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moneybiz · 06-22-2007, 03:12 PM

With the setup below, how many sites can you have hosted,linked together while remaing "seo friendly" and not getting in trouble for spam?

# 20 IPs / 10 class C
# 2 IPs per Class C
# 10 Nameservers
# 3,000 MB of Storage
# 25 GB Transfer
# Unix / Linux
# H-Sphere Control Panel
# PHP / MySQL
# Unlimited Domains

MarkRotolo · 06-22-2007, 03:12 PM

- Mark

Donkey Punch · 06-22-2007, 03:13 PM

Twenty Web Sites.

moneybiz · 06-22-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Donkey Punch

Twenty Web Sites.

Thanks by why is that?

mortenb · 06-22-2007, 03:21 PM

with an intelligent interlinking strategy I wouldn't worry about putting 10+ domains on each IP. As a matter of fact I am doing that right now and I get my share of SE traffic and then some.

moneybiz · 06-22-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb

with an intelligent interlinking strategy I wouldn't worry about putting 10+ domains on each IP. As a matter of fact I am doing that right now and I get my share of SE traffic and then some.

so only possible way is with a good script?

MarkRotolo · 06-22-2007, 03:25 PM

seo doesn't work.

c-lo · 06-22-2007, 03:32 PM

You can have several websites linked together on one IP and as long as you have other sites as well, you most likely will not get penalized. Also, I'd recommend having more than 25gb transfer if you plan on fully utilizing all those IPs. Good luck!

MarkRotolo · 06-22-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by c-lo

You can have several websites linked together on one IP and as long as you have other sites as well, you most likely will not get penalized. Also, I'd recommend having more than 25gb transfer if you plan on fully utilizing all those IPs. Good luck!

That wont provide a lot of SEO value though

moneybiz · 06-22-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by c-lo

You can have several websites linked together on one IP and as long as you have other sites as well, you most likely will not get penalized. Also, I'd recommend having more than 25gb transfer if you plan on fully utilizing all those IPs. Good luck!

thanks clo

c-lo · 06-22-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkRotolo

That wont provide a lot of SEO value though

I don't understand exactly what you mean in terms of 'value.'

mortenb · 06-22-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by moneybiz

so only possible way is with a good script?

No, it is very possible without any scripts. Scripts just makes things easier.
Your best bet would be to read up on interlinking strategies and how the SE's react to them.

The IP thing is a discussion that is never going to die. Some say that having each domain on a unique IP is necessary to get a good possition and traffic and some say it doesn't really matter that much.
I lean towards it not mattering. Several domains of my domains on shared hosting has #1 positions in google for pretty competitive keywords and those domains are on servers that have literally hundreds of domains on the same IP.

tranza · 06-22-2007, 03:39 PM

10 websites actually.

baddog · 06-22-2007, 03:55 PM

there is more to linking strategy than just having IP's on different C's.

If your host can't explain that to you then there is a problem.

mortenb · 06-22-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

there is more to linking strategy than just having IP's on different C's.

If your host can't explain that to you then there is a problem.

wow, you made sense.
although relying on your host for your seo strategy seems off to me

Barefootsies · 06-22-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb

wow, you made sense.
although relying on your host for your seo strategy seems off to me

baddog · 06-22-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb

wow, you made sense.
although relying on your host for your seo strategy seems off to me

You don't think that if a host is providing a specialty product they should also be able to tell you how to best utilize it?

mortenb · 06-22-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You don't think that if a host is providing a specialty product they should also be able to tell you how to best utilize it?

No, because if that host is focusing on anything outside of hosting, then they shouldn't be a host. Hosts should focus on their core business and doing that perfectly. There is no such thing as an SEO host - that is a term you've made up to sell hosting packages that are no different than what tons of us have been getting from our hosts for years. Selling hosting packages with IP's doesn't mean you know shit about SE's.

baddog · 06-22-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb

No, because if that host is focusing on anything outside of hosting, then they shouldn't be a host. Hosts should focus on their core business and doing that perfectly. There is no such thing as an SEO host - that is a term you've made up to sell hosting packages that are no different than what tons of us have been getting from our hosts for years. Selling hosting packages with IP's doesn't mean you know shit about SE's.

We will have to agree to disagree then.

The fact that the guy that started this thread doesn't know what to do with the package provided proves to me that providing guidance to our customers is a positive thing.

It isn't like I have to sit in a datacenter waiting for something to break.

OG LennyT · 06-22-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb

There is no such thing as an SEO host - that is a term you've made up to sell hosting packages that are no different than what tons of us have been getting from our hosts for years..

LOL.. ouch

baddog · 06-22-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OG LennyT

LOL.. ouch

would be ouch if he had a clue . . .

mortenb · 06-22-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

We will have to agree to disagree then.

The fact that the guy that started this thread doesn't know what to do with the package provided proves to me that providing guidance to our customers is a positive thing.

It isn't like I have to sit in a datacenter waiting for something to break.

yes, well, imo the only guidance a host should be making in regards to the actual content and structure of a site is the technical problems, like recommending how much ram a server that is running the mysql services for a big site should have.
In regards to SEO, a few links to some SEO forums would be the way to go.

mortenb · 06-22-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

would be ouch if he had a clue . . .

That's just lovely

baddog · 06-22-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb

yes, well, imo the only guidance a host should be making in regards to the actual content and structure of a site is the technical problems, like recommending how much ram a server that is running the mysql services for a big site should have.
In regards to SEO, a few links to some SEO forums would be the way to go.

Like I said, we will have to agree to disagree.

bonkerz2007 · 06-22-2007, 04:57 PM

simple answer...10 websites.

with proper htaccess setup and pagerank optimized site interlinking you can probably squeeze twenty sites in.

hungry hungry hippy · 06-22-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

there is more to linking strategy than just having IP's on different C's.

If your host can't explain that to you then there is a problem.

please explain, i would love to hear this from you as you seem extremely knowledgeable in seo!

baddog · 06-22-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy

please explain, i would love to hear this from you as you seem extremely knowledgeable in seo!

Too many unknown variables to give specifics. Suffice it to say that just because you have different C's it does not mean you have free reign to just start inter-linking between domains.

hungry hungry hippy · 06-22-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Too many unknown variables to give specifics. Suffice it to say that just because you have different C's it does not mean you have free reign to just start inter-linking between domains.

so you don't know anything more then? how can i best utilize!

baddog · 06-22-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy

so you don't know anything more then? how can i best utilize!

Without knowing the themes of the sites you have, nope.

moneybiz · 06-22-2007, 06:16 PM

cool replys very informative.

hungry hungry hippy · 06-22-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Without knowing the themes of the sites you have, nope.

why does my theme matter? you can't speak generally?

baddog · 06-22-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy

why does my theme matter? you can't speak generally?

I won't. When you become a client, we can talk.

V_RocKs · 06-22-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb

No, because if that host is focusing on anything outside of hosting, then they shouldn't be a host. Hosts should focus on their core business and doing that perfectly. There is no such thing as an SEO host - that is a term you've made up to sell hosting packages that are no different than what tons of us have been getting from our hosts for years. Selling hosting packages with IP's doesn't mean you know shit about SE's.

So stop using Google Adsense, Adwords, Analytics and anything else not related to their core model, searches...

You are a dumbass.

baddog · 06-22-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

So stop using Google Adsense, Adwords, Analytics and anything else not related to their core model, searches...

You are a dumbass.

is the ICQ # I have for you no longer valid?

V_RocKs · 06-22-2007, 10:57 PM

@Baddog
Is it the one under my nickname here at GFY?

161124816 is no longer valid...

909127 my new(ish) short ICQ...

hungry hungry hippy · 06-24-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I won't. When you become a client, we can talk.

so you can't tell me how your service will benefit me seo wise unless i become a client? lol ...

baddog · 06-24-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy

so you can't tell me how your service will benefit me seo wise unless i become a client? lol ...

You are asking two different questions. Combined with the fact that if you were truly interested you would have approached me directly, I can only presume that you are not a potential customer.

hungry hungry hippy · 06-24-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You are asking two different questions. Combined with the fact that if you were truly interested you would have approached me directly, I can only presume that you are not a potential customer.

two different questions? i want to know how your service will benefit me seo wise.

i'm sure more potential customers want to know this too, so why not answer publicly?

baddog · 06-24-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy

two different questions?

Yes, you asked two separate questions.

1. How to best utilize multiple Class C's
2. How we can benefit you SEO wise.

When you can learn to count, feel free to contact me directly, then you can post my answers here.

Without knowing anything about what you have, what you do, what your goals are, I have no idea if we can help you or not.

We have plenty of customers that know how we benefit them, and I did not have to spoon feed them to convince them of such.

hungry hungry hippy · 06-24-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Yes, you asked two separate questions.

1. How to best utilize multiple Class C's
2. How we can benefit you SEO wise.

When you can learn to count, feel free to contact me directly, then you can post my answers here.

Without knowing anything about what you have, what you do, what your goals are, I have no idea if we can help you or not.

We have plenty of customers that know how we benefit them, and I did not have to spoon feed them to convince them of such.

aww.. i think someone is scared to answer publicaly, why don't you just admit you don't know jack shit about seo and you're just peddling some bullshit service to people who are naive and uninformed?

no wonder people think you're a fucking idiot. hahaha

baddog · 06-24-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy

aww.. i think someone is scared to answer publicaly, why don't you just admit you don't know jack shit about seo and you're just peddling some bullshit service to people who are naive and uninformed?

no wonder people think you're a fucking idiot. hahaha

At our rates I am confident that our clients are far from naive and uninformed.

Deej · 06-24-2007, 10:53 AM

jesus... ill sit here while my databases import...

mmmmm coffee

hungry hungry hippy · 06-24-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

At our rates I am confident that our clients are far from naive and uninformed.

lmao paying that much money for that yes they are naive.

hosting your own farms is old news. but shh.. don't let your customers know that.

baddog · 06-24-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy

lmao paying that much money for that yes they are naive.

hosting your own farms is old news. but shh.. don't let your customers know that.

That response, combined with your other 56 posts have confirmed to me that I have you pegged. You already think you know it all, and nothing I say will not be rebutted by you. To save you the trouble of addressing me, you can rebute these authorities:

Google: You questioned why I needed to know what themes your sites were. If they are all of different themes, this does not apply.

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* Near-Duplicate Content Filter = If multiple search results contain identical titles and snippets, then only one of the documents is returned.
* Host Crowding = If multiple results come from the same Web host, then only the first two are returned

Now, you will find some people that will say, "well, that only applies if the filter is on." They are correct, however, the filter on is the default setting. I highly doubt any surfer is going to go thru the effort, primarily because, why bother? They don't care.

GotWebHost provides SEO web hosting plans for companies concerned with host crowding penalties associated with search engine optimization.

Bruce Clay:

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About 3% of all web sites "own" a private IP number, with the remainder being on virtual, or name-based, servers. Although only 3% are dedicated IP's, we have seen that in many instances well over 90% of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. This was so strange that we have repeatedly validated these findings, and have found that switching a site from a virtual IP to a dedicated IP number alone has caused significant ranking increases. Of course, the web is so dynamic that this could be coincidence, but we do not think so.

Got Web Host does not share its IP's among its clients whether they are on dedicated, VPS or virtual hosting plans.

hungry hungry hippy · 06-24-2007, 06:01 PM

oh hi, another nice response. i assume you believe in the dupe content myth. and host crowding? come on lol. do you really believe that shit? i guess you do since you can use it to get more customers, why not?

i'll say it again .. hosted farms are old news. and who the fuck is bruce clay? let me guess, some self proclaimed guru?

i love whitehat idiots.

excuse my 58 posts, i just like bashing idiots who obviously have no clue.

cheers

baddog · 06-24-2007, 06:24 PM

Like I predicted. Rebut them.

hungry hungry hippy · 06-24-2007, 07:18 PM

rebut them how? i don't believe in them. i don't believe in a duplicate content filter, nor do i belive that you can have 'host crowding'. i have never had any penalty hosting on a shared server with 2000 other sites.

come again?

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moneybiz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,391	seo question ? ? ? ? With the setup below, how many sites can you have hosted,linked together while remaing "seo friendly" and not getting in trouble for spam? # 20 IPs / 10 class C # 2 IPs per Class C # 10 Nameservers # 3,000 MB of Storage # 25 GB Transfer # Unix / Linux # H-Sphere Control Panel # PHP / MySQL # Unlimited Domains

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mortenb Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Denmark ICQ: 7880009 Posts: 2,203	with an intelligent interlinking strategy I wouldn't worry about putting 10+ domains on each IP. As a matter of fact I am doing that right now and I get my share of SE traffic and then some.

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MarkRotolo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 32	seo doesn't work.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	there is more to linking strategy than just having IP's on different C's. If your host can't explain that to you then there is a problem.

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bonkerz2007 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 794	simple answer...10 websites. with proper htaccess setup and pagerank optimized site interlinking you can probably squeeze twenty sites in.

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moneybiz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,391	cool replys very informative.

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,420	@Baddog Is it the one under my nickname here at GFY? 161124816 is no longer valid... 909127 my new(ish) short ICQ...

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hungry hungry hippy Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 249	oh hi, another nice response. i assume you believe in the dupe content myth. and host crowding? come on lol. do you really believe that shit? i guess you do since you can use it to get more customers, why not? i'll say it again .. hosted farms are old news. and who the fuck is bruce clay? let me guess, some self proclaimed guru? i love whitehat idiots. excuse my 58 posts, i just like bashing idiots who obviously have no clue. cheers

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Like I predicted. Rebut them.

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hungry hungry hippy Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 249	rebut them how? i don't believe in them. i don't believe in a duplicate content filter, nor do i belive that you can have 'host crowding'. i have never had any penalty hosting on a shared server with 2000 other sites. come again?