Toronto Sidewalk Tax!!!! WTF

[Casa Nova]

WHAT THE HELL! Toronto is trying to implement a tax to club owners where they will have to rent out space on the sidewalk since there customers wait in line there?! This will obviously fall off onto the patrons shoulders to pay in higher drink prices/cover etc!!

When will the government stop taxing everything for extra cash?! Greedy Bastards!

[Za Ha]

Sucks to have to wait in line to get into clubs, now it will suck even more LOL

[fris]

thats lame++

[GTS Mark]

What a crock of shit!

DH

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Casa Nova

WHAT THE HELL! Toronto is trying to implement a tax to club owners where they will have to rent out space on the sidewalk since there customers wait in line there?! This will obviously fall off onto the patrons shoulders to pay in higher drink prices/cover etc!!

When will the government stop taxing everything for extra cash?! Greedy Bastards!

the police presence those bars require has to come from somewhere.. unless you think Mrs. Old bags should foot the bill?

[Casa Nova]

Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

What a crock of shit!

DH

Agreed. We already get raped with taxes, now we will have to be subject to an even more ridiculous one! we already pay taxes to have the sidewalk built, why should we have to pay a tax to stand there while we wait to get into a entertainment venue!

[Casa Nova]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

the police presence those bars require has to come from somewhere.. unless you think Mrs. Old bags should foot the bill?

Our taxes and the fines handed out by the police while they're their should foot the bill.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Casa Nova

Our taxes and the fines handed out by the police while they're their should foot the bill.

so you want to pay for the police presence instead of the businesses that require the police presence?

[Kevin Cunningham]

I agree with the tax.

[Elli]

The business should be billed directly for the police presence. They need to provide security at their establishments, after all, and make sure that undersirable behaviour of their customers doesn't affect the neighbours of the business.

Taxing the whole city is ridiculous. ugh.

[Casa Nova]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

so you want to pay for the police presence instead of the businesses that require the police presence?

Im saying technically we already are paying from our normal day to day taxes. If they send this tax to the clubs, the clubs themselves will just raise prices of the cover or drinks to make up for it. So wel will just be paying more in the end.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Casa Nova

Im saying technically we already are paying from our normal day to day taxes. If they send this tax to the clubs, the clubs themselves will just raise prices of the cover or drinks to make up for it. So wel will just be paying more in the end.

i see.. but Mrs. Oldbags won't pay? Because she doesn't go to clubs?

Sounds fair to me

[Casa Nova]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

i see.. but Mrs. Oldbags won't pay? Because she doesn't go to clubs?

Sounds fair to me

AH I see what you're saying now... Understandable. But I still hold my ground on the issue, There should be no action taken.

Great mini debate though. Feel free to add me to icq and chit chat whenever.

[mpahlca]

Originally Posted by Casa Nova

Im saying technically we already are paying from our normal day to day taxes. If they send this tax to the clubs, the clubs themselves will just raise prices of the cover or drinks to make up for it. So wel will just be paying more in the end.

perfect...works for me.

[EasterBunny]

I have to agree....In New York City street vendors like hot dog guys and people that setup tables to sell sunglasses have to pay for a permit for using public space for business. Also a dollar store in my area got a warning for having stuff outside on a table as part of a small rummage sale.

I see the city's pov in this instance as well as with the clubs

[Bomber8888]

Originally Posted by Elli

The business should be billed directly for the police presence. They need to provide security at their establishments, after all, and make sure that undersirable behaviour of their customers doesn't affect the neighbours of the business.

Taxing the whole city is ridiculous. ugh.

I agree, not everyone should be taxed but only the people that are benefiting from the the clientiele, somewhat like paying for an extra permit, but in actuality paying for police presence to ensure safety.

Bomber

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by Mr.Sexbankroll

the police presence those bars require has to come from somewhere.. unless you think Mrs. Old bags should foot the bill?

LOL
Do the people who organise walks and stuff like that pay for the police too ?

The cops are there to do their job and the economy is rolling. Private business shouldn't have to pay extra for police.

[WiredGuy]

On the flip side, maybe the bouncers won't keep people outside so much and try to get them in faster.
WG

[tehHinjew]

clubs dont have cops inside... what are you guys talking about

[gt23zeus]

just another canadian tax

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

On the flip side, maybe the bouncers won't keep people outside so much and try to get them in faster.
WG

Then they could get closed down for exceeding capacity..fire laws

Is this prick still Mayor? Sounds like something he would think of.

[Fizzgig]

They'll tax the air you breathe if they can find a way to attach a meter to your nose.

[tony286]

man they dont play.

[Casa Nova]

Originally Posted by evildick

Is this prick still Mayor? Sounds like something he would think of.

lol no he isnt anymore. its some next guy, cant remember his name.

[SleazyDream]

will the VIP line be taxed too.

oh wait - there's no line at the vip door.

sorry

carry on

[Gentle_Ben]

I dont think mayor mel would ever do that shit

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Casa Nova

WHAT THE HELL! Toronto is trying to implement a tax to club owners where they will have to rent out space on the sidewalk since there customers wait in line there?! This will obviously fall off onto the patrons shoulders to pay in higher drink prices/cover etc!!

When will the government stop taxing everything for extra cash?! Greedy Bastards!

Or you could just find something better to do with your time and money than wait in line to sink your it on drinks that are overpriced and underpoured in a hot, stuffy, crowded pit full of idiots in the first place...

I refuse to wait in line at any drnking establishment, nowhere is THAT cool...

[Dollarmansteve]

I think it's a great idea.

The city of Toronto found a way to levy a tax (by proxy) on the illegal drug trade that is operated throughout the nightclubs downtown.

[Ravage]

Originally Posted by Casa Nova

lol no he isnt anymore. its some next guy, cant remember his name.

David Miller

[tranza]

That's no good.... All the nightclubs will increase prices someway to keep their profitability.

In the end, consumers will be paying for this new tax.

[aico]

so stand in the street, jesus, do I have to think of everything?

[Dollarmansteve]

Originally Posted by tranza

That's no good.... All the nightclubs will increase prices someway to keep their profitability.

In the end, consumers will be paying for this new tax.

a) club owners in toronto are corrupt (bribing cops, fire inspectors, city employees, etc)
b) clubs make money from allowing gangs, bikers, etc to sell drugs on the premises.

[JayDeeZee]

I too think it's a great idea. Try and keep them inside! There's way too much fighting going on down there.

[Jman]

I've never seen a ligne at Kama Sutra ;-)

[MarkMan]

1st. you people should know the clubs pay for the police presents in the first place.

yes .. they pay off duty police officers to watch and guard the clubs.

what doesn't make any since is this stupid tax, how can they charge a rent fee for using the side walk when the side walk belongs to the Establishment in the first place.

yes.. that is actually the property of the owner.. its just that the city confiscate it for the use of the public
when you actually look at property lines when you buy a property in Toronto .. you would see the side walk is part of your property

so .. now they will charge club owners rent fee to rent their own space back

lol .. unbelievable

if clubs cause crimes then charge them for that .. a tax to increase overall police presents . but don't charge them to rent their own properties .. that's just crazy

[Kevsh]

They tax those that don't have a voice (or a voice that they care about). If they imposed a tax for lawyers and doctor's offices it wouldn't go anywhere: They are considered a "somebody", club owners and patrons are not.

(And yes, I know that the lawyer/doctor offices aren't, typically at least, on the street, just trying to make a point )

[The Truth Hurts]

why would there be a need for a police presence or security?

I was under the impression that there was no violence or no guns, and it's so peaceful up there that everybody leaves just their doors and windows unlocked..

[starpimps]

fuckin canada eh...i should move back to alberta less tax

[Tom_PM]

In the US, some local governments require Home Depot to install shelter and bathroom facilities outside where the illegal immigrants hang out trying to get some american to hire them to do home improvements or landscaping. Home Depot, Lowes and such stores are trying to get an amendment into the immigration bill that will overrule these local laws.

Amazing that you these people can be complete lawbreakers, AND the governments not only dont care, they force legal businesses to shelter them!

What a couple of retarded governments we have..

[Tickler]

I wonder how much they would charge when I get wasted, and start doing my 6-lane sidewalk stroll.

[BuggyG]

so.. waiting in line for a bus.. lining up for a store sale... tickets for show/concert.. etc..etc.. will all be taxable now???

[Brad]

Ya, it's pretty fucked up indeed. Along with the alcohol tax they have also proposed, this is getting well out of hand.

I was saying to my friends yesterday that if they are actually successful in passing these taxes I am going into politics, either as a city councillor or perhaps mayor. The problem is that I fucking loath politicians and have little to no interest in being in the public eye. That said, someone with some strength of conviction needs to step up and put an end to this shit. Luckily I have a background in politics, having taken it in university and being active when I was younger in campaigns at the city and provincial level. So who knows, I may have a snowballs chance in hell of being elected.

[Brad]

Originally Posted by The Truth Hurts

why would there be a need for a police presence or security?

I was under the impression that there was no violence or no guns, and it's so peaceful up there that everybody leaves just their doors and windows unlocked..

That's only a partial truth. Where I went to university I never locked my door and never had any problems (the city was half a million). But you have to take into account that in the club district there are lots of people in a small place and most of them are drunk. That is always going to be a recipe for disaster, or at the very least result in a few minor altercations. It is not a reflection of what it is like to live in Canada. Also you have to keep in mind that Toronto is not a very good indication of what Canada is like as a country, we just happen to be the biggest city.

[urbanpimp]

Originally Posted by Casa Nova

WHAT THE HELL! Toronto is trying to implement a tax to club owners where they will have to rent out space on the sidewalk since there customers wait in line there?! This will obviously fall off onto the patrons shoulders to pay in higher drink prices/cover etc!!

When will the government stop taxing everything for extra cash?! Greedy Bastards!

That's the price we pay for our wonderful social safety net here in Canada.
Taxes, taxes & more taxes!!!!

[madawgz]

thats a fucked up tax

[wyldblyss]

Here in my city I think they charge clubs/cafe's for the sidewalk space they use for serving outdoors...don't think they charge for people just standing there though. Talk about a tax grab

[tranza]

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

a) club owners in toronto are corrupt (bribing cops, fire inspectors, city employees, etc)
b) clubs make money from allowing gangs, bikers, etc to sell drugs on the premises.

Damn, I did not know that.