150.......

Except this one

Seriously though, what kind of life does someone have that sits and posts on here an average of 23 times a day, every day, for 2 years straight?? Dude, that is fucking pathetic, I'm sure even a dumbass such as yourself could see that.

I'll take IDIOT for $400 ....

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2...age640056x.jpg

answer: Stickyfingerz ...

So you are calling everyone with a high post count a dumbass huh? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh I post in bursts, and work in bursts. Thats how I roll.

so how exactly did this thread turn into a my cock is bigger than yours thread
without any relation to the original topic? I know people don't read posts but
this takes it to a complete new level.

Got me. Im trying to get people to innovate in order to protect their content, but they ignore that and have to try to do a bash sticky thread. Although the threads intention was a bash aff thread anyways...

By know means do I approve the zango/torrent or whatever shady marketing
tactics. But you guys are chasing the wrong horse to stop it. Now I know
lobbying for legislation in our industry especially in the US might not be
easy to accomplish but I think bundling all your energy and resources and
put that in a good lawyer might bring your further than chasing whatever
company who's just taking advantage of the possibilities at hand.

Sure it's not very classy if companies chose todo so but if there's no
legislation they can do whatever the fuck they want.

You could present this without labeling it an adult issue as that's irrelevant
of the practice. So if it would be banned in mainstream it would automagically
be banned in adult too.

Not that I really care it's just an observation I thought I'd share :-)

No, you were a dumbass long before this board, but the fact that this board is your life makes you a pathetic dumbass. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I see no reason not to protect content as part of a good business model in addition to trying to get rid of methods of sharing content.

Neither is easy but i cant see why both wouldn't be an objective anyway.

you're absolutely right but that's something different than trying to educate
someone who doesn't want to be educated to stop doing something that's
not very correct when in fact the thing he's doing is not illegal by law.
And in this case I think it's quite obvious that AFF doesn't really care
about anything and/or anyones interest except their own.

Not very classy but quite common when doing business. Kinda don't hate
the player but hate the game textbook example :winkwink:

stickytwat... that link to the wiki on vongo you posted gives a very big clue as to one of the main problems with securing content... customer alienation... vongo states that it is not compatible with mac... so there goes some customer out the door with just the obvious... then there is the whole area of customer habits... one of which happens to be storing and saving his faveorite movies from the paysite he is a member of... that couple with mac incompatability nixes something like vongo for adult... and again.. that's just at a glance... many other issues as well...

point is... securing content isn't just a simple cut and dry issue.

AND the main point of this thread was the fact that AFF accepts traffic from people that are using stolen content for profit... NOT about securing said content.

wow, I really can't believe I actually read all of your replies in this thread, stickyidiot.






** cue the "and who are you" comment from sticky queef. lmao

I agree that the business ethics of AFF suck and i doubt for one second that they will lead by any example in taking a long term view of how their actions impact on the industry and those that depend on it.


So what are the options:

Continue to bring up AFF and their advertsing which they likely wont do fuck all about.

Pursue the torrent sites which likely wont be any easier and certainly not quicker.

Remodel how we distribute our content and the security of it.

Maybe a little of all three and the easiest is the very thing we have control over though and thats how we distribute our content. Neither of the others can do fuck all about that and it might even have an effect.

I love GFY - everyone here knows that but this is the honest to god truth.

I've learned more info that made me MAD money talking to lars for 5 mins than pissing on idiots on this board for the last 5 years and thousands of hours invested.


think about that

You're still stupid. Lars knows how to make money. I don't think anyone in the history of GFY has ever disputed that. I know you think you actually said something worthwhile, but it has nothing to do with the goal. They just want AFF to stop accepting torrent traffic and stop intercepting affiliate codes, etc..

By defending it, you're just encouraging more people to do the same. Wouldn't you rather that fewer people do it?

Do you look at stats at all? Percent of market for mac and linux? lol Did you also read that they are in the midst of trying to remedy that? Either way, so you would rather give away ALL your content, than to risk losing a tiny percentage of mac and linux customers? lol


Hey everybody !! Come get your free porn so we dont alienate a few mac and linux nuts.... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Someone else gets it. Good shit. :thumbsup

being creative and come up with something why people should pay for enjoying your site which can't be downloaded......for example member
interaction.

making a script that makes it too much hassle to bother downloading your
content....for example showing pics inside a java applet, or a script that
only allows to download the pics inside the html page/template

or more extreme but funny....making a script that renders the pics to html
using ascii.....

or any other way that prevents to easily slurp the content from your site.
if people have to download 1 by 1 or have to make screenshot and crop/save
to get a jpg I guarantee you you won't find your stuff on usenet or torrent
sites......I know that it's next to impossible to prevent downloading but I
know several ways that makes it tricky enough for people not to bother
trying.

:2 cents:

to be honest I actually see it as another traffic source. :2 cents:

i disagree with using copywrite images though

actually now that I think about it, it's impossible to prevent your content
from getting redistributed....all it takes is a valid login to access the content
and in case you've went out of your way inventing whatever encryption method
to protect that content to just copy it once it's being displayed when it's
authorized to display it with the userid. If a member can watch it it can be
copied.

He told you where the richest kids hang out so you can steal their lunch money? :)

I get all parts of it...I'm not going to take one side more than any other.

Id like to see advertising off of torrent sites and any other content sharing area, id like to see the places that the content is shared gone and id like to see members area's with better content security.

ie, i don't see why members should still be viewing content beyond a membership period. They pay, they see...and if they want to continue seeing they rebill.

Ok, the last one isn't easy by any stretch of the imagination but, it can be made so much harder and way more time consuming. To the point of being a time drain on any member to leave with more than a small segment of overall site content.

However, it also requires webmasters to put a few initial but simple measures in place and how many really have the nuts to tell their existing member base "sorry boys, things are changing" and for everyone to stick to it so that they become used to it on other sites too.

hello kettle

Why sponsors bother with torrent traffic I have no idea. The idea that people are there to leech free stuff doesn't seem to get through.. It's probably the LEAST likely demographic of surfers to actually purchase a product, they are knowingly skirting the "payment methods" to get it free. What a retarded business model.. not all traffic is equal, large amounts of traffic isn't worth shit if they aren't BUYING traffic with credit cards and the intent to pay.

I think some people do not understand that AFF is not porn. That is how they can advertise on bittorrents and forums with a billion free vids and pics. Throw milfhunter next to 50k pics ripped from milfhunter and you will not make many sales.

That is why we need to get the dating industry on our side. VISA stopped poker and gambling to a huge extent but they are still out there. Stop dating and fifty thousand message boards filled with porn and bittorrents would have to rethink what they do.

THEN ad in that people try and secure their stuff better and voila!

I promote AFF and won't stop but am I designing projects for them? Nope.

I'd also add that for me personally, if I have to d/l 3rd party players for anything (video related) then i'm more inclined to move on and never bother with it again.

Point being, the harder you make it for people to access your content, the more likely they are to get fed up and not bother...

@ Thread topic, I don't think AFF or lars should have to leave the forum, however it would be nice to see Lars make a serious post addressing the issue. All i've seen him do is take the piss so far...

No one talks about the age demographic which probably around 13 yrs old and the morons are talking about adult making money off of BT's.

Actually, it is the most frustrating part about Lars over the last couple of years. he has gone entirely blackhat, basically "money without morals" or "advertising without borders". Zango and Torrent sites are two major areas where AFF could leave a few dirty dollars on the table but they just can't seem to do it.

I really wonder what is next... maybe AFF branded heroin or X? Maybe hang around AA meetings and give it out free memberships to the desperate ones. All those ideas would make money.

Sticky doesnt have sites so he doesnt understand. Porn surfers go with what they know also a large number are on old computers. Think about it Divx a superior codec never took off because surfers had to download their player. You dont see many all divx porn sites. This shit is theft and this bullshit we have to figure out a way to make money off of it is stupid because people looking for free arent going to pay especially when they probably arent old enough to have a credit card.

If you think its just teenagers using torrents you are very mistaken. There are many other uses for torrents. One of the biggest is downloading tv episodes that people missed. They didnt cost anything to watch in the first place, so many people dont have much issue downloading them. They only miss the advertising for the shows. Which most people dont watch or leave the room to get a snack or whatever.

Torrents are not a bad thing, they are just sometimes used badly.

Well with the introduction of super large file size HD video people will have to upgrade if they want to see the good stuff. So right now what is the bottle neck? The delivery system. And what is our other industry issue? Content theft right. Ok now lets think about this. Broadband speeds are increasing all over the country. Vista is out and requires more power. So the trend completely is for more power, more speed. Now which surfer is more likely to buy a membership? Some guy on an ancient computer on 56k? or the guy with the fat connection, and just dropped cash on a new computer so he can watch the new high quality porn that is coming out? Think about it.


Again adult always used to innovate, and mainstream would play catchup.

So here is another mainstream example Ill put forward.

http://www.vuze.com/app

used to be zudeo.com now vuze.com Now you might not be sure what it is at first look. Its a ton of HD trailers, and user submitted movies. How in the world do they distribute those do you think? hmm Oh Torrent files. They have a cluster of servers that seed, and then the user base downloading them also help seed. What kind of speeds can you get from that? Well I can max my connection out.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/136304456.png

Thats slow for me today, I usually hit 30k down.

I get sustained speeds of 2500 down on that vuze.com I downloaded a 1gb file in 20 minutes. Now is anyone starting to think differently about torrents?

So now lets say some smart company in adult took advantage of these technology's. Lets say someone combines the basis of what Vongo is doing and combined it with what vuze is doing for distribution. There are ways to lock torrents so they can only be downloaded by a subscription base. Ill just let people think about that. So you make it easier for your customer to get a huge file and use a custom player setup. So some company starts leasing this as a plugin to paysites. Content delivery with super fast download speeds, secure delivery, reduced bandwidth costs due to distributing files across your member base.

Nah forget any of that. Lets just keep on going with allowing people to download porn forever for 1 months subscription fee.

After all they are used to it, and change.... they might not like change.... and they are probably all on old computers. And there are a lot of 56k users still, so lets just keep giving away our content. Thats the better idea....

Oh and forget about putting your watermarked trailers on torrents too, that would just be a waste.

Ill tell you this Ideepthroat.com became very well known. You know why they did at first? They leaked a bunch of watermarked movies on p2p. They had a great product, and people wanted more so they signed up. Bangbros also did the same thing. Things were leaked. People signed up. You ever see those people in the food court at the mall giving out free samples of chicken and shit? Did you fill up on a few samples, or did you get a taste, and go over and buy the full meal?

So now if you have your content secured, it cant be easily ripped and given away where does that put us? Puts us with the ability to give out only sample content that leaves the surfer wanting more, and they sign up. Thats how it used to be before people started letting their shit be stolen, or a whole site downloaded for 29.00.

This message is hidden because stickyfingerz is on your ignore list.

What a wonderful sight that is.

Lets get the pitch forks and torches!!!!!

Like I care about your input. In the meantime those who are interested in innovation and turning a "problem" into a way to make more money and secure their content and lower bandwidth costs might have a nice little conversation.

Tar and feathers too. :)

I will go with the majority

I misspoke on the 1gb in 20 minutes. It was 1gb in 7 minutes.

AFF can suck my cock...i took their shit off all of my sites long ago and i will never use them again!

Sticky, the last 2 posts just lost me. you obviously are clueless......

Well the television stations and TV show executives have a problem with that. If people can just download the episode, there is no urgency or effort put into being at home and around the TV when the show comes on.

P2P and torrents aren't bad, it's just a tactic of sharing files online. But most people using them are using it for bad things.

Not surprising that you dont get "it"

So ok good example. What did the networks start doing in order to keep their advertising money?

Thats an EXCELLENT example actually, and is EXACTLY what Im talking about. Network tv started seeing their numbers drop and they examined to see why. They realized it was torrents,p2p ect, so what did they decide to do?

http://myspace.com/fox

http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing


http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full...s/heroes.shtml


Why do you think they started offering their videos online?

Someone will get this Im sure.

so seriously you answer to them using stolen content is that we need better locks. Shouldn't a level of enforcement be looked into or is that too much for you to grasp?

they sued the sites featuring their downloads and had their content pulled from as many as they could.

thats what most gfyers want .

Most of the people on gfy are affiliates , they dont control how the content is disseminated or even care .. they are salesmen, trying to sell a product thats being given away.

Nobody is arguing that PART of the solution is to disseminate the information in a more effective way . that is just common sense. What we ARE arguin about is if we should allow a company who advertises next to copyright material , child porn torrents , and pays company's that steal our traffic , to stay an active member of their community....

do you think fox would allow torrentspy to buy commericals on its shows ? i think not

You still are not getting it. How much time and money would be wasted on trying to stop something you wont stop that way? The ONLY way to stop the money bleeding out of the industry, is to heal the big hole the blood is spilling out of. Innovate our delivery systems. All these mainstream companies are doing it. Vongo your movies you download to your computer will expire after the rental date is up. Why do people get ALL your content for 1 months subscription fee and get to keep that? A fundamental change must be made.

"Well we never did it that way before why should we have to change now?"

Ill tell you why. People didnt used to be able to even download all your content in a short amount of time. Peoples connections are improving daily. They dont pay anymore a month for their internet, but you are paying the same for your bandwidth costs. What is going to happen when everything eventually crosses over to fiber? When people can download full dvds in less than 10 minutes at dvd quality? Think folks. So you have all these fast connections out there, that have now also had their upload speeds increased. People can download 10 times more than they used to be able to, but we are charging the same prices. So who is going to get fucked here?

Enough with the cp shit. Everyone knows its a shock and awe term. The cp links were gone within 2 hours of my reporting them. The torrent sites dont want that shit on there anymore than we want it to be on there. I dont really care who advertises there. Good for them. If aff doesnt, well someone else will. Be it a mainstream company or whoever. There is money to be made, and someone will do it. Whining and crying about it does nothing to change the underlying problem. Dmca to get whatever content that is yours off the sites, but if your content keeps bleeding out then when will it ever stop?

Do you think you will kill torrent sites? If so Ive got a bridge Id love to sell you. p2p had how many trials to "stop it" ? Did it stop them? Not at all. So if we cannot stop file sharing then what is the next step?

Do I like they are advertising on there? No, but its not the real problem.

Am I missing something here? I just recorded a stream from "your" vod site (.asf format) and then converted it to wmv.
http://www.sharpedezine.com/leeched.wmv

I can do that for pretty much anything that streams video ....

Can't believe I spent $1.99 just to check this out .....

Hmm did your leach include the audio? :1orglaugh

Theres like 20 or 30k of movies on there, and you pick a low quality video?