda. At Glasgow Airport car rams into main terminal causing minor injuries to five and setting off blaze. Explosive device caught fire instead of detonating. In London's West End attempt to set off two car bombs by suspected cell phone triggers fail. One car is towed before device is discovered in underground car park. Police link two incidents. Police find suicide notes on two suspects in London incident. Eight men arrested. One Glasgow suspect critically burned. One of the five men could be an associate of Dhiren Bharot a high level Al-Qaeda operative. Authorities say London bombs could have caused "significant loss of life". The two incidents have been linked, by police, to the same two people.

July 19, 2007: Taliban kidnap 23 South Koreans killing two execution-style and dumping their bloodied bodies by the roadside. The surviving hostages are said to be in bad health. Negotiations are underway as of August 1 involving a hostage for Taliban prisoner swap.




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Just to educate you, the term ”Jihad” means struggle. You can have “Jihad” on everything, from fighting against poverty or diseases to fighting against oppression. It is a synonym for “fight against infidels” as you idiots would think
Actually Jihad literally means "to struggle in the cause of God" though it can also be translated as "Holy Struggle". It also refers to an Islamic movement and a sectarian group.

Yeah, I understand Arabic just fine...
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Where in that quote does it say that the US created Israel ( just quote ..).
You should read it again, and pay attention to the second part of the sentence.

I just want to point out that having a discussion with you is pointless and meaningless, because you " re-invent " what people said, or you plain don't understand.

Those years, when Israel was created, were troubled after war years; and the horrific crimes that were commited against jews simply because they were jews doesn't justify committing more crimes again there against a civil population ...
Did you not read what you ripped off of some website?

Here it is again:
"1947-48: U.S. backs Palestine partition plan. Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return."

Let's break it down.
1) "US back Palenstine Partition Plan": This plan created Israel, and your implying the US approved it and thus Israel was created. What this line fails to mention is that the US fought this plan for over a decade.
2) "Israel established": It doesn't say "England created Israel, but in the context of the above quote it seems that Israel was created only because the US approved of someone else's plan.
3) "US declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return": This sounds like the US not only approved of the plan after decades of fighting against it, but then approved not allowing Palenstinians into that area. This is not the case. The US didn't really want to agree to this plan, but only did so after protesting this entire idea for many years.

I didn't pull anything out of my ass. You quoted a statement saying "US, US, US, Israel created, US, US, US".

You uneducated arm chair warriors all say "It's the US's fault". Yet not one of you understand the politics of at the close of WWII, what took place in the 1930s in this area, Or how this area was tradiationally Jewish since the 1890s.
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Or.... Maybe the entire middle east is still pissed about when Israel lashed out and kicked everyone's asses in the late 1960s......
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Let me ask you a question? Why do YOU think they attacked USA??
Actually I DO know the answer to this one (although you probably won't like it). It all started with the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait:

Following the Soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia. The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990 had put the country of Saudi Arabia and its ruling House of Saud at risk as Saudi's most valuable oil fields (Hama) were within easy striking distance of Iraqi forces in Kuwait, and Saddam's call to pan-Arab/Islamism could potentially rally internal dissent. In the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahedeen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army.

The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to request and allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy on Saudi territory. The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops, he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and on April 9, 1994 his Saudi citizenship was revoked. His family publicly disowned him. There is controversy over whether and to what extent he continued to garner support from members of his family and/or the Saudi government.

Shortly afterwards, partially because of the traditional Sunni-Shi'a rivalries, the movement that came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed...


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Did you not read what you ripped off of some website?

Here it is again:
"1947-48: U.S. backs Palestine partition plan. Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return."
Sorry, I ripped nothing off a website, because I am not the one that posted that .

I quoted one sentence, asking you to show me where it said the US created Israel.

Not only can you not do such a quote, but you are not even able to see who post what.

Pathetic false patriotic blindness....
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First off, I don't hate anyone.

Have we really been attacking Muslims for fifty years? So I guess our support of Afghanistan in the 1980s when they were invaded by Russia doesn't count for anything. (Ironically this led to the rise of BinLaden there.) And the fact that we supported Iraq in during it's war with Iran also didn't count.

So what your telling me is no matter what side of the arguement we take, the US is attacking Muslims?

I've never been told that "Muslims are my enemy". In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. We aren't fightin "Mulsims" in general, but rather a small handful of extremeists. Huge difference there.

Oh geee youve changed your tune now.

What happened to invading the entire middle east including saudi arabia?
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So let me ask you same question I asked Rockhard. Why aren't they attacking any other country if they hate infidels so much??? Why not attack Vatican or at least Italy? Why not attack Russia? Why not attack China?

They resort to suicide bombing BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO FIGHT BACK! Do you even know ?suicide attacks? are as old as war itself? Ever heard of Japanese kamikaze fighters?

Just to educate you, the term ?Jihad? means struggle. You can have ?Jihad? on everything, from fighting against poverty or diseases to fighting against oppression. It is a synonym for ?fight against infidels? as you idiots would think
wow you are true moron, pull your head in and fuck off already
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Posting that image over and over with no response makes who the attention seeker?
You.

Supporting the wrong side of this argument makes you look like an idiot george. In case you didn't notice (maybe because your head is up your ass?) sonofshmuck has run rampant all over the board this weekend posting his usual troll BS at everyone he can find to cry at. When he has nothing to come at you with he'll instead post 15 yr old pics of you over and over, same old shit he did last year, and the year before that. He does this on the weekend because during the week he is too busy attending school to get his GED and working his evening shift at the McDrivethru.

Then he comes here and cocks off at a US war vet and a respected member of this business in his spare time whilst having himself admitted that he has no adult biz-related interests whatsoever and has obviously shown that he has no clue about worldly issues other than calling anyone whoo disagrees with his sweeping judgements as "cocksmoker" and "fag"

And you're sitting there wondering who is crying for attention?

Get a clue.

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Sorry, I ripped nothing off a website, because I am not the one that posted that .

I quoted one sentence, asking you to show me where it said the US created Israel.

Not only can you not do such a quote, but you are not even able to see who post what.

Pathetic false patriotic blindness....
And I showed you.... Your statement said "US, US, US, created Israel, US, US, US" but failed to mention any of the facts or any of the other countries involved. I broke it down in three very simple parts. Not my fault you failed to graduate from high school.
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Thats true...

or is it?
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Old 08-12-2007, 04:57 PM   #146
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Oh geee youve changed your tune now.

What happened to invading the entire middle east including saudi arabia?
No, I'm not changing my tune. I don't hate anyone or any race. I don't believe that any race or nationality is any better than anyone else.

But at this point I don't see many options. If the US faces an attack on the scale of 9/11 again... What are we going to do? Invade Iran? I'm sure the plans are already drawn up.

I mean, Iran's President there is already threatening the entire Jewish race with destruction. Doesn't this sound familar? Been here, done that, tried appeasement, and still got sucked in.

The root of the problem seems to be Saudi Arabia. This is were the extremists came from, this their primary recruiting ground, and this is where the bulk of their funding (seems) to come from. What we need is a President who will go th Saudi Arabia and say "If this happens again and people from your country are involved, we are invading in order to prevent future attacks". I understand that governments usually don't operate like this, and I understand that the government of Saudi Abrabia might not have any connection to any of this. But they are the only ones who can prevent this from happening, and they don't seem to be stopping it.
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Thats true...

or is it?
Depends on if there is pictures of the said event or not.
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Actually I DO know the answer to this one (although you probably won't like it). It all started with the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait:

Following the Soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia. The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990 had put the country of Saudi Arabia and its ruling House of Saud at risk as Saudi's most valuable oil fields (Hama) were within easy striking distance of Iraqi forces in Kuwait, and Saddam's call to pan-Arab/Islamism could potentially rally internal dissent. In the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahedeen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army.

The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to request and allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy on Saudi territory. The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops, he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and on April 9, 1994 his Saudi citizenship was revoked. His family publicly disowned him. There is controversy over whether and to what extent he continued to garner support from members of his family and/or the Saudi government.

Shortly afterwards, partially because of the traditional Sunni-Shi'a rivalries, the movement that came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed...
That's a rather interesting statement. Where did you get that from? I've never heard of this before.

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Want to guess who attacked the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001?
Sonofsam?
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How is it even possible that none of you have had a reaction to this horrifying image posted in this thread?

How many times have you vomited? Nightmares?
Shouldn't he be locked up or something for this sort of insanity?
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