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REAL Chinese Shaolin Monks vs. Gracie BJJ students...Who would win?
I'm watching a documentary on some Shaolin Monks and they're doing some incredible shit. Breaking shit with their hands and heads and having things broken on their hands and heads...
I don't think that some American white bread Kung Fu student could beat the Gracies but what about these REAL muthafuckas from China? They're no joke. I'm about to study BJJ under this dude in the fall in Milwaukee when I move there to be with my children. http://www.henrymatamoros.com/home.html I hope he's good.
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And I would really like to hear Dig420's answer on this since he takes it with the Gracies.
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the little Shaolin Monks all the way
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If the monks don't practise full contact fighting with grappling, throwing, holds etc then I would say definitiely not
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If it goes to the groud, shaolin monks would be no match. They would get subbed in seconds.
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Shaolin Monks use energy attacks.
They could fuck you up with one hit. And of course they don't fight. They practice Kung Fu to condition their body and mind. |
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thats their problem they dont know how to react in a contact fight. all they know is theory so i dont know who would win
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Is this no holds bar? No rules? Anything goes?
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These threads remind me of when I was a kid hearing arguments; who's dad was better; who's tougher, a navy seal or green beret; batman would kick spiderman's ass....blah blah blah.
Ultimately, who the fuck cares? They both have their strengths and weaknesses. And until there's evidence ( like actual matches between the two ), what's the point to speculate?
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How could we know.. we never seen any of them fighting... Or killing someone with one sneaky blow...
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depends on the fighter, nothing more
ive seen a army ranger kick the shit out of a bjj instructor shit happens, who cares?
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BJJ was tested out in the streets long ago. Ask Henry Matamoros who was taught by Pedro Sauer who was taught by Rickson Gracie(Undeafed NHB in history).
A striker has a knock out punch chance but it is very unlikey to knock out someone. Knocking out someone is really hard to do. BJJ is more practical in all aspects of fighting. BTW the monks know Jiu-Jitsu, Boxing, Wrestling, Lethal Blows, Weapon use and many other forms of combat. My bet is BJJ over Shaolin Monks in the middle of the woods with no weapons.
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Watch some video of BJJ versus a master of Karate.
http://www.menastudios.com/bjj/bjj.html You can hear the lethal blows of karate being thrown to no avail. BJJ vs Kung Fu Master http://www.menastudios.com/bjj/bjj1.html You can hear his bone snap
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Watch this video and thell me if you still thiuk they dont know how to react in a contact fight. |
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If the shaolin monk gets a good hit on one of the pressure points his enemy the fight would be over quickly.
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all martial arts originated from china, and yes my bets on the shaolin monks
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Anyone who aswered anything other than the Gracies watches too much kung fu theater on saturday.
Style vs style has been answered from UFC 1 through 4. Grappling beats striking 9 out of 10 times. Fast forward to the present, MMA beats grappling 9 times out of 10. Damn old ass thread.
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The guy who knows how to kick someone's ass wins.
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This has been tested many times. Kung Fu does not stand up at all in real combat. That is why you never see them in any of the inter disciplinary fighting events. Back in the 70's they sent some people to the event in Japan and being more of a striking competition back then they did very poorly. No reason to think they would do better now.
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I was hoping for the utube vid.
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All i know is you are another wannabe.
All these fags see these dudes greeced up on TV and suddenly want to be mr tough guy. It is the same shit as the "FAST ANDE THE FURIOUS" movies, after the movie all these dorks go speeding out of the parking lot. "I'm about to study BJJ under this dude in the fall in Milwaukee when I move there to be with my children." why are you suddenly studying? are you gonna give yourself a cool nickname and tell guys in bar fights you are MMA. YOU GO TOUGH GUY! you will have to cut back on the fried chicken. |
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Most of that shit is fake - boards are already presplit etc, they use the same stuff in TKD schools, and even if you really can break stuff with your head, it's not likely to help. I'm not gonna stand there and let you headbutt me to death hehe A funny clip I saw once had a guy doing leaping kicks to break boards. He missed the board and hit the guy's hand instead, the board came down and landed on the guy's head and broke cleanly in half lolz |
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lol I am so trollable with these threads, I love them. Even when they're two years old.
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There is a million ways to get in shape and some of these guys just think they can jump in and become some expert because they see some guys on TV doing it. If that earns your respect then that is fine but it does not earn mine. i am not hating on the sport i am hating on the people that come along and treat it like pilates. |
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My bet is on the Monks
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Didn't martial arts in fact originate in india? And were carried to china by chinese ambassadors?
Oh well. lame ass thread for the most part |
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Doesn't really matter if it earns your respect now, it will command your respect if you ever run into it or get the sack to try it yourself. |
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Because what I saw was grappling and wrestling help Sean Sherk win. In fact the only thing Franca could do is get a knee in at the beginning of each round and then lay on his back totally helpless for the rest of the round. I think that no style is more dominant than any other, it all comes down to what strategy a fighter chooses to use given his opponents strengths. Personally if I was fighting against a standup guy, I'd take him to the ground so that he would be out of his element and not fighting the fight that he prepared for. In my opinion that is how most of the good all around fighters fight with a few exceptions.
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You have to know bjj to fight bjj, and if you haven't spent a lot of time learning how to keep standing up, you're gonna go down. BJJ is most definitely the most important fighting art even to MMA guys, and they all learn it so that they can effectively work against it and impose thier own style, but first they have to deal with the BJJ issue. |
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I don't think I've ever seen a real fight fought fairly. There are always more people involved, or weapons, or whatever. Martial arts pretty much all serve the same purpose... to get in shape.
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Because if you did, train, you would have seen a wrestler aka grappler, who have the best top dominant positions in the game, out BJJ a BJJ Blackbelt. There are a few styles in MMA, BJJ is one of the universals, which 99% of MMA fighters train in. Anyways, your post would not exist if you go back to my original post, the last part said... "MMA beat a grappler 9 times out of 10". Quote:
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yeah people keep saying that, but all the fights I've been in and 99% of them I've seen have been two guys squaring off with an audience and best man wins.
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Personally I practice the ancient art of cellphone-kata - I disappear like a ninja, then call the police and shout "zomg come quick!!1". Hasn't ever failed me so far
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