whats the problem with him being fat? how does that have anythign to do with what he does?

he tries to bring to light what is seriously wrong with america. admitting weaknesses is a strength, isn't it?

Moore is fat and Coulter is anorexic. It's time to find middle weight, oops, I meant middle ground.

amazingly only one of those things is a medical fact, everything else is an opinion which requires you to fabricate evidence to prove.

Republicans are good at that. Edwards is gay, Moore is fat, Bill Clinton is gay, Dean is insane... anyone who loves their country enough to want to identify and fix it's faults is a traitor. Anyone who wants to preserve our individual civil liberties against this imperial presidency is 'unpatriotic'.

Baddog and other Republicans don't want a democracy, they want a monarchy. They need a 'daddy' in the oval office and they don't like hearing uncomfortable truths from what they consider snobby smartasses like Michael Moore.

Presenting one side of a story does not mean he's trying to bring light to what's wrong with America, it just means that his view is so weak that he can't include anything that might contradict it and make him look like an idiot. He's good enough at that anyways, doesn't need more help. Fuck that guy!

Some people are so terrified of the word socialism they can't even see what is staring them right in the face. Your medical system is fucked and private enterprise cant fix it. Why? because private enterprise isn't about protecting citizens, its all about making a buck. At least we get to vote for the government. If one lot fuck it up then you vote in another lot to take another shot at it. The right-wingers try to dredge up 'horror stories' about socialised medicine but the reality is, by and large, those in countries that have it, love it. Liberals and conservatives. Its rare you find something that almost everyone in a country agrees with. Socialised medicine is one of those things.

Why people trust private enterprise more than the government staggers me sometimes. You dont vote for the leaders of big business. The average person has no say in the affairs of the corporate world. But they have a vote. They can help change a government. No system is perfect but one of the purposes of government is to protect its citizens. Having healthcare available to all is the very basis of that, as well as equal opportunity. How can any country claim to have equal opportunity when an education and health care is not provided to ALL its citizens?

In short: They can't.

baddog is just supporting the american way. sweep the problems under the rug and blame someone else and look the other way.

what did baddog do wrong? he was taught to be this way by his whore mother and ugly fat kid.

Or a documentary on you on how it's The Ugly tree's fault that you look the way you do. :)

Except nobody has ever successfully contradicted him on any significant fact, because he tells nothing but the truth. The things that he has a problem with, that EVERY true patriotic American should have a problem with, don't matter. It only matters that he's fat. And he hurts their feelings.

I give him props for gaining a huge following. However, he much too biased.

An open and active mind is always able to be convinced, congratulations.

Re Charlton Heston, yeah that was hard to watch but you know, the NRA is a politically active organization with a great deal of influence, and Heston is the frontman and the nominative leader. If he couldn't take the heat, he should have left the kitchen 20 years ago.

If I say 'Fire is HOT!' does that make me biased in favor of ice? That's how biased he is. If it was Dems that were fucking up the country, stealing your rights and the legal property of corporate interests he'd be after them just as well.

No way, he's easy to contradict. Gun control for one is completely ridiculous. Him presenting facts saying that gun control is too weak and that increasing the penalty for gun law violations will result in a safer society, but if you look at crime statistics, states and cities that have the strictest gun laws have increased levels of violent crimes. Chicago, New York, New Jersey. That's just one of his idiot thoughts. Not saying he's all wrong, its just the way he presents it makes him look like an ass.

Who cares how many academy awards someone has or doesnt have. It doesnt matter if Moore has 100 awards, he still is a lying fat piece of shit.

pathetic....

You are even more ignorrant than I thought :helpme
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slander_and_libel
Try to learn at least the basic things about the things you make discussions about :-)
It may not be something that would throw him to jail, but if it was false facts he based his movies on then he, the rest of his family including his neighbours would already be broke for the rest of their lifes due to the lawsuits against him

:error :helpme

M. Moore is getting attacked on frequent basis from the same group of ppl that believes they are more patriotic than all the rest. In reality it's nothing more than a subliminal reaction; deep inside them they do perceive he is greater American and patriot. It truly hurts them to see him getting accepted from a large percentage of the population because he represents whatever they hate or dislike and they rarely fail to use unfair or pathetic characterizations against him.

You know a significant part of the world didn?t have to watch ?Sicko? to find out that US healthcare system is not perfect. They knew it long time ago and it?s not like it?s the only one. What they just found out is that at least some people have tried and try to change it. The testimony of the woman in front of a court panel (if I?m not mistaken) that she had to deny healthcare to clients they deserved it in order to increase the company?s profits was just one of the highlights of it.

If you haven?t watched it, you should, at least if you plan to express an opinion on it.

No. In respect to gun control, as in health care and increasingly education, America is behind most of the western world. England and other countries that have severely restricted gun ownership have far fewer violent crimes. Like global warming, this fact isn't even in question among those whose job it is to know, you only think it is because you're a Republican sheep.

When the message is hard to bear, kill the messenger. You're obviously a very intelligent person.

I found it very generous that he sent an annonymous check for $12,000 to one of his biggest haters who almost had to close his website down because his wife became ill and he could not afford to run the website any longer..

Just goes to show that even being hated by someone doesnt mean you have to be a complete asshole, he had the $$$ to pay for it, so he stepped up and sent the check to ensure that someone could keep up with their freedom of speech and also help their wife.. commendable in my book..

yeah too bad he is trying to look out for the welfare and well being of children and people in general in your country...must have really bothered you to see someone on the side of good

dont worry..maybe there will be a devastating plague or tornado that kills some people...then you will be happy

media, he may did it in order to include it in his movie (not that still wasn't a a good act since it helped someone's life). Hard to tell, but the fact remains this guy's wife needed $12k for a health issue she most like shouldnt have to pay at all and be provided for "free".

Lying?

your a fucking piece of shit. Yes, you.

I hope you find yourself without medical care or find yourself in debt up to your eyeballs because you cant afford your medical bills.

dont mind him, he's still reeling over fahrenheit.

I don't really understand where this is going.

Sure Michael Moore is fat, but what does that matter? He makes some decent films that ask important questions. Would it make you happier if he looked like Brad Pitt or someone like that?

Charlton Heston is a nut... I didn't think he was that out of line.

So, you guys want the government to handle health care? Do you really think that the same government you complain about is going to do a better job?

It matters because a guy that can't manage his own fucking torso shouldn't be telling anyone how to run anything. :tongue:

Wow, might be time to settle down. I've never heard someone get so worked up over someone elses opinion about a contraversial person. I don't agree with most everthing he says and there are ways to fix things without going into the extremes he might suggest, but he has a right to say what he wants. Personally, I hope he gets hit by a bus and dies...but that's just me.

baddog is the last person that needs to be calling someone a pig. He is a talentless, hairy, old piece of shit, that doesn't offer anything to society, other then his ability to make uneducated, and pointless comments on this here adult message board.

Yea, and I also have a right to say what i want to, and I took the liberty to do so.

Thats just retarded.

Another piece of bullshit propaganda, and anyone who's ever taken Poli Sci 101 knows it, but oh wait, Republicans are anti-education, anti-college, anti 'elites' because by gawd who needs some pointy headed smartass perfessor telling them whut's whut.

Govt. does a better job running huge organizations, they do it more efficiently and cheaper than private enterprise in just about EVERY case. You can find anecdotal evidence to the contrary, as you can in every situation, but that's a FACT.

yea. I do.

Our current healthcare system isn't exactly privatized. Insurance companies rely heavily on government laws and regulations that allow them to exploit customers. From not allowing Americans to purchase overseas, having them dictate medical treatment, and allowing them huge tax breaks makes them less a story of capitalistic success and more about sucking the dicks of the right Senators to make their business easy.

On top of that, everyone who buys health insurance or pays their own medical bills is paying for socialized medicine. A true private healthcare system can turn away people, can deny healthcare. Our current system doesn't allow that, and the people who do pay their bills are the ones who pay for the poor. It's why Aspirin is $20, why a simple MRI is hundreds, and why just staying in a bed in a hospital for a night is over $10,000.

So we need to stop saying that our system is privatized. It's still socialized medicine with flaws. The difference is whether we pay for the poor in our taxes or through our health insurance. So I'm not saying that the government should run everything, but I'm saying that our current healthcare system is far from a private system that utilizes capitalism.

They do a pretty decent job with education, mail, our parks, libraries, and many other socialized issues.

And your assumption that private companies do everything better is wrong. It's a talking point of private companies that can only stay in business by sucking government dick and getting fat contracts.

Yea! And he's fat too.

All motives aside.. he still did something that was very generous.. on moorewatch.com they detail alot about hidden agenda of the check etc. but still when it gets down to it I think it was a cool thing to do regardless.. and the guy has thanked moore alot for it.. even though he still does not like his business relations, he thinks that moore as a person did a nice thing..

award of the most stupid post of this thread ... and let me tell you that competition was fierce :2 cents:

The flip side to this is that maybe he is too busy working to workout. Did it ever occur to you that it could be genetic? That is just a retarded thing to say and I would bet that you don't even buy into it.

Everybody calls him a liar but nobody can point out exactly what he is lying about. Just keep calling him fat or shut up.

While in principle I agree with what you are saying, look at what Margret Thatcher did in the UK during here rein. I guess they didn't discuss that in PolSci 101 there. It all comes down to how it is all set up, either system could work as well or better than the other.

Yeah, I don't really but I still think it was amusing. Sorry if I upset anyone that is also lacking in torso management skills. :)

Wow are you 7 years old?

you are retarded

pocketkangaroo, a simple MRI is hundreds? I wish :) It's thousands. One sec I'll go find my bill...
First of all just to get to the emergency room and have a doctor check me out was $1514.
MRI scan was $2836.

And thats just face, neck and chest.. and I need another one of those damn things for another procedure.. blah

I was just on moorewatch.com. That site is as shitty as they come. All they do is bash the shit out of Michael Moore even though they can neither write, nor think for themselves. One gold mine of a post that I found was one arguing that Michael Moore is the only single individual to profit from the war. They claim that all others that have profited have been business. Well hello, that's the fucking problem asshole. I guess they are happy to see Haliburton and Lockheed make billions (of your tax dollars I might add) from sending the young and poor to die for reasons they won't live long enough to understand. So fucking what if he made some money, does it look like he gives a flying fuck. These are the type of people who would steal from their own mom if they could only figure out how to pull it off (sadly they can't because they are dumb as door knobs).

I think I am going to shed a tear on July 4th for all the intelligent people in the US who have to sit idly by while the rich and utterly retarded run the country into the ground because they can't even understand that they are quickly turning the place into a banana republic slowly slipping more and more into debt while China quietly accepts their position at the top of the pedestal as the new World Super Power. Actually, on second thought I will probably laugh instead because that is what everyone down there is going to be doing while lighting fireworks and having a grand old time...no cares in the world because today equals tomorrow (that's what dad told me anyways) progress is progress there is no turning back now.

Name one gun shoot incident that would have happened if the current laws were fully enforced.

trace the gun path from manufacture thru distributor to the final sale and you will find at least one violation of law that would have broken the chain IN EVERY SINGLE CASE.

The problem is police don't have the resourse to enforce the laws that are CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS. Add a new law and you simple add more buracracy to the system, which will have no added effect because the policy don have the resources to enforce the laws that are CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS.

You are fat and sensitive.

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