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moneybiz 06-22-2007 03:12 PM

seo question ? ? ? ?
 
With the setup below, how many sites can you have hosted,linked together while remaing "seo friendly" and not getting in trouble for spam?

# 20 IPs / 10 class C
# 2 IPs per Class C
# 10 Nameservers
# 3,000 MB of Storage
# 25 GB Transfer
# Unix / Linux
# H-Sphere Control Panel
# PHP / MySQL
# Unlimited Domains

MarkRotolo 06-22-2007 03:12 PM

:banana

- Mark

Donkey Punch 06-22-2007 03:13 PM

Twenty Web Sites.

moneybiz 06-22-2007 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Donkey Punch (Post 12643330)
Twenty Web Sites.

Thanks by why is that?

mortenb 06-22-2007 03:21 PM

with an intelligent interlinking strategy I wouldn't worry about putting 10+ domains on each IP. As a matter of fact I am doing that right now and I get my share of SE traffic and then some.

moneybiz 06-22-2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb (Post 12643383)
with an intelligent interlinking strategy I wouldn't worry about putting 10+ domains on each IP. As a matter of fact I am doing that right now and I get my share of SE traffic and then some.

so only possible way is with a good script?

MarkRotolo 06-22-2007 03:25 PM

seo doesn't work.

c-lo 06-22-2007 03:32 PM

You can have several websites linked together on one IP and as long as you have other sites as well, you most likely will not get penalized. Also, I'd recommend having more than 25gb transfer if you plan on fully utilizing all those IPs. Good luck!

MarkRotolo 06-22-2007 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by c-lo (Post 12643432)
You can have several websites linked together on one IP and as long as you have other sites as well, you most likely will not get penalized. Also, I'd recommend having more than 25gb transfer if you plan on fully utilizing all those IPs. Good luck!


That wont provide a lot of SEO value though

moneybiz 06-22-2007 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by c-lo (Post 12643432)
You can have several websites linked together on one IP and as long as you have other sites as well, you most likely will not get penalized. Also, I'd recommend having more than 25gb transfer if you plan on fully utilizing all those IPs. Good luck!


thanks clo

c-lo 06-22-2007 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkRotolo (Post 12643438)
That wont provide a lot of SEO value though

I don't understand exactly what you mean in terms of 'value.'

mortenb 06-22-2007 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by moneybiz (Post 12643402)
so only possible way is with a good script?

No, it is very possible without any scripts. Scripts just makes things easier.
Your best bet would be to read up on interlinking strategies and how the SE's react to them.

The IP thing is a discussion that is never going to die. Some say that having each domain on a unique IP is necessary to get a good possition and traffic and some say it doesn't really matter that much.
I lean towards it not mattering. Several domains of my domains on shared hosting has #1 positions in google for pretty competitive keywords and those domains are on servers that have literally hundreds of domains on the same IP.

tranza 06-22-2007 03:39 PM

10 websites actually.

baddog 06-22-2007 03:55 PM

there is more to linking strategy than just having IP's on different C's.

If your host can't explain that to you then there is a problem.

mortenb 06-22-2007 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12643557)
there is more to linking strategy than just having IP's on different C's.

If your host can't explain that to you then there is a problem.

wow, you made sense.
although relying on your host for your seo strategy seems off to me

Barefootsies 06-22-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb (Post 12643592)
wow, you made sense.
although relying on your host for your seo strategy seems off to me

:1orglaugh

baddog 06-22-2007 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb (Post 12643592)
wow, you made sense.
although relying on your host for your seo strategy seems off to me

You don't think that if a host is providing a specialty product they should also be able to tell you how to best utilize it?

mortenb 06-22-2007 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12643616)
You don't think that if a host is providing a specialty product they should also be able to tell you how to best utilize it?

No, because if that host is focusing on anything outside of hosting, then they shouldn't be a host. Hosts should focus on their core business and doing that perfectly. There is no such thing as an SEO host - that is a term you've made up to sell hosting packages that are no different than what tons of us have been getting from our hosts for years. Selling hosting packages with IP's doesn't mean you know shit about SE's.

baddog 06-22-2007 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb (Post 12643654)
No, because if that host is focusing on anything outside of hosting, then they shouldn't be a host. Hosts should focus on their core business and doing that perfectly. There is no such thing as an SEO host - that is a term you've made up to sell hosting packages that are no different than what tons of us have been getting from our hosts for years. Selling hosting packages with IP's doesn't mean you know shit about SE's.

We will have to agree to disagree then.

The fact that the guy that started this thread doesn't know what to do with the package provided proves to me that providing guidance to our customers is a positive thing.

It isn't like I have to sit in a datacenter waiting for something to break.

OG LennyT 06-22-2007 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb (Post 12643654)
There is no such thing as an SEO host - that is a term you've made up to sell hosting packages that are no different than what tons of us have been getting from our hosts for years..

LOL.. ouch :error

baddog 06-22-2007 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OG LennyT (Post 12643685)
LOL.. ouch :error

would be ouch if he had a clue . . .

mortenb 06-22-2007 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12643677)
We will have to agree to disagree then.

The fact that the guy that started this thread doesn't know what to do with the package provided proves to me that providing guidance to our customers is a positive thing.

It isn't like I have to sit in a datacenter waiting for something to break.

yes, well, imo the only guidance a host should be making in regards to the actual content and structure of a site is the technical problems, like recommending how much ram a server that is running the mysql services for a big site should have.
In regards to SEO, a few links to some SEO forums would be the way to go.

mortenb 06-22-2007 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12643695)
would be ouch if he had a clue . . .

That's just lovely :thumbsup :helpme

baddog 06-22-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb (Post 12643706)
yes, well, imo the only guidance a host should be making in regards to the actual content and structure of a site is the technical problems, like recommending how much ram a server that is running the mysql services for a big site should have.
In regards to SEO, a few links to some SEO forums would be the way to go.

Like I said, we will have to agree to disagree.

bonkerz2007 06-22-2007 04:57 PM

simple answer...10 websites.

with proper htaccess setup and pagerank optimized site interlinking you can probably squeeze twenty sites in.

hungry hungry hippy 06-22-2007 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12643557)
there is more to linking strategy than just having IP's on different C's.

If your host can't explain that to you then there is a problem.

please explain, i would love to hear this from you as you seem extremely knowledgeable in seo!

baddog 06-22-2007 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy (Post 12643929)
please explain, i would love to hear this from you as you seem extremely knowledgeable in seo!

Too many unknown variables to give specifics. Suffice it to say that just because you have different C's it does not mean you have free reign to just start inter-linking between domains.

hungry hungry hippy 06-22-2007 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12643961)
Too many unknown variables to give specifics. Suffice it to say that just because you have different C's it does not mean you have free reign to just start inter-linking between domains.

so you don't know anything more then? how can i best utilize!

baddog 06-22-2007 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy (Post 12643987)
so you don't know anything more then? how can i best utilize!

Without knowing the themes of the sites you have, nope.

moneybiz 06-22-2007 06:16 PM

cool replys very informative.

hungry hungry hippy 06-22-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12644019)
Without knowing the themes of the sites you have, nope.

why does my theme matter? you can't speak generally?

baddog 06-22-2007 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy (Post 12644137)
why does my theme matter? you can't speak generally?

I won't. When you become a client, we can talk.

V_RocKs 06-22-2007 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb (Post 12643654)
No, because if that host is focusing on anything outside of hosting, then they shouldn't be a host. Hosts should focus on their core business and doing that perfectly. There is no such thing as an SEO host - that is a term you've made up to sell hosting packages that are no different than what tons of us have been getting from our hosts for years. Selling hosting packages with IP's doesn't mean you know shit about SE's.

So stop using Google Adsense, Adwords, Analytics and anything else not related to their core model, searches...

You are a dumbass.

baddog 06-22-2007 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 12644447)
So stop using Google Adsense, Adwords, Analytics and anything else not related to their core model, searches...

You are a dumbass.

is the ICQ # I have for you no longer valid?

V_RocKs 06-22-2007 10:57 PM

@Baddog
Is it the one under my nickname here at GFY?


161124816 is no longer valid...

909127 my new(ish) short ICQ...

hungry hungry hippy 06-24-2007 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12644407)
I won't. When you become a client, we can talk.

so you can't tell me how your service will benefit me seo wise unless i become a client? lol ...

baddog 06-24-2007 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy (Post 12650355)
so you can't tell me how your service will benefit me seo wise unless i become a client? lol ...

You are asking two different questions. Combined with the fact that if you were truly interested you would have approached me directly, I can only presume that you are not a potential customer.

hungry hungry hippy 06-24-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12650368)
You are asking two different questions. Combined with the fact that if you were truly interested you would have approached me directly, I can only presume that you are not a potential customer.

two different questions? i want to know how your service will benefit me seo wise.

i'm sure more potential customers want to know this too, so why not answer publicly?

:upsidedow

baddog 06-24-2007 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy (Post 12650399)
two different questions?

Yes, you asked two separate questions.

1. How to best utilize multiple Class C's
2. How we can benefit you SEO wise.

When you can learn to count, feel free to contact me directly, then you can post my answers here.

Without knowing anything about what you have, what you do, what your goals are, I have no idea if we can help you or not.

We have plenty of customers that know how we benefit them, and I did not have to spoon feed them to convince them of such.

hungry hungry hippy 06-24-2007 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12650438)
Yes, you asked two separate questions.

1. How to best utilize multiple Class C's
2. How we can benefit you SEO wise.

When you can learn to count, feel free to contact me directly, then you can post my answers here.

Without knowing anything about what you have, what you do, what your goals are, I have no idea if we can help you or not.

We have plenty of customers that know how we benefit them, and I did not have to spoon feed them to convince them of such.

aww.. i think someone is scared to answer publicaly, why don't you just admit you don't know jack shit about seo and you're just peddling some bullshit service to people who are naive and uninformed?

no wonder people think you're a fucking idiot. hahaha

baddog 06-24-2007 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy (Post 12650450)
aww.. i think someone is scared to answer publicaly, why don't you just admit you don't know jack shit about seo and you're just peddling some bullshit service to people who are naive and uninformed?

no wonder people think you're a fucking idiot. hahaha

At our rates I am confident that our clients are far from naive and uninformed.

Deej 06-24-2007 10:53 AM

jesus... ill sit here while my databases import...

mmmmm coffee

hungry hungry hippy 06-24-2007 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12650458)
At our rates I am confident that our clients are far from naive and uninformed.

lmao paying that much money for that yes they are naive.

hosting your own farms is old news. but shh.. don't let your customers know that.

baddog 06-24-2007 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hungry hungry hippy (Post 12650476)
lmao paying that much money for that yes they are naive.

hosting your own farms is old news. but shh.. don't let your customers know that.

That response, combined with your other 56 posts have confirmed to me that I have you pegged. You already think you know it all, and nothing I say will not be rebutted by you. To save you the trouble of addressing me, you can rebute these authorities:

Google: You questioned why I needed to know what themes your sites were. If they are all of different themes, this does not apply.


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* Near-Duplicate Content Filter = If multiple search results contain identical titles and snippets, then only one of the documents is returned.
* Host Crowding = If multiple results come from the same Web host, then only the first two are returned
Now, you will find some people that will say, "well, that only applies if the filter is on." They are correct, however, the filter on is the default setting. I highly doubt any surfer is going to go thru the effort, primarily because, why bother? They don't care.

GotWebHost provides SEO web hosting plans for companies concerned with host crowding penalties associated with search engine optimization.

Bruce Clay:
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About 3% of all web sites "own" a private IP number, with the remainder being on virtual, or name-based, servers. Although only 3% are dedicated IP's, we have seen that in many instances well over 90% of the top-50 results in the search engines are sites having dedicated IP numbers. This was so strange that we have repeatedly validated these findings, and have found that switching a site from a virtual IP to a dedicated IP number alone has caused significant ranking increases. Of course, the web is so dynamic that this could be coincidence, but we do not think so.
Got Web Host does not share its IP's among its clients whether they are on dedicated, VPS or virtual hosting plans.

hungry hungry hippy 06-24-2007 06:01 PM

oh hi, another nice response. i assume you believe in the dupe content myth. and host crowding? come on lol. do you really believe that shit? i guess you do since you can use it to get more customers, why not?

i'll say it again .. hosted farms are old news. and who the fuck is bruce clay? let me guess, some self proclaimed guru?

i love whitehat idiots.

excuse my 58 posts, i just like bashing idiots who obviously have no clue.

cheers :)

baddog 06-24-2007 06:24 PM

Like I predicted. Rebut them.

hungry hungry hippy 06-24-2007 07:18 PM

rebut them how? i don't believe in them. i don't believe in a duplicate content filter, nor do i belive that you can have 'host crowding'. i have never had any penalty hosting on a shared server with 2000 other sites.

come again? :)


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