Adbrite / AVN ads sending hitbot traffic, fake clicks, SCAM? - GoFuckYourself.com

squizzel · 07-21-2007, 12:50 AM

This was posted on another webmaster forum from a guy named Godius (famous for building dumpalink.com and now runs slutload.com - this guy has a great deal of respect and integrity) Here is what he said:

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Default AVNADS Sending Fake Hits/Signups???

Ive been trying AVNADS on a few different websites, and i've chosen their Interstitials option to advertise.

They deliver a vast amount of hits in a very short time span, and their visitors seem to like my sign up pages a lot.

But what I discovered is that 90% of the signups do not actually use their accounts. They result in 0 user views per account.

Then I decided to build a CODE protection where people have to enter a certain code given on an image to prove they aren?t a computer signing up. The signups dropped with 90%, and all users who did sign up, also used their account.

I have had this on two different websites now... I personally think they have some kind of hitbot sending the hits.
Also Alexa didn?t show ANY changes when I received 75.000 extra hits per to my websites. Which is basically DOUBLE of what I have normally!

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edit: just wrote to avnads, and asked them to explain all this. Also said it was posted on a large webmaster forum. Ill let you guys know what they write back.

pr0 · 07-21-2007, 01:01 AM

this is an extremely wreckless post to be making on a major webmaster board

this could very easily be a rouge webmaster sending them bot traffic through AVN's system

rumors like this leave you looking like an asshole at the end of the day

Turboface · 07-21-2007, 01:21 AM

AVNAds is guilty of many things, but I seriously do not believe that they are sending bot traffic to their customers.

squizzel · 07-21-2007, 01:43 AM

its not me, i am just reporting what i have seen. Im not going to name the forum. Against site t.o.s?

But this thread has a shitload of replies with people seeming to believe it.

Can we get an AVN ads response on this?

chupacabra · 07-21-2007, 01:45 AM

unlikely, but wouldn't surprise or shock me considering the ads of theirs i see all over torrent sites. if they feed off that scum, who's to say they might not be hitbotting shitheels to boot..?

squizzel · 07-21-2007, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

this is an extremely wreckless post to be making on a major webmaster board

this could very easily be a rouge webmaster sending them bot traffic through AVN's system

rumors like this leave you looking like an asshole at the end of the day

How do u send bot traffic through someone elses system? and why would u want to do that? to ruin a companies reputation?

dev777 · 07-21-2007, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by squizzel

this guy has a great deal of respect and integrity)

lol

Nathan · 07-21-2007, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squizzel

How do u send bot traffic through someone elses system? and why would u want to do that? to ruin a companies reputation?

AVNAds is a broker, they sell ads on site A, but them on site B... thus.. site B uses hitbot traffic to fake clicks so that AVN pays them lots of money... site A receives that traffic

squizzel · 07-21-2007, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

AVNAds is a broker, they sell ads on site A, but them on site B... thus.. site B uses hitbot traffic to fake clicks so that AVN pays them lots of money... site A receives that traffic

But it still means an avn advertiser gets screwed?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-21-2007, 03:02 AM

Why do all that and un-indate the surfer with a loggin? Ask the surfer to type something is will definatly reduce any kind of stat yer looking for.

Why not use a cookie silly?
Or even check Unique IP logs on the server for the image views or page views?

Trax · 07-21-2007, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by squizzel

i
Can we get an AVN ads response on this?

are you fucking retarded
what response are you looking for

no
or
yes, we're sorry

even if they were sending fake traffic... do you think they would admit it
jesus, get a clue

squizzel · 07-21-2007, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trax

are you fucking retarded
what response are you looking for

no
or
yes, we're sorry

even if they were sending fake traffic... do you think they would admit it
jesus, get a clue

Well if there is proof then they need to explain.

rowan · 07-21-2007, 03:35 AM

Hitbots now automatically sign up as well?

maddox · 07-21-2007, 03:46 AM

You only now discovered this?? I don't know AVN Ads but ADBRITE is sending 80% of hitbot traffic, I know because I run a mainstream pay per click search engine and there were many affiliates who tried to send that shitty traffic, they were immediately banned when we discovered what the traffic was lol

Due · 07-21-2007, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan

Hitbots now automatically sign up as well?

Yes ofcourse, this is not 1999 anymore

I sell you cheap hitbot from china and RU, good for trade sites.
Or expensive hitbot from USA and Canada, good for signups.
Minimum order is 200000 hitbots, convertions may fluctuate based on the price you pay

pr0 · 07-21-2007, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squizzel

How do u send bot traffic through someone elses system? and why would u want to do that? to ruin a companies reputation?

no actually people send people like YOU...to spread rumors, to discredit a company

and its getting fucking old...quit playing dumb

Jarmusch · 07-21-2007, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Due

Yes ofcourse, this is not 1999 anymore

I sell you cheap hitbot from china and RU, good for trade sites.
Or expensive hitbot from USA and Canada, good for signups.
Minimum order is 200000 hitbots, convertions may fluctuate based on the price you pay

do you have hitbots that signup with a credit card?

ztik · 07-21-2007, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

this is an extremely wreckless post to be making on a major webmaster board

this could very easily be a rouge webmaster sending them bot traffic through AVN's system

rumors like this leave you looking like an asshole at the end of the day

Its a known that Adbrite sends bots and click fraud.

I don't think its internal though, its more of that their fraud protecting sucks and their affiliates are sending the clicks.

davethetruth · 07-21-2007, 02:51 PM

I recently spent around 1k and didn't see any sales from it that I could tell.

I didn't really dig to deep either, but I could tell it wasn't worth the money for our retail stuff.

squizzel · 07-21-2007, 07:13 PM

interesting? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

tical · 07-21-2007, 07:18 PM

as a broker they should be held responsible for this, they are getting a comission for brokering the deal right? aren't brokers supposed to ensure things go smoothly?

commonsense · 07-21-2007, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tical

as a broker they should be held responsible for this, they are getting a comission for brokering the deal right? aren't brokers supposed to ensure things go smoothly?

Most adult "brokers" collect the money, and run the other way and hide when shit goes bad. Or close shop and open up a new company

IllTestYourGirls · 07-21-2007, 08:00 PM

i stopped using them on my sites. one of their ads was redirecting traffic to their site without anyone very clicking the banner.

woj · 07-21-2007, 08:10 PM

wow, 2 traffic broker drama threads on gfy in one week... this has gotta be a gfy first

warlock5 · 07-21-2007, 09:34 PM

If you don't log ip address, time, and referring URL for every single click of paid traffic you need to go back to being an employee. There is fraudulent traffic on Adbrite, there is fraudulent traffic on Yahoo, and nearly every other company I have purchased from. All data must be logged and questionable clicks must be forwarded to the provider for a refund. Most credible companies will credit your account within a few days.

So is AVNAds and Adbrite sending fake traffic? You bet. Traffic fraud is a massive problem across every ad network, the only company I've never had problems with is Google. But that doesn't mean you can't get a refund. The top tier networks are very much interested in clearing the scammers out of their systems.

squizzel · 07-22-2007, 12:44 PM

bump......

xmas13 · 07-22-2007, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warlock5

So is AVNAds and Adbrite sending fake traffic? You bet. Traffic fraud is a massive problem across every ad network, the only company I've never had problems with is Google. But that doesn't mean you can't get a refund. The top tier networks are very much interested in clearing the scammers out of their systems.

Google not sending crappy traffic through their AdSense publishers? Dude, please give me a break, i can't believe that you ever advertised with AdWords

AVNads_KevinW · 07-24-2007, 12:05 PM

Hello GFY,

I have contacted the advertiser directly to get more information on the situation.

Please contact me with questions?

07-21-2007, 01:01 AM	#2
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07-21-2007, 01:21 AM	#3
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07-21-2007, 01:43 AM	#4
squizzel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 900	its not me, i am just reporting what i have seen. Im not going to name the forum. Against site t.o.s? But this thread has a shitload of replies with people seeming to believe it. Can we get an AVN ads response on this? Last edited by squizzel; 07-21-2007 at 01:46 AM..

07-21-2007, 01:45 AM	#5
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	unlikely, but wouldn't surprise or shock me considering the ads of theirs i see all over torrent sites. if they feed off that scum, who's to say they might not be hitbotting shitheels to boot..? __________________ ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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07-21-2007, 03:35 AM	#13
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Hitbots now automatically sign up as well?

07-21-2007, 03:46 AM	#14
maddox Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 648	You only now discovered this?? I don't know AVN Ads but ADBRITE is sending 80% of hitbot traffic, I know because I run a mainstream pay per click search engine and there were many affiliates who tried to send that shitty traffic, they were immediately banned when we discovered what the traffic was lol

07-21-2007, 02:51 PM	#19
davethetruth Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,806	I recently spent around 1k and didn't see any sales from it that I could tell. I didn't really dig to deep either, but I could tell it wasn't worth the money for our retail stuff. __________________ Rainbow Revenue- The BEST Gay Conversions New Sex Toy Affiliate Program! Get $10.00 Just For Joining! Choose from two Sex Toy Stores to promote: BedroomSports- Since 1998 - Now New & Improved! VibratorWarehouse- New Site with Excellent Conversions!

07-21-2007, 07:13 PM	#20
squizzel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 900	interesting? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

07-21-2007, 07:18 PM	#21
tical Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,504	as a broker they should be held responsible for this, they are getting a comission for brokering the deal right? aren't brokers supposed to ensure things go smoothly? __________________ 112.020.756

07-21-2007, 08:00 PM	#23
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	i stopped using them on my sites. one of their ads was redirecting traffic to their site without anyone very clicking the banner. __________________

07-21-2007, 08:10 PM	#24
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07-21-2007, 09:34 PM	#25
warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	If you don't log ip address, time, and referring URL for every single click of paid traffic you need to go back to being an employee. There is fraudulent traffic on Adbrite, there is fraudulent traffic on Yahoo, and nearly every other company I have purchased from. All data must be logged and questionable clicks must be forwarded to the provider for a refund. Most credible companies will credit your account within a few days. So is AVNAds and Adbrite sending fake traffic? You bet. Traffic fraud is a massive problem across every ad network, the only company I've never had problems with is Google. But that doesn't mean you can't get a refund. The top tier networks are very much interested in clearing the scammers out of their systems.

07-22-2007, 12:44 PM	#26
squizzel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 900	bump......

07-24-2007, 12:05 PM	#28
AVNads_KevinW Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Francisco Posts: 90	Hello GFY, I have contacted the advertiser directly to get more information on the situation. Please contact me with questions? __________________ Kevin Weatherman Email : [email protected] AIM : BlackLabelAds ICQ : 445-868-291 BlackLabelAds offers Text Links, Banners, Interstitials and In Video Ads, Paid on a CPC, CPM and Flat Rate.