Why to execute him. He is totally harmless lunatic.

All I'm asking is that you think before you criticize.


THINK.


If you're just criticizing but not offering any viable alternatives, then your opinion is useless. Doing nothing is often the worst thing one can do in these situations. GW is at least a guy who takes action, I'll give him that much. Thankfully most American presidents have been doers rather than wimps.

who's Chumpsky? His name is Noam Chomsky, he is American, more American than many of people here and professor of linguistics at MIT. You see his latest attempt to show to people the propaganda of media had the impact you see now. I would recommend that we should not judge people who's work is not familiar to us.

anyway,i'm not going to change anyones mind,i have better things to do. You can believe whatever you want, but when you reffer to events you should give the facts too.

That is correct.

Hell, you really cannot say a word these days about US politics without getting flamed. Is it such a sore point to Americans? I'm sorry if it is.

Well you should get your government to assemble your military and go help them out!

Or should the US do it so you have something to complain about later when a few innocent people get killed?

Yes mr Soul rebel,
but again I remind you to......

"Think about it.... if he was shouting, preaching and rambling on so loudly AGAINST marxism and against the communistic platforms, how long do you think he'd be safe in those countries? Fact is he'd have had his fucking head cut off long ago. See the difference? Please, this chumpsky argument is really quite lame. Rose has this one nailed for once."

Chomsky is allowed to speak his opinions and his doctrine freely here. He is allowed to criticize the USA freely, because in the USA and Canada you are free to do so. Is my point so hard to grasp? Once you see it you'll soon see the irony of it all.

Mika..... I am Canadian.

I simply see things as they are, not through the slants and twists of those that want to place a negative light on everything good than anyone or any country does.

mika,
I could careless what you or anyone else says about Americans, or our government.
The arguement is weather we should remove Saddam nothing more. You can say what you like. I just read it and pass on by. No harm, no foul. We all respect your freedom of thought, and speach. My fellow Americans complain about the government, I can take it. lol

At least I'm interested in US politics, which, REMEMBER, is FOREIGN politics to me. I wonder how many Americans are interested in European politics. Can you honestly say you're following EU politics?

If you wish, I can just shut the fuck up, but then again it would be just Americans talking to each other after a while ;))

Take it ez ;)

No no i don't disagree with you on this. Anyway, I try to avoid political discussions in this board. :-) Even someone is bullshiter he has the right to talk and the rest can judge ;-)

Communist-Chomsky is a great defender of Cuba, which has not been bombed and has not suffered a war, but is poorer today than it was more than forty years ago when Castro took power. In 1959, Cuba was the second richest country in Latin America. Now it is the second poorest just before Haiti. Naturally, Chomskyites will claim that the U.S. economic boycott is responsible. But the whole rest of the world trades with Cuba. Cuba not only trades with all of Latin America and Europe, but receives aid from the latter. Moreover, in the 70s and 80s, the Soviet Union gave Cuba the equivalent of three Marshall Plans in economic subsidies and assistance -- tens of billions of dollars. Cuba is a fertile island with a tropical climate. It is poor because it has followed Chomsky?s examples, and not America?s. It is poor because it is socialist, Marxist and Communist. It is poor because it is run by a lunatic and sadist. It is poor because in Cuba, America lost the Cold War. The poverty of Cuba is what Chomsky?s vision and political commitments would create for the entire world.

Jesus F Christ man....

Do you think maybe a few million Americans "took an interest" during WW II when they (along with Canadians, Brits, etc etc) came over there, fought and in many cases died? Do you think we "took an interest" when we sent forces and aid over to Kosovo? What about WW I??? How many Canadians & Americans died fighting for principles in EU then??

Jeez louise, I just got through asking you people to THINK.

I'm nearly shitting my pants this is so funny....

From the same guy who said.... "If you are putting forth and glorifying the preachings of people like Chomsky, then you have branded yourself a commie. "

Are you at some point going to follow through with any of your claims?!?

Once again, I am posting the COMPLETE CHOMSKY ARCHIVE and I am waiting for you to follow through with your knowledgable statements. Shoe me some information that points to him being a "commie" Are you actually aware what a communist is? Man, this isn't a game and it isn't funny anymore. I am embarassed I lowered myself into a pissing match with you.

At first I though you were seriously interested in debating points of merit...obviously I was wrong to assume such grand vision could eminate from someone within a province whose chief export is now the West Nile virus.

mika,
As a matter of fact I try to watch SkyNews, and the BBC whenever I can. I am quit interested in all points of view concerning wold polotics. For the record I don't want to see the US rush into anything without it being thought out completely. Which I think they are doing.

So please by all means post your thoughts. I am interested, even if I don't agree with every thing you think or say.

Chris

Also, why is it that people from EU think that we only get one news channel in the US? There's dozens of news channels. Not to mention CSPAN, which is our government in session.

Cd why don't you calm down a little? I agree with most things you have said. I'm not into pissing match here, especially not with a man who only seems to separate the "criticism" out of my posts.

Well, start shitting your pants then, because you have now shown yourself to be a buffoon to boot. Why? Because it WAS YOU that accused me first of labelling you as a commie, which I didn't by the way. I suspected it, but never came out and said it.

So, YOU say that I branded you a commie, and then I went ahead and pointed out that you showed <i>yourself</i> to be one, not I.

And it's not secret that chumpsky is a huge supporter of communistic platforms and principles and politik. Da! Politik!

So be ashamed all you want. In every debate/argument there is a winner and a loser.

I am debating you, and on a message board at that, so continually asking me to calm down is, well.... dumb. I'm about the calmest person I know, very easy going guy. Do you see me asking anyone to "calm down"?? No? That's because I take it as it comes, and if someone wants to flip their lid here, I say let em.


And yes, I pick out the parts of your posts that speak to me of being inaccurate or out to lunch, and so far there's plenty for me to pick out.

As I said I am not gonna waste my time searching the net.
I know enough about him. I red enough of his "work"

Chomsky is a hypocritical moron

He is a medicocre social scientist who has managed to build quite a little empire by finding a wellspring of pathetic people who like being told that the moon is made of green cheese.

Finding out that this unrepentant socialist is actually quite the lover of capitalist luxury is no surprise to those who understand Chomksy's type. BTW he loves his yachts and Audis.


And yes Chomsky does make you think. In my case, after reading a Chomsky piece, I usually think something like, "What a fucking hypocritical moron."

Let me tell you something, capitalism exists near everywhere. Some people still believe that USA is an equation of the capitalistic system. Crap, wrong. Travel abroad and you'll see that capitalism is EVERYWHERE.

I don't say people in Cuba are in good condition. No they are not. But I can easily say the same for million Americans. Million americans live under bad conditions and wars every day due to a stupid president doesn't help them. If you are one time capitalist in mind, i'm 100 times. Believe me, but this doesnt make me blind. I'm glad I live in a country that although the average income is way below the american, the canadian etc I know for fact very few (near none) people are homeless and they starve. And yes we have capitalism here too.

anyway,that's enough for today. :)

Ok I guess I acted exactly the same way.
To be honest, I agree to a large extent with you.
I only PICKED UP the part where you said that US goes out to help people in other countries. If you insist, that it is the main reason of US actions, then you're not realistic IMO.

Asking you to calm down, was like suggesting, take it ez, we don't have a debate here because we only slightly disagree.


As far as the original topic of the thread is concerned, I voted "never". I could be totally wrong. Who knows?
I think that if Iraq gets some kind of deal going with UN, it will be a political suicide for USA to go on offensive. Thus my vote "never".

:glugglug

AGAIN....these pants are getting soiled as the laughs continue to come...

"Noam Chomsky is one of America's most prominent political dissidents. A renowned professor of linguistics at MIT, he has authored over 30 political books dissecting such issues as U.S. interventionism in the developing world, the political economy of human rights and the propaganda role of corporate media. "

Most MIT professors are pretty medicore. What institution do you teach at?

Again.... like you said, there is a winner and a loser to every argument and I just won. You couldn't refute one fact, err or statement you made.

That my friend, is a verdict not even a judge from the lowly Manitoba Supreme Court could fuck up.

Exactly!

It baffles me whenever I see this argument being tossed around here. In Canada we not only get ALL the US newscasts (ABC, NBC, CBS etc), but we get our own excellent newshours as well, like Global, CBC, CTV and many others, plus international newscasts too.


It's just a stupid useless side criticizm that is usually thrown at us when they know they can't win the argument. Accent on stupid.

STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP


the Americans stopped discussing on this topic and only Canadians and Europeans left doing it..We are crazy. Im outttttt

No it's the fact that Europeans are far more civilized and actually watch other programs on TV than football, Baywatch and CNN ;)

My friend I think you are confused and not just about your clown chomsky. I am not from Manitoba.

Yup. now i believe both of you.. The moon is made of green cheese AND This war isn't about oil.

Sheeeeeiiiit. I blew that line. Well ya got me. I was a little confused...hey I still have my sense of humor.

I have a question for those asking after such places as Sudan, Somalia and the like...

Should the US run in there and fight with them... Now look closely here, these so called Warlords have shoulder fired arms, bits of artillery and things like that...
We ARE but one country here and can't fight 25 fronts at a time without drafting all the available males in the USA...



OR, should we go after someone who has SOPHISTICATED weaponry such as chemicals, germs and possibly more?

Your choice... do you want the US to step on bugs or take out the one laying the eggs?

I work with well over 200 people, most of which are under 24 or so, never even FIRED a gun. let alone been shot at. They are FULL of ideas... all of which are so stupid that they aren't worth the air it takes to expel them.

I see the same clouding of issues here. As CD said, we tried to HELP in Somalia... we got shot to pieces... what did we do? Backed out when if you have ANY clue in your heads... you know we could have leveled that country. Who in H*LL made it OUR freaking job to clean up the messes that everyone else starts?!?!

Ridley Scott presents... BLACK HAWK DOWN

It makes me laugh when revisionists use pop culture to rewrite history.

That's great:Graucho

I think it was only me asking after those places. Now CD already said that at least they tried to go to Somalia, which was good. And I agreed to that.

However, stating that USA primarily wants to intervene just help people in other countries is a false statement IMO.

If you agree, we have no debate here

Here we go... the gist of the leftist argument. We should all be helped by the government! Why doesn't your government PAY the poor so they don't starve!! How come everyone isn't paid equally??!! There should be no rich and no poor, only middle class for everyone!!!

HA

Soul, my point is that people here are free to become ultra-successful or ultra poor. It is their choice. Even if I lost my house, family, income, everything, rest assured I would get back on my feet in time. And my argument to you is, why is it the government's responsibility to go above and beyond what it already offers?..... Welfare, funded programs, job-retraining programs, food banks, funded soup kitchens etc etc etc. In a trulycapitalistic society people are free to change their lives, or not.

And I am glad that I live in such a country. Many other countries of the world are still trying to adopt certain communistic principles and ways of thinking, yet they complain that USA and Canada have everything so easy etc. It's bullshit. Communism simply doesn't work, this fact has been proven out over and over.

I doubt he has the majority support from Congress or the Senate much less the rest of the world! Hope he doesn't try something where it's just the US and no one else. I don't believe it's the right time. Of course there is NO right time when it comes to terrorism. It feels lonely at the top...............:(

not even dubya is foolish enough to start something on 9/11 -- if it does go through it will be after for sure. why even question it. if he does something on 9/11 then hes a bigger jackass than i thought. dont forget, those speeches last year were NOT written by him, but by someone else, so they shouldnt jack his popularity up at all..

If you think that then you know less than shit about North Americans. At least the ones I know, and they all watch and learn from various news sources daily.

And baywatch was over like 5 years ago. We don't even get reruns showing here right now.

How many ;)))))))))))))'s do you need to see that I may not be so fucking serious here?

What happens when a big Porn company online tries to police this industry?

Everyone attacks him.

Nobody likes to think there's somebody better then them.
And thats how most countries feel now.

they got nukes and we attack we are fucked:helpme

i said i wont post, but i'm doing it :p

Communism doesnt work of course and i dont like communism as I don't like communists. What I'm saying is that capitalism is everywhere and you're doing bad to equate it only with canada and usa reffering it as a short of priviledge. Also Im saying a war will be against the common good of the average american and there are far more important things that the political games a dumb president wants to play.

Why would I want to refute my own statements?

ha ha, idiot. You are beginning to debate like Kman. You are getting rather arrogant and snotty with me now, aren't you?

Come look down your nose at me. And bro, I don't see you supporting the shit you're spewing either. Tell me why turning a blind eye on a crisis waiting to happen like Saddam is a good thing. C'mon, tell me. I'm waiting, oh great Vancouver boy.

Hey, you want to bring attitude into this, so be it. I'm up for anything.

Mika... I don't agree with what you perceive as why we get in to these things. Just pray that your country never has to put out that call for help. :)

After all... your country has no oil correct?! :winkwink:

Lots of oil.
It's imported from Iraq, though, so DO NOT MESS with Iraq :1orglaugh

Nonsensical analogy at best. This industry is governed by local laws as well as certain US and international laws. Criminal acts on the net have proven to have serious consequences for webmasters that choose to flout the rules of basic right and wrong.


I was equating your local community with the world community, and in this regard it is similar. Case in point: When all those countries under siege were calling out for help to the world, whom do you think they were calling to? The USA of course. The only country that has the might and the sense of duty to act.


Letting Iraq go on thumb-nosing the US weapons inspectors, letting them stockpile deadly gasses, chemicals, germs and possibly nukes, is about the dumbest thing we as a free people can do. Turning a blind eye is just plain nuts, and WILL (quote me on this) come back to bite the whole world in the ass if we do it. The time for positive action to rid the world of this threat Saddam poses has been long-overdue. As Gem said, do we keep stepping on the bugs or do we crush the head of the serpent?

Hey! Anyone have any ice cream?! We're all out. :(

their nukes cant get us man

U.S has plenty of Oil we Just never wanted to tap our own resources. Long term advantage

Hear me out. I'm calling you a fuckstick. BUT THAT IS THE LAST TIME I WILL INSULT YOU. The arguments have turned rather infantile at certain times and I want it to stop.

From here on out we will continue to debate like normal adults. Furthermore, I will allow you to continue to speak to me as long as you acknowledge that I have won the argument.

LOL! Dude.... the point is still mine. the war is about oil. Are you denying that?

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