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Brother Bilo 06-28-2007 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 12673091)
No. In respect to gun control, as in health care and increasingly education, America is behind most of the western world. England and other countries that have severely restricted gun ownership have far fewer violent crimes. Like global warming, this fact isn't even in question among those whose job it is to know, you only think it is because you're a Republican sheep.
So the answer to this problem is to remove the rights of the individual? Not everyone who owns guns commit crimes, so why do they have to suffer because some guy robs a liquer store? Educating people is by far a better solution and one that could happen if the laws were written to support it. Instead all out restrictions and bans on guns, or whatever, why not require people to learn about what they are doing. It would work better than just saying "no" and putting them in jail.

Subtle 06-28-2007 11:55 AM
Wow, what a thread!!!

Tom_PM 06-28-2007 11:55 AM
I think that when Bush let the assault weapons ban lapse, it was purely political. Just like the gay marriage amendment attempt. Just like all abortion discussions in politics, and flag burning, and on and on. All buzzwords for politics/elections.

In other words, if my neighbor wants to own an AK-47, MAKE him break a law to get it. Just like if a 10 year old wants a case of beer. Hey it happens, but why make it any easier?

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 12673636)
I was just on moorewatch.com. That site is as shitty as they come. All they do is bash the shit out of Michael Moore even though they can neither write, nor think for themselves. One gold mine of a post that I found was one arguing that Michael Moore is the only single individual to profit from the war. They claim that all others that have profited have been business. Well hello, that's the fucking problem asshole. I guess they are happy to see Haliburton and Lockheed make billions (of your tax dollars I might add) from sending the young and poor to die for reasons they won't live long enough to understand. So fucking what if he made some money, does it look like he gives a flying fuck. These are the type of people who would steal from their own mom if they could only figure out how to pull it off (sadly they can't because they are dumb as door knobs).

I think I am going to shed a tear on July 4th for all the intelligent people in the US who have to sit idly by while the rich and utterly retarded run the country into the ground because they can't even understand that they are quickly turning the place into a banana republic slowly slipping more and more into debt while China quietly accepts their position at the top of the pedestal as the new World Super Power. Actually, on second thought I will probably laugh instead because that is what everyone down there is going to be doing while lighting fireworks and having a grand old time...no cares in the world because today equals tomorrow (that's what dad told me anyways) progress is progress there is no turning back now.
Excellent post.

Brad 06-28-2007 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 12673459)
Yeah, I don't really but I still think it was amusing. Sorry if I upset anyone that is also lacking in torso management skills. :)
is that honestly supposed to be an insult? :1orglaugh you've probably never even met any of the people you are talking to and you want to start insulting people based on how much you think they may weigh. Next maybe you will start calling me too young to understand "how the world works". or maybe you will just dismiss me as a bleeding heart liberal or a tree hugger or whatever uneducated and unoriginal insults you have in your three card deck. If you want to make someone laugh or insult them then think of something funny or insulting to say and say it...no point in being half assed or holding back.

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 11:58 AM
Wow these threads about Bush and shit go on forever...

Kingfish 06-28-2007 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12673333)
Our current healthcare system isn't exactly privatized. Insurance companies rely heavily on government laws and regulations that allow them to exploit customers. From not allowing Americans to purchase overseas, having them dictate medical treatment, and allowing them huge tax breaks makes them less a story of capitalistic success and more about sucking the dicks of the right Senators to make their business easy.

On top of that, everyone who buys health insurance or pays their own medical bills is paying for socialized medicine. A true private healthcare system can turn away people, can deny healthcare. Our current system doesn't allow that, and the people who do pay their bills are the ones who pay for the poor. It's why Aspirin is $20, why a simple MRI is hundreds, and why just staying in a bed in a hospital for a night is over $10,000.

So we need to stop saying that our system is privatized. It's still socialized medicine with flaws. The difference is whether we pay for the poor in our taxes or through our health insurance. So I'm not saying that the government should run everything, but I'm saying that our current healthcare system is far from a private system that utilizes capitalism.
I think you hit on some good points. I think what we have is a partially failing capitalistic system and a partially socialized system. The people in the capitalistic system are those with private polices, employer provided policies and those without insurance. They people in the socialized system are those on Medicare/Medicaid and/or some other federal or state government provided insurance. The problem for those of us stuck in the private system is that our private system has become a monopolistic system where all of the key players are involved in a silent conspiracy to extract maximum profit from those of us suck in that system. In other words it simply isn’t a functioning free market anymore.

escorpio 06-28-2007 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 12673689)
is that honestly supposed to be an insult? :1orglaugh
No, I'm having a laugh at those too sensitive to recognize or take a joke.

Tom_PM 06-28-2007 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12673702)
Wow these threads about Bush and shit go on forever...
Theres just so much material! :1orglaugh

Brother Bilo 06-28-2007 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 12673679)
I think that when Bush let the assault weapons ban lapse, it was purely political. Just like the gay marriage amendment attempt. Just like all abortion discussions in politics, and flag burning, and on and on. All buzzwords for politics/elections.

In other words, if my neighbor wants to own an AK-47, MAKE him break a law to get it. Just like if a 10 year old wants a case of beer. Hey it happens, but why make it any easier?
Whats wrong with owning an AK-47? I have one, does that make me a bad person? Shooting a gun is fun. It's a proven fact that if it rhymes, its legit. Seriously though, guns aren't the problem, it's the people that end up getting them. No matter how many gun laws get created, the wrong people are still going to get them, so why take them out of law abiding citizens hands?

Brad 06-28-2007 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 12673713)
No, I'm having a laugh at those too sensitive to recognize or take a joke.
oh so it was a joke then. re-read my post and try again at being funny because that just wasn't it. Fat jokes are fine, but at least make someone laugh this time.

Brad 06-28-2007 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12673687)
Excellent post.
Thanks :thumbsup

swampthing 06-28-2007 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 12673621)
pocketkangaroo, a simple MRI is hundreds? I wish :) It's thousands. One sec I'll go find my bill...
First of all just to get to the emergency room and have a doctor check me out was $1514.
MRI scan was $2836.

And thats just face, neck and chest.. and I need another one of those damn things for another procedure.. blah
Yes, I have to agree with you. I had a migraine headache that lasted a few weeks, so I finally was sent to the hospital to get a CT scan.......$4500. I was at the hospital for 2 hours.

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 12673714)
Theres just so much material! :1orglaugh
And it's obvious why. These subjects make people very emotional. Shit, I know they make verry fucking upset. How you can be living in a country like the US and bash the only person why actually has the guts to criticize the absolute worse problems your country has? And how do they criticize him? By calling a fat liar? WTF? To this day I have never heard anyone nail Moore on a straigh-out lie. Like someone mentioned earlier, when someone like Moore gets it opposers so worked up it's because you know he has hit a nerve. You know something is fucked up.

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 12673713)
No, I'm having a laugh at those too sensitive to recognize or take a joke.
Tell a joke and we'll recognize it :1orglaugh

Drake 06-28-2007 12:13 PM
At the end of the day everybody wants police, prisons, garbage men, libraries, parks, armies, the FDA, and a basic educated populace (thus mandatory and universal education). How much "more" or "less" Government is required will never satisfy anybody, except for individuals that love living 100&#37; off the system or corporations and CEOs that are completely subsidized by government tax dollars to the tune of millions, or government officials that get paid big salaries yet don't even show up for "work".

I think Brad made the point earlier that both private and/or public healthcare could probably work equally well, but it all depends upon how it's managed.

Tom_PM 06-28-2007 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 12673726)
Whats wrong with owning an AK-47? I have one, does that make me a bad person? Shooting a gun is fun. It's a proven fact that if it rhymes, its legit. Seriously though, guns aren't the problem, it's the people that end up getting them. No matter how many gun laws get created, the wrong people are still going to get them, so why take them out of law abiding citizens hands?
Maybe nothing is wrong with you owning whatever weapon you want to own. But the argument that the bad people will get them anyway so why have a law against it is weak. Speeders will go 100mph, so lift the speed limit. See? Doesnt make sense.

tony286 06-28-2007 12:18 PM
The funniest thing calling someone out for being fat when that's what 70 percent of the industry you sell too? lol

escorpio 06-28-2007 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12673802)
Tell a joke and we'll recognize it :1orglaugh
I guess "It matters because a guy that can't manage his own fucking torso shouldn't be telling anyone how to run anything" is too close to the truth to be a joke, huh? :winkwink:

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12673849)
The funniest thing calling someone out for being fat when that's what 70 percent of the industry you sell too? lol
And 50% of the population!

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 12673853)
I guess "It matters because a guy that can't manage his own fucking torso shouldn't be telling anyone how to run anything" is too close to the truth to be a joke, huh? :winkwink:

Not really, it's that it's far from anything that can be even considered a joke. But worse than that is that it makes you look like a complete fool.

Brad 06-28-2007 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 12673853)
I guess "It matters because a guy that can't manage his own fucking torso shouldn't be telling anyone how to run anything" is too close to the truth to be a joke, huh? :winkwink:
I actually find it funny now because you fail to understand that it is really not funny at all.

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 12673912)
I actually find it funny now because you fail to understand that it is really not funny at all.
LMAO and I find it funny that you find it funny that he doesnt know we dont find it funny!

Brother Bilo 06-28-2007 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 12673817)
Maybe nothing is wrong with you owning whatever weapon you want to own. But the argument that the bad people will get them anyway so why have a law against it is weak. Speeders will go 100mph, so lift the speed limit. See? Doesnt make sense.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to compare speeding with illegally purchasing firearms, but I do see your point. However, an outright ban isn't the answer either, just like the one that Bush allowed to expire. Have crimes increased since that ban expired? I doubt it. I'm not saying there shouldn't be any laws or even new laws, but the direction shouldn't be towards a ban.

Brad 06-28-2007 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12673933)
LMAO and I find it funny that you find it funny that he doesnt know we dont find it funny!
best post ever!!!

nico-t 06-28-2007 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 12672793)
Republicans are good at that. Edwards is gay, Moore is fat, Bill Clinton is gay, Dean is insane... anyone who loves their country enough to want to identify and fix it's faults is a traitor. Anyone who wants to preserve our individual civil liberties against this imperial presidency is 'unpatriotic'.

Baddog and other Republicans don't want a democracy, they want a monarchy. They need a 'daddy' in the oval office and they don't like hearing uncomfortable truths from what they consider snobby smartasses like Michael Moore.
this post says it all. Thread closed.

dig420 06-28-2007 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 12673713)
No, I'm having a laugh at those too sensitive to recognize or take a joke.
No, you're incapable of participating in a serious discussion, so you come in and try to fuck it up like a juvenile attention whore. I learned a long time ago that your posts aren't worth a bucket of warm piss and if everyone else was like me you'd be pretty much ignored at all times.

BigCashCrew 06-28-2007 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 12674194)
this post says it all. Thread closed.
I don't think so.

dig420 06-28-2007 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 12673726)
Whats wrong with owning an AK-47? I have one, does that make me a bad person? Shooting a gun is fun. It's a proven fact that if it rhymes, its legit. Seriously though, guns aren't the problem, it's the people that end up getting them. No matter how many gun laws get created, the wrong people are still going to get them, so why take them out of law abiding citizens hands?
Because if they're on the market at all, the bad people are going to get them and they're going to use them. I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but nobody NEEDS an AK except the military. As far as having a 'well armed militia' goes, last time I checked the National Guard was alive and well.

dig420 06-28-2007 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 12673673)
So the answer to this problem is to remove the rights of the individual?
But I'm guessing you're all for warrantless wiretaps on private citizens, the suspension of the right of habeas corpus and shipping prisoners overseas to be tortured, right?

Tom_PM 06-28-2007 01:37 PM
I think it will probably take time to get data to show any major ban or lifting of ban to show any kind of good data. I dunno. It just pissed me off honestly to watch cspan as the republican senators, and some democratic ones, cried about how letting 2 gay women or men marry would destroy western civilization.

Then senators Shumer and Clinton got up and used their time with charts and graphs and shit to talk about how the automatic assault weapons ban expired that same day, and how all this gay marriage talk just distracted the public.. which I felt was basically true. And it was all because there was a huge election coming up.

Politics just sucks sometimes. (ie: 100% of the time, lol)

They COULD have said you can buy an AK-47, but require them to be filled with cement, lol. But nobody even cared enough to set politics aside, thats the sad thing. Since it was simply expiring, there was no need for anyone to debate why it SHOULD expire, so they didnt make a peep.

Brother Bilo 06-28-2007 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 12674438)
But I'm guessing you're all for warrantless wiretaps on private citizens, the suspension of the right of habeas corpus and shipping prisoners overseas to be tortured, right?
That's a pretty big jump don't you think? I'm all for responsible people owning firearms so that means I'm in favor of wiretaps and everything. As far as shipping prisoners outside of the country to be tortured, I'm not in favor of that. Torture has it's place in war and, unfortunately, it's a neccessary evil. If information is needed to save the lives a lots of people and the only way to get it is to poke some scumbag, I say poke him. He probably deserves it anyways.

The Sultan Of Smut 06-28-2007 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 12673621)
pocketkangaroo, a simple MRI is hundreds? I wish :) It's thousands. One sec I'll go find my bill...
First of all just to get to the emergency room and have a doctor check me out was $1514.
MRI scan was $2836.

And thats just face, neck and chest.. and I need another one of those damn things for another procedure.. blah
Crazy that's pretty expensive. Here in Vancouver if you need an MRI you can get one for free through the public system or go to a private MRI clinic and pay $850.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that it's possible to have a health care system fully funded publicly while also offering some services privately. Why do all the issues seem to gravitate to one option or another?

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 12674484)
Torture has it's place in war and, unfortunately, it's a neccessary evil. If information is needed to save the lives a lots of people and the only way to get it is to poke some scumbag, I say poke him. He probably deserves it anyways.


You should fucking be ashamed to say that. I'm ashamed to even belong to the same fucking race as you. Get the fuck off this board! You are the scumbag piece of shit. Fuck you.

escorpio 06-28-2007 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 12674412)
No, you're incapable of participating in a serious discussion, so you come in and try to fuck it up like a juvenile attention whore. I learned a long time ago that your posts aren't worth a bucket of warm piss and if everyone else was like me you'd be pretty much ignored at all times.
How's it going, dig? Keeping up with your affilaite payments? Switched over to NATS yet?

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 12674484)
Torture has it's place in war and, unfortunately, it's a neccessary evil. If information is needed to save the lives a lots of people and the only way to get it is to poke some scumbag, I say poke him. He probably deserves it anyways.
I have friends and friends of friends who have been tortured during the dicatorships that were set up in South America (supported by the US). You fucking ignorant fuck.

Brother Bilo 06-28-2007 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12674515)
You should fucking be ashamed to say that. I'm ashamed to even belong to the same fucking race as you. Get the fuck off this board! You are the scumbag piece of shit. Fuck you.
Really? That's pretty short sighted. I'm not saying I could do it, but torture has been used since the dawn of time to get timely information from people who don't want to give it up. Torture, while contreversial and offense, has changed the course of history. I can see you don't agree with it and you probably think that if everyone just stopped fighting there would be magical rainbows and fairys dancing around everywhere. Nice thought, but try and get somewhat of a grip on reality.

Brother Bilo 06-28-2007 01:53 PM
And it all depends on what side you are on. Your friends were tortured, but what if your friends are the ones depending on you getting information in a hurry. Are you going to just wait for your prisoner to talk and let your friends die? That's all I'm saying. Youre just onesided.

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 12674541)
Really? That's pretty short sighted. I'm not saying I could do it, but torture has been used since the dawn of time to get timely information from people who don't want to give it up. Torture, while contreversial and offense, has changed the course of history. I can see you don't agree with it and you probably think that if everyone just stopped fighting there would be magical rainbows and fairys dancing around everywhere. Nice thought, but try and get somewhat of a grip on reality.
What part of FUCK YOU didnt you understand you fucking moron? You are obviously an ignorant retard. Now get the fuck out of here.

Brother Bilo 06-28-2007 01:56 PM
You sound upset. Maybe you should think bigger than just you small view of the world.

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 12674550)
And it all depends on what side you are on. Your friends were tortured, but what if your friends are the ones depending on you getting information in a hurry. Are you going to just wait for your prisoner to talk and let your friends die? That's all I'm saying. Youre just onesided.
And you're just an idiot. Any person with a conscious cannot support torture. Do you even know what torture is you hillbilly, simple minded, disgusting piece of shit?

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Bilo (Post 12674573)
You sound upset. Maybe you should think bigger than just you small view of the world.
You would be upset too if you knew people who were tortured and made dissapear, their families never knowing where or how the died. I think you are the one with the small view. I hope to God that you are never tortured, and I hate your fucking guts.

Brother Bilo 06-28-2007 02:00 PM
So you feel that attacking is the answer to people having an opinion different than yours? All I'm saying is that torture has been used, during war on prisoners of war, for longer than any of us have been alive and it worked. I'm not saying I condone it or participate in it, just that it has it's place. Not everything in the world can be nice, just has to work. I'm not simple minded or a hillbilly, I'm someone who can think rationally, not just emotionally.

Axeman 06-28-2007 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer (Post 12672813)
Some people are so terrified of the word socialism they can't even see what is staring them right in the face. Your medical system is fucked and private enterprise cant fix it. Why? because private enterprise isn't about protecting citizens, its all about making a buck. At least we get to vote for the government. If one lot fuck it up then you vote in another lot to take another shot at it. The right-wingers try to dredge up 'horror stories' about socialised medicine but the reality is, by and large, those in countries that have it, love it. Liberals and conservatives. Its rare you find something that almost everyone in a country agrees with. Socialised medicine is one of those things.

Why people trust private enterprise more than the government staggers me sometimes. You dont vote for the leaders of big business. The average person has no say in the affairs of the corporate world. But they have a vote. They can help change a government. No system is perfect but one of the purposes of government is to protect its citizens. Having healthcare available to all is the very basis of that, as well as equal opportunity. How can any country claim to have equal opportunity when an education and health care is not provided to ALL its citizens?

In short: They can't.
Very well said.

The only thing I differ on Moore about on this matter is the elimination of the private system altogether. I say offer universal care through the government and let the private system sort itself out for those that want to still pay and use it.

Hollywood Horwitz 06-28-2007 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Adult Lounge - Brad (Post 12673636)
I was just on moorewatch.com. That site is as shitty as they come. All they do is bash the shit out of Michael Moore even though they can neither write, nor think for themselves. One gold mine of a post that I found was one arguing that Michael Moore is the only single individual to profit from the war. They claim that all others that have profited have been business. Well hello, that's the fucking problem asshole. I guess they are happy to see Haliburton and Lockheed make billions (of your tax dollars I might add) from sending the young and poor to die for reasons they won't live long enough to understand. So fucking what if he made some money, does it look like he gives a flying fuck. These are the type of people who would steal from their own mom if they could only figure out how to pull it off (sadly they can't because they are dumb as door knobs).

I think I am going to shed a tear on July 4th for all the intelligent people in the US who have to sit idly by while the rich and utterly retarded run the country into the ground because they can't even understand that they are quickly turning the place into a banana republic slowly slipping more and more into debt while China quietly accepts their position at the top of the pedestal as the new World Super Power. Actually, on second thought I will probably laugh instead because that is what everyone down there is going to be doing while lighting fireworks and having a grand old time...no cares in the world because today equals tomorrow (that's what dad told me anyways) progress is progress there is no turning back now.
good call! didn't know about the moorewatch site,I'm gonna have to check it out. My good friend just saw the screener for Sicko and said it's brilliant, can't wait to see it.

SilkyJohnson 06-28-2007 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12674559)
What part of FUCK YOU didnt you understand you fucking moron? You are obviously an ignorant retard. Now get the fuck out of here.
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12674575)
And you're just an idiot. Any person with a conscious cannot support torture. Do you even know what torture is you hillbilly, simple minded, disgusting piece of shit?
Awwwww....sounds like somebody got butt hurt.
You okay little buddy?? :1orglaugh

escorpio 06-28-2007 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12674575)
Do you even know what torture is...?
Yeah, your histrionic posts.

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 12674751)
Yeah, your histrionic posts.
Look, look, he's trying to be funny again!

J. Falcon 06-28-2007 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SilkyJohnson (Post 12674719)
Awwwww....sounds like somebody got butt hurt.
You okay little buddy?? :1orglaugh
Fuck off newbie

escorpio 06-28-2007 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by J. Falcon (Post 12674899)
Look, look, he's trying to be funny again!
You wish. That was as serious as I get.


200 fat guys!


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