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i knew sheeple would fall for mike moores propaganda again
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So that would leave me the option of getting a 9-5 and working for someone else. If I had a bad disease, their insurance company couldn't reject me, but they could raise the rates of the entire company. Most of the time the company will find a way to let you go instead of dishing out bigger rates for the company due to you. That is if I had insurance prior to starting, if not, they would simply exclude any pre-existing condition I had. |
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Great points. So many Candian doctors have left Canada to work in America because they can make more money here. Canadians foot the bill for that and they foot the bill for not having privatized options. Instead of the money staying in Canada, it goes into the pockets of institutions in America where people are allowed to pay for care. It's not that there aren't enough Canadian doctors graduating why many Canadians can't find a doctor. It's that Canadian doctors choose not to work in areas where they can't make the big mamoo (small towns etc) and they pack their bags for America. There must be some compromise. Perhaps having both solutions (private and universal) available is the best way. People who can afford private care are going to pay for it anyway instead of waiting in line. |
I don't understand MM does a movie every few years its propaganda.The right spews out bullshit over 2000 hrs a week but MM is the bad guy pathetic.
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As a college student studying to become a doctor.. i am against universal healthcare of course.
What the shit is that? You guys really think it is fair for doctors to make as much as teachers? Fuck that |
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87% of fire departments are volunteer http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/statistics/d...nts/index.shtm |
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I think healthcare should be a product much like cars. The more money you make - the better healthcare you should have. I know people who whine about not having health care even though they could have bought a good healthcare plan if they canceled their HBO package and cable. But they dont'. So fuck them.
I would also prefer other government programs to be converted to a privatised sector. |
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I live in the U.S and I have health insurance. It's not that expensive. As long as I can afford it that's good enough for me. Why should I pay more taxes so we can have health coverage for the less fortunate? It's not my problem.
In this world it's everyone for themselves I believe in capitalism. The more money you make the more benefits you have. It's not my obligation to help out the less fortunate. |
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Besides, you shouldn't make this into a left wing/right wing argument. There are serious issues with the "information" Moore presents and the way he presents it. Anyone from anywhere on the political spectrum should be able to recognize that. Just ask the two left-wing Canadian film makers who made this film: http://www.manufacturingdissentmovie.com/ |
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And are you suggesting that, if given the choice, you would move to Cuba, Russia or China before the US? Good luck with that. :winkwink: |
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All those who want to opt out of universal healthcare can as soon as those who want to opt out of having their tax dollars spent on the Iraq war can.
Also, those who think that this would lead to some dramatic increase in taxes are fooling themselves. Every single country with universal healthcare, provides it at a far lower cost than the system that already exists in the USA. |
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There is prob two sides on the rest - those born dreaming of dollar signs tho this is a learned mentality - but, on an individual level there are plenty good people with sense and an awareness of social responsibilty. |
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2 things come out in this thread for me ...
1. Many Americans are scared of their government, and the idea of their govt taking over healthcare is a frightening prospect to them. I can understand the fear considering Americans seem to have lost many of their rights and most of their control. 2. Many Americans have really embraced the "me me me" ideology. The mere concept of someone getting something for nothing really grates. If the poor can't afford to have fingers re-attached then too fucking bad .... its a dog eat dog world and they should have gotten off their ass and worked, or worked more. Maybe the American system is incapable of facilitating universal healthcare. The huge companies that seem to feed off the current system would just find a way to lobby and feed off the new system. Though, its sad that you guys don't get what i feel should be the first thing a country should offer. If your citizens don't have their health ... not much hope for the country ... rich or poor. |
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People all over the world have in the vast majority wanted a free at point of use National Health Service where doctors decide what treatment patients get.
How democratic a country is is reflected by whether this is put into place. |
"Though the people support the government, the government should not support the people."
President Grover Cleveland |
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"The best test of a civilized society is the way in which it treats its most vulnerable and weakest members." -Mahatma Gandhi |
They same people who don't want universal health care are the same people who still believe SADDAM had something to do with 911
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