Michael Moore Responds to CNN's claims that he "Fudged the Facts"

[wil_I_Am]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/ne...icle_10017.php

Will CNN apologize? hahahha

Michael Moore kind of blew his top on Wolf's show, and acted like a loon, but the fact that he was able to substantiate the facts afterwards is pretty cool.

[wil_I_Am]

For anyone who's interested.. the follow-up interview on Larry King Live:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/56569/

[emjay]

just watching the CNN interview now https://youtube.com/watch?v=ekpyD43JTZE

[TheSenator]

sanjay gupta is so funny.

[Red Ezra]

Didi anyone watch the larry King live Part 2 when they were face to face?

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Michael Moore

CNN: "But no matter how much Moore fudged the facts, and he did fudge some facts?"

* This is libel. There is not a single fact that is "fudged" in the film. No one has proven a single fact in the film wrong. We expect CNN to correct their mistakes on the air and to apologize to their viewers.

Sounds like fighting words to me.

CNN will issue a correction or I think there's gonna be a lawsuit.

[pocketkangaroo]

The face-to-face was interesting and Gupta is a good interviewee. The fact that Moore still claims healthcare is free hurts his argument. Gupta kept asking him about that statement and Moore couldn't respond except to say it is free.

[Tom_PM]

Gupta claimed that by moore saying health care was "free" in those other countries, that only the more sophisticated viewers would know they were paid by taxes.

Let me tell you something, children who go to public school in the united states get a FREE education! Why? Because taxes pay for it! Doesnt that mean it costs something? YES Idiot! Then it's not free right? YES it's FREE because it's already paid for by your fucking TAXESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

If Gupta is saying it takes anything more than a 3rd grade education to figure that out, he has a damn LOW opinion of the intelligence of the population! Par for the course for mainstream media sadly. I wanted to jump through my tv and holler in his face when he spewed that crap.


Ahh that felt good.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

The face-to-face was interesting and Gupta is a good interviewee. The fact that Moore still claims healthcare is free hurts his argument. Gupta kept asking him about that statement and Moore couldn't respond except to say it is free.

Well it's free in the sense that driving on the interstate highway is free and sending your kids to public school is free, and dialing 911 when you need the fire department or police department is free.

Yes it's funded by taxes but there is no payment at the point of service.

[xlogger]

Moote is a fat fuck! He needs to hit the gym and stop eating all those burgers. Sanjay gupta ftwww.

[xlogger]

edit: Moore not Moote, lol

Originally Posted by Lenny2

Well it's free in the sense that driving on the interstate highway is free and sending your kids to public school is free, and dialing 911 when you need the fire department or police department is free.

Yes it's funded by taxes but there is no payment at the point of service.

Thats like saying credit cards are free because there is no payment at the point of service.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by xlogger

Thats like saying credit cards are free because there is no payment at the point of service.

Actually, it's not like saying that at all. When you use a credit card you will be expected to pay the company back for the money that you borrowed. Where as with taxes you pay the money up front and for that you are provided with whatever the government decides to give you.

Further, one could live off the grid and not pay any taxes and still take advantage of all the things that the taxes pay for.

Sure nothing is free, but when you are dealing with public services we say they are free because it is not us who pay the bill for them, even though it is us who collectively pay for them.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

Well it's free in the sense that driving on the interstate highway is free and sending your kids to public school is free, and dialing 911 when you need the fire department or police department is free.

Yes it's funded by taxes but there is no payment at the point of service.

I just think Moore pays to the lower class in these interviews. He doesn't point out that most of us would have to take a signifigant tax increase to pay for national healthcare. The lower class won't have to deal with it since they don't pay taxes.

[hollinator]

I hate Michael Moore - I've never seen anyone twist facts to further his own cause more than him. Anyone can edit video and sound bites and he's a master manipulator. He will tell only part of a story as has been evidenced before if it means making himself a ton of money.

Has anyone read the 'attempted' interview by people who used to be Michael Moore fans? Quite interesting stuff - he's such an ass...

[Brad]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I just think Moore pays to the lower class in these interviews. He doesn't point out that most of us would have to take a signifigant tax increase to pay for national healthcare. The lower class won't have to deal with it since they don't pay taxes.

Well, I guess you didn't hear the part where they said in the US per capita spending on health care is very high in comparison to places with a socialized system. So you could easily do it while maintaining the same taxes.

Or...your government could stop spending billions a day on the war and use that money to you know...actually benefit the people funding it.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by hollinator

I hate Michael Moore - I've never seen anyone twist facts to further his own cause more than him. Anyone can edit video and sound bites and he's a master manipulator. He will tell only part of a story as has been evidenced before if it means making himself a ton of money.

Has anyone read the 'attempted' interview by people who used to be Michael Moore fans? Quite interesting stuff - he's such an ass...

I'm going to plagiarize myself because it seems fitting after reading this post:

He is fighting the good fight for truth and equality. It surprises me that so many people dislike him when he is the one putting his neck on the line just to improve the American way of life. Who cares what he looks like or what he eats or who he fucks (or doesn't fuck), he has a good message and has been more than effective in communicating it.

In that video he is right to criticize CNN and the other mainstream media outlets (on TV) for presenting the American people with biased reporting that people take as fact. We all know that these networks cater to the advertisers, and that is just not correct. The news should be the news, present the story and the associated facts and move on, allow the public to decide what side they are on, and if they can not then they can watch or read an editorial about it.

To all who dislike him...we get it, you think he's fat and trying to ruin your fun. Unfortunately, that just isn't the case. He is trying to improve your country and hold your leaders accountable for the decisions that they make. The US government has been about big business for a long time now, it is time to give the power back to the people who keep your country and economy strong...you. Wake up and listen to the people who are telling you that everything is not perfect.

[Peaches]

Anyone who thinks socialized medicine is "free" probably thinks they're getting "extra money" when they get a check back after they file their taxes.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by xlogger

Moote is a fat fuck! He needs to hit the gym and stop eating all those burgers. Sanjay gupta ftwww.

Why do you think he's trying to get us free healthcare..

[Brad]

Originally Posted by crockett

Why do you think he's trying to get us free healthcare..

I'd say probably because he cares a lot more about the state that your country is in than your "elected" president.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I just think Moore pays to the lower class in these interviews. He doesn't point out that most of us would have to take a signifigant tax increase to pay for national healthcare. The lower class won't have to deal with it since they don't pay taxes.

I honestly don't think it would be as big of a hit on taxes as so many complain.. In regards to how much you pay out overall. Sure your taxes might go up, however you would no longer be paying for health insurance. You would no longer have to pay a deductible for your health care or for meds.

Auto insurance would be cheaper, because it would no longer require personal health insurance. Medications would be cheaper like they are in places like Canada and the UK ect ect. In fact everything in regards to the current health system would be cheaper.

So over all you wouldn't pay more out of your pocket, it would likely be much less.. However you would pay more than you do currently in taxes, but like I said, overall you would likely pay less.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad

I'd say probably because he cares a lot more about the state that your country is in than your "elected" president.

you have heard of sarcasm haven't yea? and btw I didn't elect my president I got suck with him.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by hollinator

I hate Michael Moore - I've never seen anyone twist facts to further his own cause more than him. Anyone can edit video and sound bites and he's a master manipulator. He will tell only part of a story as has been evidenced before if it means making himself a ton of money.

Has anyone read the 'attempted' interview by people who used to be Michael Moore fans? Quite interesting stuff - he's such an ass...

You got to be fucking kidding me right? I can name at least 10 right wing scumbags that are on the radio or tv at least 5 days a week,that MM doesnt come close to.
My Mom is a republican and never saw a MM movie went to see Sicko and she said we need more people like him that question the system.Also the movie isnt about free healthcare its about people who have insurance getting fucked by their insurance company.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by crockett

I honestly don't think it would be as big of a hit on taxes as so many complain.. In regards to how much you pay out overall. Sure your taxes might go up, however you would no longer be paying for health insurance. You would no longer have to pay a deductible for your health care or for meds.

Auto insurance would be cheaper, because it would no longer require personal health insurance. Medications would be cheaper like they are in places like Canada and the UK ect ect. In fact everything in regards to the current health system would be cheaper.

So over all you wouldn't pay more out of your pocket, it would likely be much less.. However you would pay more than you do currently in taxes, but like I said, overall you would likely pay less.

It wouldnt be ,thats the scare tactic they use.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by hollinator

I hate Michael Moore - I've never seen anyone twist facts to further his own cause more than him. Anyone can edit video and sound bites and he's a master manipulator. He will tell only part of a story as has been evidenced before if it means making himself a ton of money.

Has anyone read the 'attempted' interview by people who used to be Michael Moore fans? Quite interesting stuff - he's such an ass...

Lubs Holly hehe.

Did anyone notice what Wolf was gently pointing out in the interview?

He ignored ALL their requests for interviews.. What OH what could NOW be his motivation to appear? Hmmmmm its certainly a brain buster....

BAH!! BAH!! round em up, round em into the lefty corral!

[tony286]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Lubs Holly hehe.

Did anyone notice what Wolf was gently pointing out in the interview?

He ignored ALL their requests for interviews.. What OH what could NOW be his motivation to appear? Hmmmmm its certainly a brain buster....

BAH!! BAH!! round em up, round em into the lefty corral!

oh stop, why go on to get attacked? Your very sad.

[LiveDose]

Michael Moron is so Desert Storm...

[tranza]

Boy Alley posted it yesterday, but thanks anyway.

[aico]

Originally Posted by hollinator

I hate Michael Moore - I've never seen anyone twist facts to further his own cause more than him. Anyone can edit video and sound bites and he's a master manipulator. He will tell only part of a story as has been evidenced before if it means making himself a ton of money.

Has anyone read the 'attempted' interview by people who used to be Michael Moore fans? Quite interesting stuff - he's such an ass...

brainwashed much?

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I just think Moore pays to the lower class in these interviews. He doesn't point out that most of us would have to take a signifigant tax increase to pay for national healthcare. The lower class won't have to deal with it since they don't pay taxes.

The lower class doesn't have to deal with it now either, since they're provided health insurance via medicaid.
The people getting fucked over by the current system are the middle class, who get whatever care their HMO decides to give them.
Under a national system the vast majority of us would pay less via the tax increase than we currently pay in premiums, deductibles, and copays.

All of that being said, I don't think we should get hung up on little things like the words Moore uses to describe something. The real question is should we have universal, single payer health care, and my answer to that question is yes.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Lenny2

The lower class doesn't have to deal with it now either, since they're provided health insurance via medicaid.
The people getting fucked over by the current system are the middle class, who get whatever care their HMO decides to give them.
Under a national system the vast majority of us would pay less via the tax increase than we currently pay in premiums, deductibles, and copays.

All of that being said, I don't think we should get hung up on little things like the words Moore uses to describe something. The real question is should we have universal, single payer health care, and my answer to that question is yes.

My vote for Lenny for president.

[hollinator]

Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad

I'm going to plagiarize myself because it seems fitting after reading this post:

He is fighting the good fight for truth and equality. It surprises me that so many people dislike him when he is the one putting his neck on the line just to improve the American way of life. Who cares what he looks like or what he eats or who he fucks (or doesn't fuck), he has a good message and has been more than effective in communicating it.

In that video he is right to criticize CNN and the other mainstream media outlets (on TV) for presenting the American people with biased reporting that people take as fact. We all know that these networks cater to the advertisers, and that is just not correct. The news should be the news, present the story and the associated facts and move on, allow the public to decide what side they are on, and if they can not then they can watch or read an editorial about it.

To all who dislike him...we get it, you think he's fat and trying to ruin your fun. Unfortunately, that just isn't the case. He is trying to improve your country and hold your leaders accountable for the decisions that they make. The US government has been about big business for a long time now, it is time to give the power back to the people who keep your country and economy strong...you. Wake up and listen to the people who are telling you that everything is not perfect.

OH PLEASE.... He's still a self serving son-of-a-bitch... He's not trying to improve anything but his bank account... We all know everything is not perfect, we don't need someone like Michael Moore twisting things to serve his own purpose.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by tony404

oh stop, why go on to get attacked? Your very sad.

at least , sticky didn't post a picture of himself ....

When his wife lose her health coverage thru her job, you will see a shittywhinner about the cost of healthcare....

[hollinator]

Originally Posted by aico

brainwashed much?

What does that mean??? Just because I don't like him and see through his bullshit?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by hollinator

OH PLEASE.... He's still a self serving son-of-a-bitch... He's not trying to improve anything but his bank account... We all know everything is not perfect, we don't need someone like Michael Moore twisting things to serve his own purpose.

and oreilly or hannity or rush or savage or boortz or coulter dont? Are you high?

[hollinator]

Originally Posted by tony404

You got to be fucking kidding me right? I can name at least 10 right wing scumbags that are on the radio or tv at least 5 days a week,that MM doesnt come close to.
My Mom is a republican and never saw a MM movie went to see Sicko and she said we need more people like him that question the system.Also the movie isnt about free healthcare its about people who have insurance getting fucked by their insurance company.

I was talking about Michael Moore himself, not the movie. And I am not republican. I am allowed to have my own opinion, last I checked we are still a free country here, right?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

at least , sticky didn't post a picture of himself ....

When his wife lose her health coverage thru her job, you will see a shittywhinner about the cost of healthcare....

You are so right. The right wing wouldnt except him anyway being a househusband is considered very liberal. lol

[stev0]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

The face-to-face was interesting and Gupta is a good interviewee. The fact that Moore still claims healthcare is free hurts his argument. Gupta kept asking him about that statement and Moore couldn't respond except to say it is free.

You don't think about the taxes when you think about driving on a paved street, obeying red lights so you don't crash, getting your mail delivered, watching the cops arrest a bank robber, having the fire department put out your burning house, and other essential parts of society. People consider all of these free, they're not receiving a bill for it.

Health care is just as important, yet people cry about the small tax hike. However spending hundreds of billions on invading another country on little more than a hunch is barely questioned. Those are pretty fucked up priorities.

[hollinator]

Originally Posted by tony404

and oreilly or hannity or rush or savage or boortz or coulter dont? Are you high?

Didn't say they weren't, but we're not talking about them in this thread, are we?

[aico]

Originally Posted by hollinator

What does that mean??? Just because I don't like him and see through his bullshit?

Please, name some of his bullshit. Would love to see what facts of Sicko you dispute. Probably haven't even seen the movie and are going off of what someone told you.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by hollinator

I was talking about Michael Moore himself, not the movie. And I am not republican. I am allowed to have my own opinion, last I checked we are still a free country here, right?

Oh stop lol Your saying talking points if you actually watched his stuff and read him you would know what your saying is so far from the truth.

[hollinator]

Originally Posted by tony404

Oh stop lol Your saying talking points if you actually watched his stuff and read him you would know what your saying is so far from the truth.

That makes no sense, and I have seen his stuff and read both sides on several issues he's raised - you obviously have not. You have only seen or heard what you want, just like the rest... Try doing a little research about the 'bad' Michael Moore then tell me what you think. He's not perfect and should not be placed on a pedistal as many have done.

[hollinator]

Originally Posted by aico

Please, name some of his bullshit. Would love to see what facts of Sicko you dispute. Probably haven't even seen the movie and are going off of what someone told you.

Was not talking about Sicko, was referring to him in general - again, free country, my own opinion. You don't have to like it

[aico]

Originally Posted by hollinator

Was not talking about Sicko, was referring to him in general - again, free country, my own opinion. You don't have to like it

and like I said: brainwashed much?

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by hollinator

I hate Michael Moore - I've never seen anyone twist facts to further his own cause more than him. Anyone can edit video and sound bites and he's a master manipulator. He will tell only part of a story as has been evidenced before if it means making himself a ton of money.

Has anyone read the 'attempted' interview by people who used to be Michael Moore fans? Quite interesting stuff - he's such an ass...

Please show me were he twisted facts

[Peaches]

Why does everyone keep bringing up HMOs? You are aware there are other insurance policies, right? Off the top of my head: PPOs, major medical, hospital/surgical only...and I'm sure there are more.

I was watching a portion of Sicko about the chick all upset because her ambulance ride wasn't covered because it had to be "preapproved" and obviously she wasn't in a position to do that. I checked MY policy. It also says "preapproved" but says the HOSPITAL has 48 hours to get that "preapproval" AFTER the ambulance ride. If the HOSPITAL doesn't get the approval then because of the contract they have with my insurance company, the HOSPITAL is responsible for not doing what they agreed to do per the contract with my insurance company and the HOSPITAL eats the bill/pays the independent company, not me. I know this is true because it happened back in 2000 when I had a bleeding ulcer - hospital didn't get the emergency stuff in on time so instead of me paying 20%, I paid 0%.

Granted, I don't know everything that happened to the chick when she contacted the insurance company, hospital, ambulance company, etc. but obviously there's two sides to that story. But whatever benefits she gets are written out by the insurance company so she shouldn't have waited until she got a bill to find out the specifics of her coverage.

Again, for those of you who think private insurance is a rip off, insure yourselves. Put the money you'd spend on premiums into an interest bearing account and use the money to pay your medical bills as they come. Most of you won't do that because you KNOW insurance usually pays out more than you pay in - those evil, horrible companies ;)

[hollinator]

Originally Posted by aico

and like I said: brainwashed much?

Having my own opinion means I'm brainwashed? Ummm, ok

[tony286]

Originally Posted by hollinator

That makes no sense, and I have seen his stuff and read both sides on several issues he's raised - you obviously have not. You have only seen or heard what you want, just like the rest... Try doing a little research about the 'bad' Michael Moore then tell me what you think. He's not perfect and should not be placed on a pedistal as many have done.

No you havent because if you had you wouldnt make that statement. Did nt say he was perfect but to make a blanket statement that everything out of his mouth is a lie isnt truth not even close.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad

I'm going to plagiarize myself because it seems fitting after reading this post:

He is fighting the good fight for truth and equality. It surprises me that so many people dislike him when he is the one putting his neck on the line just to improve the American way of life. Who cares what he looks like or what he eats or who he fucks (or doesn't fuck), he has a good message and has been more than effective in communicating it.

In that video he is right to criticize CNN and the other mainstream media outlets (on TV) for presenting the American people with biased reporting that people take as fact. We all know that these networks cater to the advertisers, and that is just not correct. The news should be the news, present the story and the associated facts and move on, allow the public to decide what side they are on, and if they can not then they can watch or read an editorial about it.

To all who dislike him...we get it, you think he's fat and trying to ruin your fun. Unfortunately, that just isn't the case. He is trying to improve your country and hold your leaders accountable for the decisions that they make. The US government has been about big business for a long time now, it is time to give the power back to the people who keep your country and economy strong...you. Wake up and listen to the people who are telling you that everything is not perfect.

[hollinator]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Please show me were he twisted facts

Do some research - I did. I will not post it here, but trust me, there is plenty of proof out there on how this man opperates. There are some very interesting websites out there that give you a different pointof view on Michael Moore and may allow you to see both sides...

[aico]

Originally Posted by Peaches

Again, for those of you who think private insurance is a rip off, insure yourselves. Put the money you'd spend on premiums into an interest bearing account and use the money to pay your medical bills as they come. Most of you won't do that because you KNOW insurance usually pays out more than you pay in - those evil, horrible companies ;)

LOL, that's one of the most retarded statement I have ever read. Are 10,000's of other people going to put their money into our investment too?