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Fap · 07-06-2007, 10:15 PM

CDSmith · 07-06-2007, 10:17 PM

I've said my piece on this in at least 6 other threads on this board alone.

I simply don't have the strength to dredge it all up again. Sorry.

tony286 · 07-06-2007, 10:18 PM

Just a FYI when people go out of their way to attack someone, its usally a clear indicator that person is pretty close to the truth. over 2000 hours a week of right wing bullshit and mm is the devil.

notabook · 07-06-2007, 10:18 PM

I really can't stand the guy for the most part, but as long as he is getting people talking about issues I really can't "hate" him. I can't "love" him either though.

Libertine · 07-06-2007, 10:18 PM

I neither love him nor hate him. He delivers extremely biased documentaries, with some plain bullshit thrown in, but at times he does raise important issues. That, and his documentaries tend to be fairly entertaining and well-made.

teg0 · 07-06-2007, 10:22 PM

his films aren't documentaries. but i love him. I almost wish Sicko wasn't made by him because a lot of people who don't like him will just disregard the message of the film just because its made by him.

tony286 · 07-06-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by teg0

his films aren't documentaries. but i love him. I almost wish Sicko wasn't made by him because a lot of people who don't like him will just disregard the message of the film just because its made by him.

What do you think a documentary is ? Its showing your view point to the world.Nothing is neutral thats bullshit fox made up as a tag line.

Libertine · 07-06-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by teg0

his films aren't documentaries.

Ehm, yes they are. Where did you wacky Americans get the idea that documentaries were supposed to be objective and unbiased?

Fap · 07-06-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Just a FYI when people go out of their way to attack someone, its usally a clear indicator that person is pretty close to the truth. over 2000 hours a week of right wing bullshit and mm is the devil.

And what does he base his career off of? Attacking people whether it be bush or heston

notabook · 07-06-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Ehm, yes they are. Where did you wacky Americans get the idea that documentaries were supposed to be objective and unbiased?

Fox News, the only source for fair and balanced news, of course.

Fap · 07-06-2007, 10:33 PM

i STRONGLY recommend people watch what i posted.

Porn Farmer · 07-06-2007, 10:34 PM

Those who consistently state that Moore's films are not documentaries are idiots and have obviously never studied film. All documentaries are subjective and all of them take a point of view. This idea of the 'objective' documentary is ludicrous.

You may have issues with his point of view, the way he presents his information or even the veracity of some of it, but that does not mean his films are not documentaries.

Those who think that documentaries are supposed to be 'objective' can you please direct me to an "objective" documentary about a topic that involves human beings?

Fap · 07-06-2007, 10:39 PM

watch the videos people.

notabook · 07-06-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by banthis

i STRONGLY recommend people watch what i posted.

Watching Michael Moore Hates America ain't going to happen. The narrator has the worst voice I've ever heard.. I mean, not in a 'nails on chalkboard way' or 'it sounds like a cement mixer' way. It's just too damn soothing. It's like listening to somebody fluff a pillow for hours. It's better than watching the NASA channel when you really need to get to sleep fast. I'll try watching the other one now but if the narrator of that film sounds like the one in MMHA, it just ain't happening.

edit: OMFG this guy in the red shirt in 6 degrees has a voice that IS like nails on a chalkboard... jesus christ.

Libertine · 07-06-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by banthis

watch the videos people.

No. And stop repeating yourself - we get your point. You want us to watch the videos.

Fap · 07-06-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by notabook

Watching Michael Moore Hates America ain't going to happen. The narrator has the worst voice I've ever heard.. I mean, not in a 'nails on chalkboard way' or 'it sounds like a cement mixer' way. It's just too damn soothing. It's like listening to somebody fluff a pillow for hours. It's better than watching the NASA channel when you really need to get to sleep fast. I'll try watching the other one now but if the narrator of that film sounds like the one in MMHA, it just ain't happening.

edit: OMFG this guy in the red shirt in 6 degrees has a voice that IS like nails on a chalkboard... jesus christ.

ok yeah they dont have the greatest voices haha but they give the facts.
they both have great points. try to get past the ugly

J. Falcon · 07-06-2007, 10:46 PM

This should turn into another sweet 6 pager

Fap · 07-06-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

No. And stop repeating yourself - we get your point. You want us to watch the videos.

Damn right.

J. Falcon · 07-06-2007, 10:48 PM

Fuck your videos

notabook · 07-06-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by banthis

ok yeah they dont have the greatest voices haha but they give the facts.
they both have great points. try to get past the ugly

ROFL.. actually trying to watch the "6 degree" movie, the redneck voices in this movie are nearly unbearable. Anyways, I?m up to part 2 and they are 'debunking' that cartoon from bowling from columbine (the one with the talking bullet). In the cartoon it says that white people exterminated a race of people (referring to Native Americans).

Then this little stupid fucking ?thought bubble? pops up and goes "The Native American race was not wiped out. 4 million natives remain." HAHAHAHAHA? man, this shit is too good. Why even include that thought bubble? What purpose could that purposely serve? ?Native Americans were not wiped out. Only most of them were, so it?s ok.? would have been better? hahahahaha!

J. Falcon · 07-06-2007, 10:58 PM

Anyone who speaks out against the atrocities committed by the American government "Hates America"

Porn Farmer · 07-06-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by banthis

but they give the facts.

J. Falcon · 07-06-2007, 11:01 PM

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-06-2007, 11:07 PM

I've been reading, listening to, and watching Michael Moore since before he started making award-winning movies. He is bright, witty and creative, and he is passionately political.

What the right wing calls the liberal media in this country, is actually pretty middle of the road in my view, since they mostly are about showing both (or even more) sides of an issue journalism, which is what the Fourth Estate (the press) is supposedly about in a democracy.

Fox News and similar right wing / religious media outlets which outrageously claim that they are "fair and balanced" are nothing close to what they proclaim to be.

Yes, Michael Moore is a shameless liberal. So what? In a democracy, we should have tolerance for his viewpoints, and even for positions further to the left than his.

The current Republi-Crat "big money" big-business/military industrial run political system is the anti-thesis of democracy. Practically every other industrialized nation that practices democracy has a parlimentary system that allows minority parties actual politicial representation (even governments/nations which we helped create such as Germany, Japan, Israel, and even Iraq).

Yet in the USA, we have this antiquated political system that primarily serves mostly those whom can afford to pay for (or basically buy) elections, and then call it a democracy. The Republicans and Democrats are basically two sides of the same coin.

What we have is not a democratic system, but orchestrated political theater designed to alienate, placate and sedate a nation of people that have been made to feel powerless to cause real change.

When Ross Perot ran for President he hurt the Republicans. When Ralph Nader ran, he hurt the Democrats. Yet in a parlimentary system, each of their parties (the Reform Party and Green Party respectively), would have instead gained minority seats and then forced concessions from the people they were most closely aligned with in order to form a majority coalition. Their ideas for change would have been heard.

Over time their ideas could gain further acceptance, and real change could happen. Instead we are taught the lesson that to vote for a third party challenger is a wasted vote or helps our biggest opponent. We are in serious need of real political reform, if not revolution in this country.

The most powerful scene for me in "Sicko" is where Amercians living in France had gathered to meet and speak about the differences they noted in the two systems. They indicated that in France, the government is afraid of the people, which is why they act primarily to please/appease the people, whereas in the US, people fear the government.

I applaud the efforts of Michael Moore and others whom are willing to travel a difficult path to effect real change in this country, because the old style is clearly failing us...

ADG

notabook · 07-06-2007, 11:07 PM

Had to stop watching towards the end of part two of 6 degrees. The redneck voices are far too annoying and most of the stuff that the film tries to "peg as lies" is just plain silly, stuff that isn't relevant or otherwise isn?t important. In that little cartoon of Moore?s ?thought bubbles? pop up like 10 times each with a bit of info that doesn?t serve anything. During one of the cartoon scenes it shows a boat going to Africa, picking up slaves, and bringing them back to America to be sold then a thought bubble pops up saying ?Many slaves were sold to American traders from their own tribe chiefs? And Africans themselves enslaved each other for years. Slave trade was worldwide?.

That lovely history tip is great and all, but how is it proving Moore a liar or being deceitful? Is it being deceitful by not including 45 minutes worth of information in regards to the history of slavery in your two hour long film?

uno · 07-06-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by notabook

Fox News, the only source for fair and balanced news, of course.

Didn't fox news, on its website, give his movie a glowing review?

notabook · 07-06-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

Didn't fox news, on its website, give his movie a glowing review?

Of course! That's their fair and balanced approach! On their actual programming though it was looked at quite differently. In fact that handsome man Neil Cavuto says that if we ever adopt a universal healthcare system, who was discussing the idea of universal healthcare because of Sicko, we'll need a huge influx of doctors (because ours will all leave) and muslim doctors will come to take their place and kill all of us on the operating table. See? Fair and balanced!

Fap · 07-06-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

Didn't fox news, on its website, give his movie a glowing review?

indeed, they praised sicko

Libertine · 07-06-2007, 11:17 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273875,00.html

Interesting.

GreyWolf · 07-06-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I've been reading, listening to, and watching Michael Moore since before he started making award-winning movies. He is bright, witty and creative, and he is passionately political.

Yup - he's a interesting character with substance, irrespective of any political label screwed on him in the US and has plenty to offer. He's a movie director with a social conscious and is successful in getting people to think or discuss thru his work. Pity there are not more people angled towards that in their own fields of expertise.

The Fat Man would prob be good company over a few cases of beer

2012 · 07-07-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon

the more they stay the same...

will76 · 07-07-2007, 08:46 AM

I hate him. But I hate rush limbaugh as well. They are both full of shit and twist everything to fit their view point, very biased people who think they are right 100% of the time.

I would love to lock the two of them in a small room together.

JP513 · 07-07-2007, 12:12 PM

I like his in your face style and respect his BALLS in challenging the system.

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07-06-2007, 10:15 PM	#1
Fap Just Du It Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,094	Your Thoughts on Michael Moore What are your thoughts? I am just curious.. I never liked him personally and both these give reasons why: 6 Degrees from Truth (he is funny looking, but has a good documentary) Part 1 https://youtube.com/watch?v=q50ApLXqo4E Part 2 https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rh0a7y511T8 Part 3 https://youtube.com/watch?v=zI_AYZHmQDc Part 4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=-rCnRp_MffI Part 5 https://youtube.com/watch?v=e4qtxNxD7Dw Part 6 https://youtube.com/watch?v=ITsBnXu0sms Part 7 https://youtube.com/watch?v=C76-l1GkTXM Part 8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=EAeHbEjGScg Michael Moore Hates America (another one to get the point across) Part 1 https://youtube.com/watch?v=LFt8cDg-sFo Part 2 https://youtube.com/watch?v=SVJU8lyWCog Part 3 https://youtube.com/watch?v=F6JYxTfdLVw Part 4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=VqDDQ16koGs Part 5 https://youtube.com/watch?v=6EYEk9BVJAM Part 6 https://youtube.com/watch?v=67nOJcxmhU0 Part 7 https://youtube.com/watch?v=lPQ9qHsqDx0 Part 8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=UGn5UGIRLFw Part 9 https://youtube.com/watch?v=gtvXE3763Lc Part 10 https://youtube.com/watch?v=3Cxvp0TACT0

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notabook Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Not a Library! Posts: 9,748	I really can't stand the guy for the most part, but as long as he is getting people talking about issues I really can't "hate" him. I can't "love" him either though. __________________

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Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	I neither love him nor hate him. He delivers extremely biased documentaries, with some plain bullshit thrown in, but at times he does raise important issues. That, and his documentaries tend to be fairly entertaining and well-made. __________________ /(bb\|[^b]{2})/

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Just a FYI when people go out of their way to attack someone, its usally a clear indicator that person is pretty close to the truth. over 2000 hours a week of right wing bullshit and mm is the devil.

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teg0 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gringo in Puerto Rico Posts: 4,204	his films aren't documentaries. but i love him. I almost wish Sicko wasn't made by him because a lot of people who don't like him will just disregard the message of the film just because its made by him.

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Porn Farmer Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 928	Those who consistently state that Moore's films are not documentaries are idiots and have obviously never studied film. All documentaries are subjective and all of them take a point of view. This idea of the 'objective' documentary is ludicrous. You may have issues with his point of view, the way he presents his information or even the veracity of some of it, but that does not mean his films are not documentaries. Those who think that documentaries are supposed to be 'objective' can you please direct me to an "objective" documentary about a topic that involves human beings?

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	I've been reading, listening to, and watching Michael Moore since before he started making award-winning movies. He is bright, witty and creative, and he is passionately political. What the right wing calls the liberal media in this country, is actually pretty middle of the road in my view, since they mostly are about showing both (or even more) sides of an issue journalism, which is what the Fourth Estate (the press) is supposedly about in a democracy. Fox News and similar right wing / religious media outlets which outrageously claim that they are "fair and balanced" are nothing close to what they proclaim to be. Yes, Michael Moore is a shameless liberal. So what? In a democracy, we should have tolerance for his viewpoints, and even for positions further to the left than his. The current Republi-Crat "big money" big-business/military industrial run political system is the anti-thesis of democracy. Practically every other industrialized nation that practices democracy has a parlimentary system that allows minority parties actual politicial representation (even governments/nations which we helped create such as Germany, Japan, Israel, and even Iraq). Yet in the USA, we have this antiquated political system that primarily serves mostly those whom can afford to pay for (or basically buy) elections, and then call it a democracy. The Republicans and Democrats are basically two sides of the same coin. What we have is not a democratic system, but orchestrated political theater designed to alienate, placate and sedate a nation of people that have been made to feel powerless to cause real change. When Ross Perot ran for President he hurt the Republicans. When Ralph Nader ran, he hurt the Democrats. Yet in a parlimentary system, each of their parties (the Reform Party and Green Party respectively), would have instead gained minority seats and then forced concessions from the people they were most closely aligned with in order to form a majority coalition. Their ideas for change would have been heard. Over time their ideas could gain further acceptance, and real change could happen. Instead we are taught the lesson that to vote for a third party challenger is a wasted vote or helps our biggest opponent. We are in serious need of real political reform, if not revolution in this country. The most powerful scene for me in "Sicko" is where Amercians living in France had gathered to meet and speak about the differences they noted in the two systems. They indicated that in France, the government is afraid of the people, which is why they act primarily to please/appease the people, whereas in the US, people fear the government. I applaud the efforts of Michael Moore and others whom are willing to travel a difficult path to effect real change in this country, because the old style is clearly failing us... ADG __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

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JP513 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: The Republic of Barebackistan Posts: 1,914	I like his in your face style and respect his BALLS in challenging the system.