J.R.

This iBill and other billing company issue is serious.

I was reading the other thread and some people are
not convinced to its true nature.

Imagine you make, 20,50,100k a month and
because some asshole doesn't like your site they
send a letter from their official desk and complain to
iBill or CCBill.

The next day, they pull your plug!

Thats EXACTLY what happend to my good friend
Frank B. with his site which usess iBill.

He has his attorney's are on this case.

But, this could happen to anyone of us running sites in
any state. Frank B. is in San Diego, Calif. and I am
in Northern Calif.

iBill is in Florida and this asshole is in Michigan.

Do you see a problem ??? Your not safe anywhere!

I think we all need to work together in order to
support one another.. any ideas would be helpful!

This could jump from state to state, Frankiesangels.com
is a TINY SITE with hardly any members, I have NO idea
how he was even found.

HERE IS AVN'S ARTICLE:
http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2002...02_lead.shtml#

Thanks,

Joel Raes

Jamie

The moral of the story is don't live in Michigan.

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Jamie~

I think the point was he is not involved with that kind of crap

J.R.

I just got off the phone with Frank B.

He said that his attorney's are all over
the Attorney' Generals ass in legal sense.

They persecuted him publicly without
one ounce of proof, though.. there is no
proof at all.

Frank shoots for Hustler, in fact.. Larry Flynts office
had called him when we were on the phone. They
are backing him with whatever is needed.

Frank read me the list of banned sites, the only one
I had heard of was BabyFaceMag the other sites
were weird, lolita type or teen video sites.


anyways, just an update..

J.R.

Frank lives in California, his site is in California.

hyper

i think ibill's lawyers will be very busy...

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J.R.

Your right this is serious.

I'm not a big player and would probably have to fold my sites if attacked in this manner. However something I can do as a small webmaster is make a statement to Ibill.

If your using Ibill as your processor I would make a statement to them and move all your processing to another company immediatly.

The law is trying to hit us in our pockets lets hurt the companies thats assisting them by taking the money out of thiers.

If every webmaster that used Ibill for adult business were to pull the accounts then Ibill would get the message or go away.

Also J.R. if a fund was set up to pay the attorneys on this I would for one make sure I'd add 20 dollars a week and if a bunch of us did that we could make sure they didn't get precidence out of this case.

The bottom line here folks is they are trying to put us out of business. Lets not let that happen.

My

JFPDude

kmanrox

i think i would tell them to come get me....

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hahaha

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wow 6900 posts kman

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J.R.

I can look into a legal fund that is protected if anyone
else is interested. Totally secure and safe.

I will research it, I myself would match your $20 a week.

Frank had to drop a large amount of cash today
to pay some upfront fee's. He would not say how much, but
I know it was a few bucks..

eru

Frank should sue the person making the fucked up complaint.

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J.R.

Trust me, he is...and will....

You cannot accuse someone and take action without proof!
He has all the records.. he is very anal about this stuff.

steffie

So the moral of the story is -

If you have a paysite and you link to a site where the girls are of legal age but young looking, that includes linking to tgp's. For instants, I have a paysite and I link to a tgp this particular tgp also has links to teen and animal sites (or accepts those galleries) - Your merchant can pull your plug

If you have a tgp and link to a site where the girls are of legal age but look young - You won't get paid because the merchant caves in under the pressure and closes the sponsors account

If you submit to a tgp and that particular tgp has galleries who link out to "bad" sites your billing company can pull your plug.

However the real CP Sites, where girls are really underage they are all sitting overseas with weird fucking billing companies nobody ever heard off, to this day I have yet to see any mention of a real CP site, real rape or incest site, only sites who are legal have been targeted.

Modeling sites, NN Sites, Sites with teens who look young, basically sites where surfers have easy access too.

So which site is going under next? Tawney Stone, etc? these girls look young, like Franks, but they are legal.

This is scary!

Here is the future!
If you have a (any) kind of paysite, the Merchant (ccbill etc) will have to submit the site to a government review board to get approval if they can even take your site.

So sites with big money will grease those officials to let their sites pass. Others like me (a nobody in this industry) will just have to shut down and go away, or hope the surfer will send you a check in the Mail.

Welcome to the Bush Administration.
And don't even think about moving out of the country, because the Credit Card Companies are everywhere. And now finally all those rightwings activist have found a way to remove porn from the Internet.

Freedom of speech - ? What's that! Oh yeah its only good for people with money. Religious rights, lobbyists, cigarette manufacturer, bio chemical industry, and others who have the money to walk around screaming Freedom of speech.

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J.R.

Very nice article!!

Amputate Your Head

that's seriously fucked up man....

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SunTzu

Seriously, not a bad idea. Lets stop giving business to those that will ban without proof. Which in turn just feeds censorship.

Part of that 15% given to Ibill is for reasonable protection of our money. If they "pull the plug" AND hold the money for 6 months, they don't deserve to get my business.

Ban the banners compaign!

J.R.

Thats a good idea.. I am personally contacing my iBill rep
about this issue. I am a major account with them so my word
actually means something, I hope..

Pipecrew

I am not a huge fan of Wantboobs, whats Ibills Address ?

J.R.

Go find another thread you dumb ass!

cherrylula

That is so beautiful. I'm getting teary eyed.

jreaka

Hey pipecrap

Should't you be busy getting ready for your big Aug 9th launch?

Daymare

"More seriously, Granholm's actions might constitute defamation per se of the owners of the sites, according to Internet attorney Larry Walters. "The way I see it, the Webmasters who were falsely accused could potentially assert a defamation action (libel/slander) if any statements about child porn turn out to be false," Walters said. "There will be some privileges involved, and there may be an absolute privilege applicable to statements by the AG in the course of her duties as a law-enforcement officer. The processors also need to be careful since, depending on their contracts with the Webmasters, they may be in breach for disabling sites based on unsupported allegations. In such case, the Webmasters may recover business interruption damages for the time they were down."

So the bottom line is IBILL can GO FUCK THEMSELVES and if you are currently processing with them, get the fuck out. They should NOT have taken that man's site down without proof.



IBILL

Chris R

What a stupid hahahaha - with all the REAL cp out there - she goes and names people like this. I even checked archive.org to make sure frankie wasn't pulling a switch on us - nothing wrong with his site - not even the metatags.....

iBill has piss poor customer service, support, and everything else.

If a host like PROHOSTERS can stand up to the FBI
iBill should be willing to stand up to the state of Michigan for their legitmate sites.

He might have recourse against iBill, but he has none against michigan. The state - and their employees - have immunity under the 11th ammendment.

jimmyf

From what I've seen about ibill on this board....do you really think you contacting them will do one bit of good (NOPE)..... Mark my words....they do not give a flying fuck, ibill has to be THE worse ccp of any and all you can think of......that company's has there head 100% up thy ass hole.They do not have a clue..... J.R. good fucking luck...

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playa

just to be safe i'd completely stay out of these "lolita" type sites,,
anything questionable is a risk even with the correct documents

Amputate Your Head

Risks are necessary for growth.... (in all things).... going through life in "safe-mode" is definately not for me.... too freakin' boring, and mediocre, bland, and tasteless is not on my menu this evening. "Safe" is for the old woman next door.

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J.R.

You are most likely correct, but.. if we ALL contact are
reps.. then atleast they will know we are watching

heymatty

seems like its time for someone to set up a billing company based in holland, UK, germany etc.

Somewhere where the laws are less puritanical but everyone still get a feeling that you can't get fucked over and someone walks with your cash in a briefcase.

How they would deal with visa, mastercard etc is a different matter I guess.

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Mr.Fiction

As soon as there is a fund for Frank, or an address to send money, or whatever, please post it.

Regardless of the other actions that are being taken, Frank or Larry Flynt or someone needs to sue the woman who started this, just to make a point and show her that she can't lie about child porn just to try to get elected. She needs to be called out on this publicly, just like she falsely called Frank out.

This whole mess is disgusting on so many levels.

J.R.

Yes, we are working on this fund. I hope to have something
by tomorrow. The fund will be to help Frank and others that
are unjustly persecuted without just cause.

angelsofporn

Ibill is a massive pile of shit anyway..this dosent surprise me at all..
Any rep from CCbill,Jettis or others want top give us an inside view of this process?
I mean the being fucked process

Que?

Is the list of targeted websites public?

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J.R.

I am not sure, though I will see if he can scan
me the stuff iBill sent him on this.

babyfacemag.com was one of the sites, though
the site has been redirected to their other site.

jas1552

This has nothing to do with the Bush administration.

UnseenWorld

I'm not sure what the legal basis for this is: Just doing business with a site that does business with a site which (may or may not) do business with a site which does business with an illegal site? So, could Domino's be in trouble for delivering pizza to this website's office, or might the Post Office be responsible for delivering the payment checks?

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iBill.

Would be great if some BIG accounts canceled over this.

Scootermuze

Unless they step outside of their jurisdiction.. and this could be just such a situation, in which case, those involved would lose any judicial immunity and could be held personally accountable.

Fire

I can tell you really looked deep into the situation and have a vast knowledge of politics. As if Bush doesn't already have enough to do, he went out and found this DEMOCRATIC AG and put her up to it!

Mr.Fiction

This woman is a Democrat, a very fucking stupid Democrat, but who is she playing up to with the "tough on porn" bullshit? Not the left. She's playing up to the idiots on the right who think that all porn should be illegal.

Anytime you doubt which party is trying to get rid of porn, ask yourself why Larry Flynt and Hugh Heffner both aggressively support the Democratic party. It's not because they're stupid.