I kind of feel left out here...all this hate and I'm not getting any of it? What the fuck do I gotta do? Here goes...Your statement above is ridiculous...so getting in there before the WMD's get used and accepting the fact there will be casualties, is the same thing as dropping a nuke on the place that will have lasting effects to not only the people but the earth? Bit of a stretch don't you think? And 100K of innocent people? Probably a eighth of that are actually innocent...fucking guy.

The Bush administration is planning to use nuclear weapons against Iran, to prevent it acquiring its own atomic warheads, claims an investigative writer with high-level Pentagon and intelligence contacts.

So, in your way of thinking, as per with Iraq possibly using wmd ( ??? ) justifying the pre-emptive invasion , the USA should also be subject to pre-emptive strikes against it ....

If, on top of it, you take in consideration the number of conflicts the USA has created, in respect to the ones of Iran and/or Iraq, this is a no-brainer ...

Your whole so-called logic is flawed.

Well, I'm not sure how "innocent" every person that has died in this war has been. Like I said before, arguing with you is like arguing with a broken record. You see your opinions and "facts" as the only way possible instead of thinking about a point the person you are arguing has made. I did answer your question. You are comparing one thing to another that is completely different. Seeing a threat and attacking it conventionaly is completely different than a nuclear war. If you aren't able to have a conversation, i.e. see more than just your opinion, then you should say that and save everyone a lot of time.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00025.htm
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20352/

and guess what? that was in 2004, and with the increased violence i wouldnt be surprised if the number was around 400k now.

and getting in there Before wmd gets used? there were no fucking WMD's. The only WMD's hussein had was in the 90's when he invaded iran and they WERE SUPPLIED TO HIM BY AMERICA.

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I didn't notice the june 2007 join date ... my bad ...

School will never start fast enough ....

What about the conflicts that the US has had to come in to in order to save another country? What about the times where the US was asked to help? Jesus! I'm sure whatever country you from has been helped by the US as well. My points have been completely overrun by single minded people in this thread that I've had to say the same things over and over. I see all the points you have made, I do and I can't say I disagree with some of them. I can do that because I know how to have an intelligent conversation.

Wow...cleverly deducted there buddy...Can you explain to me what someone's join date has to do with whether or not they are in school? I must have missed that class/thread/whatever...please learns me something.

Edit: I start 5th grade at the end of August...high FIVE!

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you did ...

Whether or not the study about how many civilians died is even a completely legitmate study, the fact that this many civilians died is still skewed. A good majority of civilians died because the "bad guys" in Iraq use them as cover. Like storying missles and bombs in a hospital or a school. They are scumbags and are lucky to have people like you defending them.

I think I did miss that one now that you mention it...I chose to skip Asanine 101. Just so you know you're not right about that either...you do seem to know everything or that's what you would say but got a tidbit of news for you...you don't know shit. I'm taking back any stars previously handed out in this thread and I am going to issue 30 min detentions to those of you who choose to disagree with anything I say. During said detention you will be writing on the chalkboard 1000 times "I am the idiot on GFY".

It's not skewed, its official.

So your saying the majority of people died because the "bad guys" use them as cover? so are you suggesting over 50 thousand innocent people where used as shields? Also you have the wrong end of the stick, the muslims dont use innocent people as shields, that is the israeli's, even worse, they used kids as shields.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A

Who are scumbags, the innocent people who died? One day karma is going to get to you because ii dont know what kind of sick person would support the reigeme of an illegal war that defies international law and over 100 thousand innocent people dead

but i guess, they are muslims right? their blood isnt as valuable as you americans.

you fucking sicken me

And you're at head dumbass

Wow, it's like you know me or something? I didn't say anything along those lines, not even close. Your fucking imagination is incredible. You take one part of a conversation and play out the way you think I would go and then believe it. Amazing. And Iraq did have missles stored in a hospital. At no point in any of the post's have I said anything remotely negative towards muslims. My honest opinion is that I don't hold stock in any organized religion, but I don't object to other people's beliefs. And the people we are fighting are not the muslims, but the jihads, the radical muslims. The average muslims are peaceful people, but like every religion, there are radicals.

Nope, but you support the war. so you must support the deaths of over 100k innocent people, but shitty response though its a shame you could only respond to one bit of my post.

I also said that I don't agree with the way the war was managed (hint hint, that's agreeing with your thought) and if you were intelligent enough to stop attacking me because I'm not agreeing with every thought you have and just listen, this might of been a good discussion. Instead, you have to make this some kind of personal soapbox to show how "understanding" you are to the poor Iraqi people. Sorry I don't agree with 100% percent of what you say, I guess I'm smarter than the people you normally talk with.

Head of what the English class cause you sure the fuck aren't! :1orglaugh

Edit: Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate...

Just because Americans do "nice" things in parts of the world, doesn't give them any "naughty credits" to do bad stuff too, mmmmkay?

Remember that the "radical muslims" aren't attacking because Americans have nice lives, drive fancy cars, or live in big houses. They don't really care. What they care about is the US foreign policy over the past 50 years. Kind of hard to argue with the chronological timeline of events where the US has interfered with their countries, people, and internal matters. The US would have you all believe it's just because they hate you, but that's completely untrue. They're just fighting any way they can, it's called Guerilla War, and the US are the masters of this. Probably taught them.

usa and the uk got themselves into it they created israel which is basically a 51st state in the middle east so america has authority there and they funded saddam to invade iran

and america wonders why the whole middle east hates it

Oh please point out my mistakes.

Oh, please point out my mistakes.

Comma?

Again! I like this game.

That timeline/track record seems to have been forgotten in the middle of a swamp of media propaganda :)

BTW... Same situation, different location. It was the same with another terrorist org - the IRA. Ireland was abused for decades by the UK govt and suffered badly. That planted the seeds of revolt/revenge and developed into the modern-day IRA.

Also relevant is that the IRA like a few other "terrorists" ended up sitting at a conference table and negotiation a peace process. One day... whenever that may be, - it is probable the same situation will happen with the Middle East/US, - but - there is the learning process to go thru yet and that could take decades.

Again, another person that doesn't listen to what I'm saying. I can agree with a lot of things that you are saying, I'm not saying you're wrong. All I'm saying is that everyone wants to just bash America because it's the cool thing to do these days and it's not cool with me. I agree that America has made mistakes in the past, as has every other country in the world. I'm not saying that because America has done good things in the past that means that we have a get out of jail free card. But everyone in here is so fucking fixated on attacking America and my point of view that we can't even intelligently discuss this issue. I'm bored with this.

whoa baddog.. you know how to do it

... here we go again ....

Michael Moore is one of those people who no matter what, will spend his whole life complaining about something or other. That's just how he exists.

Ok im going to make a civilized reply without flaming you.

Dont you think everyone hates america for a reason?

You say everyone is just bashing america, but there is no justification for americas actions, hense the bashing - if you can provide justification, ill have a civilized debate with you.

yeah he should just shut up and take it like a good American huh?

This thread was about how fat Michael Moore is - not about America.

Obviously America has more than it's share of hate to go around when the only form of criticism is based on Moore's weight - and not on the subject of his work.

PS If you think Moore is a fine specimen - you really need to look at a few other directors (a few of them well-acclaimed) - they look like carcasses extracted from a swamp grave.

That is his elected "work area" - nothing wrong with that. The purpose is to highlight problem areas in society - and there are plenty of them.

When a nation can accept criticism/comment without hating the messenger is the day we have reached reality.

The one person who originated the "social documentary" was John Grierson and he covered many subjects in a post WW2 time. He was never "hated" and labelled by total dumbasses on an agenda - his criticism resulted in actual improvements and he is well-respected.

Ya, I can tell you are capable of civilized and rational thinking. No thanks, I'll stick to talking with grownups. Isn't it nap time yet?

I'm sorry but did I read this right? Ohhh, my bad I was reading between the lines...you must be one of the poor bastards we turn down visas to....don't hate us because we're not letting you in.

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Way to edit my quote so you can make a point LOL loser

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Like I said I was just reading between the lines...that's all truth hurts sometimes I guess. Sorry didn't mean to strike a nerve...your point of view is obviously the only possible one that could be right. Please accept this goat penis as a symbol of my acceptance of your POV. I will also be giving all stars back to you that were previously taken away...a re-gift of sorts....Enjoy!

He is a fat and lazy regardless of anything. Stick to the facts. The guy is HUGE.

the last desperate resort in a discussion you can't win: point out spelling mistakes that dont have anything to do with the discussion at hand - you just proved you don't have anything to say anymore.

I wish he would make at least 1 film that is factually accurate.

I never had shit to say in the 1st place, I just came into this thread for a few laughs...and I got them. Thanks everybody! :thumbsup

I like laughing at people that take forum posting too seriously...which is about 90% of the people on GFY. You guys make me laugh so much sometimes a fart squeaks out and then I laugh harder. Thank you again. :1orglaugh

The US didn't break international law. We enforced international law, 11 years of defiance of the UN by Saddam Hussein.

Thank goodness GWB had the balls to step in. Maybe someday Iraq will be at peace. I am not a religious man, but I pray for it.

He has, its called Sicko.

By the way DaddyHalbucks the usa went into iraq and afghanistan under agression and that is against international law, koffe annan said it, condemed it and you know what happened? he got fired.

Also you some how can say that you support the war, even though over 400 thousand INNOCENT civilians have died. Iraq was more at peace than it was before you went in there.

:1orglaugh Lame excuse, I see your point.

I suppose I should say that the "He's fat!" description is most definitely what a 5 year-old would say. It's a matter of psychology: the first thing one observes upon another that differs from themselves. To use it as a primordial analysis criteria when you're 30....well, let's say it doesn't bode well for one's intellectual prowess.

LOL you are spot on man

http://www.google.com/search?q=Prese...a+book+or+film

and fagdog claims that is 'his definiton' - you pathetic idiot! :1orglaugh

jesus christ you are still at it moron. Enforced international law? LOL keep watching fox and friends you asshat

btw you found those big bad WMD's yet?

What you mean like in Iraq?

Saved?

Holy fuck man please don't save my country.