SmokeyTheBear

hmm suprise suprise they found steroids in his house..

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No but they sure as hell don't help. Friend of mine is on this shit and he's raging all the time since he started doing it.

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I'm going to say something that I know is going to make me sound like an ass but it's the truth. I booked Chris Benoit for a series of autograph shows back in 1999 and got to know him a little bit, and he was nothing but a laid back, respectful guy that just liked to be left alone. He was just one of those guys that would be friendly and could be talkative if you caught him on the right day, but for the most part he just kept to himself and was pretty mellow.

I have a pretty long history with ECW and did some promotional work for them back in 1998, along with helping out at some live shows up until early 2001. New Jack from ECW was my roommate for several years, and to this day I have a good relationship with many of the old ECW guys. When ECW went bankrupt in 2001 many of the wrestlers still didn't have computers or internet access, so I took over bookings for several of them to make sure they still had money coming in while they tried to catch on with WWE or WCW.

I ran into Nancy Benoit backstage at a few ECW shows in Florida when she was visiting (this was around 1998 and she was engaged to Benoit but they weren't married yet), and to say this woman was an evil cunt that nobody could stand to be around is the understatement of the year. Don't get me wrong, I would never wish anything bad to happen to her and I am truly saddened that this happened, but that doesn't change who she was.

New Jack was pretty friendly with Benoit, and I heard a lot of rumors from Jack and other wrestlers about some pretty sick shit that she would pull on him to fuck with his head. I won't get into what was said, but it did involve the kid.

Let's just say that this whole incident isn't black and white, and although the fact remains he killed his wife and kid and that is unforgivable, there is a lot more to this story that contributed to him snapping.

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Obviously you cannot blame that on the roids alone, but they certainly didn't help... And as far as the roid rage effect, I've seen a couple people take this shit and get affected to very different levels.

The guy I was talking about was already fucked up in the head but it made it 10x worse.

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they just mentioned on cnn they found needle marks in the sons arms..

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PersianKitty

Would make sense that Benoit might have sedated him since according to the timeline he killed his wife sometime on Friday and the boy either late Saturday or early Sunday.

Wonder if family members and friends will ever know what was behind all of it.

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I am quoting from news reports citing court/police documents. That's called evidence vs. the speculation that steroids were a factor, a theory started about 2 minutes after the news was reported!

No, I don't know the tox results - nobody does, which further validates my point. Why on earth is everyone racing to conclusions when so little facts are in?

What we know:
- Chris and Nancy had marriage problems (they filed for divorce)
- Court docs show she was trying to get custody of their son
- In 2003 she filed a complaint with police citing abuse from Chris
- Medications and steroids were found in the house
- Police are saying the evidence suggests he killed his wife, then son, before hanging himself Monday

What we don't know:
- What Chris was like as a person.
- What events occurred in the hours, days and weeks prior to this.
- What other evidence was found at the house.
- If Chris was "on" steroids when this happened.
- If he (or his wife) was drunk, doing coke, on anti-depressants or any other drugs this weekend.

When the real investigators (i.e. the Sheriff's office) releases it's findings, it will do so after a full investigation of the scene, the autopsy results, discussions with friends and family and so on.

Here at GFY we are all speculating based on the thin information we have and making broad assumptions.

That's all I'm saying ... and sorry it took so long to say it ;)

PersianKitty

Found in some of the reading about the Benoit stuff that Sherri Martel (Sensational Sherri) was found dead on June 15th. Reports are that it wasn't homicide so that means something likely self-induced..

Boy.. seems like alot of these wrestlers have lived hard and fast lives and died before their time.

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Absolutely.
Unlike other pro sports, they don't have off-seasons. They travel far more than any other sport. They also have a huge physical toll on their bodies compared to *any* other sport. They make less money compared to the major sports so the pressure is greater to compete more and stay in the sport longer.

And yes, I am calling it a sport because of the physical demands - it may be fake but just watch any event and you'll see just how real it is, those bodyslams, suplexes, chops, chairs to the head, etc. DO hurt.

SmokeyTheBear

your evidence is the same evidence we have , news reports. so yes we are all junior detectives theorizing on hearsay

Why would someone speculate steroids right off the bat ? hmm perhaps because he was like 5'9 200 lbs wrestler..
and now that we know steroids were found in the house and his son had track marks on his arm , seems like that assumption may have not been far off the mark..

i dont think anyone is rushing to a "conclusion" , its just speculation , everyone speculates even with zero info..

all that could have to do with his steroid abuse..

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Yes, and you seem to be the only one here remotely qualified to comment on him as a person. But does talking with him a few times years ago doesn't mean you have much more insight into what happened this weekend?

It is well-known in wrestling circles what Chris and Nancy were like but, yes, the part about her behaviour may be relevant... in any event, let's wait for the real investigators to do their work before saying it was steroids?

As for the drug policy, I'm aware of it - For one, Chris Masters was suspended last year for violating it. But the fact they test now shows it is possible that just because he had steroids in the house he wasn't currently using them...

Kevsh

No, it's not.
Let me clarify: The first steroid accusations I read were hours after he died - before it was even clear it was a murder/suicide. Since then news reports have said they found steroids in the house. So yes, I'd call that fact (just like the court and police reports).

None of that is hearsay - unless you know absolutely nothing about the law
Everything beyond that is speculation.

When the police found steroids and medication in their house, did they call off the investigation saying "Gee, it must have been the 'roids that caused him to do it. Case closed"?

Arguing about whether steroids played a role (or could have) is pretty silly at this point and baseless.

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I think you misunderstood me. I don't believe steroids had anything to do with it. Going off of my opinion of him (granted it was only a few meetings), and my old roommate's, who was really close with him, along with several of the other ECW wrestlers, I believe she caused him to snap.

I did find it funny how much smaller Chris Masters was after he cane back on TV...

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I'm laughing my ass off as people are trying to defend 'roid rage in this thread. The guy was obviously unbalanced and the steroids more than likely had a large part to play in his behavior in this event.

Pornwolf

It would take something serious to make a man snap like that. If the wife was fucking with his head and he was a steroid user that could be just the push he needed to go over the edge. It makes sense.

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SmokeyTheBear

like i said this is because he is a wrestler with an abnormal physique

So its going to be the first "assumption"

Hearsay is "second-hand" information. It occurs when a witness testifies NOT about something they personally saw or heard, but testifies about something someone else told them or said they saw.

so in a nutshell its hearsay..


why would they say that and who is suggesting they should act in such a manner ? nobody in this thread nor anyone i have heard..



we will never know if steroids played a role in the killing . but we can theorize based on what information we do have..

if he had 4 times the avg dose of steroids in him would you say steroids played a role or not ?

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d-null

There were BIBLES found throughout the crime scene, it seems that religion may have played a large part in his behaviour in this event.

voa

This is so fuck up.

Odin

It's also KNOWN as the most overtalked side-effect from roids. I have no doubt this guy was stacking everything under the sun (as most wrestlers do), so it is quite probable it did cause him to get a bit of rage though. But steroids hardly send someone into a crazy spin on that level even if provoked. And yeah, roids aren't really bad if you take them correctly, and no I don't use them but know a lot of people who have and do take them responsibly. There is alot of unnecessary hype built up around them, I wouldn't recommend them to people, but if you're a smart, responsible person who has a goal to reach they can certainly be a very positive thing.

sirkakashi08

that was tragic!

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SxDx

lots of people in here that are apparently experts on steroids, 'roid rage' and HGH.

how long did you guys have to go to school to become doctors? And what are you doing here? shouldn't you be seeing patients??

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You don't have to go to Medical school to learn about steroids. In fact, a small amount of research will make you better educated in the subject that many North American MDS.

Steroids in many forms are sold over the counter in places other than the USA / Canada. Shit, in Costa Rica I can go in to the pharmacy and buy preloaded Sustanon 250 and even get the damned pharmacist to give me the shot if I want. Same goes for HGH.

If "roid rage" was really the way the uneducated think of it as, wouldn't body building competitions and gyms be fucking war zones? Think about how much product body builders do. It'd make whatever Chris Benoit may have used look like a child's portion.

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of course you don't have to go to medical school to 'learn' about steroids, but people are posing themselves as thought they know everything there is to know about steriods in here having only read about it on the net.

i can't say anything more than what i read as well, but i'm not the one making assumptions and judgments on here like many are.

it bothers me when people label, judge and assume things without intimate knowledge of the details.

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No, I would not say that.
You are completely missing my point, still!

There are many, many factors that may have been involved in this crime. We know very, very few details. Even if he had enough steroids in his body, what does that prove? Without out the rest of the big picture it is ALL speculation.

Dammit people, talk about tunnel-vision!
Steroids were found in home = Steroids is why he killed his family???

Ridiculous.

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boneprone

Shit bro opened a can of worms with the whole she may have asked for it theme..

But I agree with the Benoit part about him being a mellow easy going person. A nice guy. That seems to be the person he was decribed to be throughout.
He was a hard working good person. Thats all you hear from the descriptions people give who knew him..

Which only raises the while steroid issue more.. What casued this otherwise stable nice person to crack like this and murder his family..

Many of us have bitchy women in our lives.. But we dont kill em.. People of his status and income just divorce..

Something made him crack and do this... How could you not point to steriods..

As you and many who knew him had said this is just uncharacteristic of him to even think he could do something like this.

Something made him crack. I think effects of long term steriod and pain killer use is more likely the casue than his wife being a bitch.

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WarChild

Up to this point you could be describing Scott Peterson. No steroids made him cut up Lacey and his unborn child.

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His "coming out" party didn't quite go as expected.

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SmokeyTheBear

so if someone had 4 times the dose they usually took of steroids you dont think it played a role ..

cmon now ..


You are completely missing my point, still!
thats exactly what i said above.


you are the only one making such a claim. everyone else is saying it MAY have played a role

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SmokeyTheBear

i didnt see anyone claim to be an expert or suggest that steroids were the only factor..

If he had plowed head-on into big rig and they found alcohol on him and booze bottles scattered over the car, would you say alcohol probably plaid a major role in the accident ? do you have to be a medical expert to make such an assumption ?

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Pleasurepays

i've used quite a bit of testosterone, EQ, Winstrol, deca and HGH and i know plenty of competitive body builders that never go off cycles. as Warchild and I have both pointed out.. its more common that anyone realizes, the "negatives" about steroids are GREATLY over-stated (i'm not talking about the risks of obscene abuse and using counterfeit drugs) and saying that some guy killing his family just because he is big .. must have something to do with steroids is ridiculous and only a comment that someone who knows nothing about the subject could make.

as i have said... i dont know a lot about scientology... but if tom cruise killed katie tomorrow, i would automatically assume its because he's a fucking lunatic... not because he is a scientologist.

boneprone

Unreal.....

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unreal is that somehow, in the minds of many of you... you can't see a contradiction with "roid rage is probably responsible" and "he's a really nice guy, who is very mellow and likable" - either you are irritable and aggressive as a result of the drugs you are doing a cycle or coming off a cycle ... or you aren't. even then... we are talking about killing a wife and child... not bitch slapping the guy in line in front of you at the grocery store because he called you an asshole.

its quite a contradiction to simultaneously argue that a guy is capable of murdering his wife and kid but otherwise is a really great guy thats fun to be around and have to admit in the process that no one saw all this "murderous aggression" much less experienced it themselves... and that in spite of millions of people who take testosterone, hgh or other androgenic and anabolic steroids (or combinations of 2 or 3)... only one guy killed his family as a result.

Gumballs

WTF! could be going on in someones head to kill his own child and wife I have no fucking idea.

But especially his own kid. WTF!

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no, but a lot of people in this thread were very quick to come to the conclusion that steroids were the "for sure" cause of this horrible crime because they've heard the media talk about something called 'roid rage' and blah blah blah. i was simply pointing out that no one in here knows what caused it and that to assume anything at all at this point was presumptuous and ignorant.

finding booze bottles in a car immediately following an accident is a COMPLETELY different story than the benoit situation. if you find people dead on the floor and their murderer dead next to an open bottle of pills (of any kind), it's not safe to assume that that's what caused him to murder...that's why there are investigators, toxicologists, CSI teams, etc...

my old coach told us when we were 10 years old that people that ASSUME on his team makes an "ASS out U and ME."

i find that you can apply that statement to most walks of life.

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SmokeyTheBear

i didnt see any of those people. all i saw were people making guesses. He is a wrestler with an abnormal physique so steroids in the first guess. then they found them in his house , that only further bolsters any "steroid rage" assumptions.

presumptious yes , ignorant no. thats what people do is make guesses based on available information.. there will never become a point where we will know for sure what caused him to flip out. but we can make a guess based on the fact we know roid rage exists and we know he had steroids. and specifically the kind that make you have "roid rage"

if we find out he took no steroids , we can rule steroids out. until then it would be silly to dismiss steroids based on nothing..

without any other evidence to go on , and as we havent heard from tox reports all we can do is guess based on what info we have.. evidence points to steroids..

And i think any sane person finding a double murder suicide and find a drug that is know to cause "rage" would probably make the same guess.

your coach was talking about sports.. not gfy

if i saw a guy with a chainsaw outside my door , it would be an "assumption" he was going to chainsaw me to death but im certainly going to prepare based on what available evidence i have . i dont need a toxociologist to tell me " yep he was on pcp and trying to kill you therefore its prob a good idea to move out of the way "

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It's a sad story.

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Interesting point of view. There is always two sides to a story. Still a tragedy regardless. I used to hit all the ECW Arena shows and was there for the last show. Good times...I don't even watch wrestling anymore. Such bullshit....

boneprone

Poor Chavo Gurrero..

Both those close to him in the biz are dead now..

Shit.

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people keep talking about what a nice guy he was, and etc etc. fact is, alot of the time, the craziest most psychotic motherfuckers are the people you would NEVER expect. look at many well known serial killers and you'll see that alot of them were very charming and quite graceful socially. sometimes the people who seem too nice to commit a crime like this are the ones who are hiding their darkside the most...

Kevsh

Apparently his wife didn't agree, she cited abuse from Chris several years ago. As well, if you notice what friends so far have said about him: Intense, dedicated, etc., "nice guy" seems to have oddly been left out.

He was reserved, true, but I think those around him knew he definitely had a darkside.

tical

Robert Blake & OJ weren't on roids were they?

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I didn't make the last show because Jack had left and was working for XPW at that point, so I was in LA at an XPW show. I did make the majority of them, though, so I'm sure I probably ran into you at some point. I still watch wrestling a little bit, but not so much WWE. Gabe Sapolsky, the guy that used to work for ECW and was always selling programs ringside at the ECW Arena shows, started an organization called Ring of Honor that it actually very fun to watch and kind of reminiscent of the old ECW.

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