i was just pointing out his email addy. chill the fuck out.

Well, that last post certainly is typical of the customer service I've received lately. Chill the fuck out?

Why would I post my email address when no one ever answered my emails? I'm dumb not dum :)

i have now terminated your account.

ahahaha

So when should I expect my checks?

Or did you just terminate my account so you could keep my money?

a year? that's the wait..

And, what exactly is it that I have done wrong. Let's see . . . you processed my sales, got the money, I got nothing.

Ok, I get that.

I've terminated you, too. You've now been double terminated. Next time you get a big red "T" stamped on your forehead.

ronin -

no, they were a few months behind in payments - that was over a year ago.

My issue was that they got even more behind on my account, failed to send my checks to the proper address, and then when I closed my account with them they never paid me what they owed me - which was a lot.

Oh, and in over 2 years of processing with them, I NEVER received my reserves. Nor was I ever anywhere near the cut-off for chargebacks.

Hell, for all I know they are a great company now. Let's just say they had their problems back then.

check with fatpad if you have a problem with your termination.

No, I'm just going to wait around for Clay or Rand or Chris, and in the meantime use my conversation with you to vent.

Congratulations on the new DVD player

Clay,

I simply don't get it. Have we not learned from the mistakes of the past? I've known you guys since the very beginning when Dan use to be your partner back in 1996. You've seen us and other webmasters go thru the whole DMR debacle. You saw what Xpics did with free trials. You've witnessed the problems other processors have had firsthand. And you've even gone thru major growing pains with Paycom over the last 2 years when you had your own problems with your merchant banks.

Now, finally, I think the system finally stabalized. Banking relations have improved. And I'm pretty sure Visa, MC and Amex are content with the status-quo. Surfers have gotten used to the
'paid trial' system. And I seriously dont think any diligent and smart webmaster our there would really complained about a lack of signups.

Now what's gonna happen is that a bunch of greedy webmasters who are just in this biz to make the quickest buck possible without thinking about the repercussions will offer this to surfers. And of course, eventually, other sites will do the same because their logic will be 'why will a surfer join my site when he can join another site for free?' So eventually, this will start spreading. Once one of your big sponsors implements this into all their sites, than everyone will jump on the bandwagon and do the same merely to maintain their 'competitive advantage'.

It has taken us such a long time to get to this point after all the banking and third party processing nightmares. In a perfect world, this would be a great idea. But as we have seen, the internet, and especially the adult web is the farthest thing from perfect and instead of limiting potential long-term damage and continuing the existing stability and prosperity we have had in the last 12 months, we just added more lethal and potentially deadly ammunition. And needless to say, I am not even mentioning what this will do to a website's bandwidth if it is not equipped to stop download managers from raping and pilaging their content in 30 minutes or less. This just gave hackers and thieves the keys..

What I strongly suggest is that you revisit this strategy and perhaps consider some options such as what my partner MikeEP had suggested in an earlier post which is to tranport the surfer to a 'do you want to join' page instead of just renewing them at the 31st minute.

Just my 2 cents..

Good. I was promoted out of the Russian Cheater dept and up to Nigerian Cheaters. I couldn't help you anyways.

we're not actually having a conversation. you just can't read.

Yes, I know you two don't really work for Epoch, thanks. That wasn't my point of posting . . .

Why should they pay us they can get all the content they want online for free. get rid of the tgps or censor them and then maybe we will not have to do free trials thats just my :2 cents:

Plus surfers are much more savvy and they know how to get it for free.
Paid trial or free trial. even if you had a pay site for 5 bucks a month they would cancel. its all an impulse buy

I see everyones point and it seems lot's of people are thinking of what MIGHT happen with the free trial issue. Mabey it would be in PayCom's best interest to only allow this for accounts that have a history using their processor. This should clear up some issues with some blow joe comming in and fucking shit up.

With paycom's past...It's exactly that. They cleaned up and shit is straight and they did not die and take out 60% of the adult companies like DMR/Xpics ect. They are a solid company now just some people can't live down the past.

I got ripped 10k+ for a very large very well known porn company like 3 years ago. That amount of time I look it as shit happens and move on..Now I even do business with the and understand they had issues back then.

I personally respect them for that:thumbsup
well said Doc.

oh, you're so clever. fuck off then. you can't read because the guy left his email address, and you're crying about who to email. idiot.

you're both. who asked you to post your email address dumbass?

I respect Paycom/Epoch as well for pulling through in very tough times. That is quite an accomplishment and they are a great company to process with. We have stuck with them thru thick and thin as well. Im just worried about history repeating itself..

It's more like 15 bucks . . . but anyway, I read your first post wrong, and now you just don't even get it. Whatever.

But if you're THAT interested . . . ask around. Try KimmyKim. Or some others that are old-timers at PornCity BBS. We made Epoch a shitload of money.

why, i don't give a shit. you've made yourself look like a fool, and now you're trying to back track. you could have said you made a mistake. i made a joke of your post, and now.... lol.

it's all low-level entertainment.

Yeah, I look extrememly stupid for not reading every word of a 5 page post. And I DID say I made a mistake.

If you don't give a shit then stop replying. That's not hard to figure out.

every word lol. just looking at my post to you would have been enough. yeah, you mentioned it finally.

i won't stop replying. why don't you? this is evening entertainment as i finished updating a members area.

I don't know. If this is entertaining for you . . . well that's just sad. Work on your member area a little harder and perhaps your entertainment level won't be so low.

actually, most of the people that post here, do it primarily for entertainment, with the odd bit of interesting info. if you're here to get your money back, that is infinitely more sad.

i admit it - i read and post on gfy for entertainment. i am a loser :(

No, I'm not here expecting to get my money back. But I figured since they were posting here I'd be free to bitch about them in public.

Dyannna!!!!! Where the fuck did you guys disappear to? I want an email with the details on how that last issue worked out for you guys --

The bottom line with what Chris is referring to here is that Visa/MC is indeed out to get rid of some companies and people in this business. What they would like is the urls turned off and the people that own them ineligible to get processing in any form -- third party or own merchant account. The blacklist, kiss of death, whatever you want to call it, does exist, and Visa is steadily moving towards making it a reality.

Biggest question I have is where does it stop? Unfortunately that's not one that can be answered...

I can't blame the cc's for wanting more accountability from the merchant holders. It's been too long that some people in this industry have dragged the rest of us down. Companies that don't give a fuck about cb rates, burn merchant banks and third party processors alike, need to be kicked out so the rest don't suffer.

Hi All,

The merchant sub-registration and registration fees have been a long time coming as well as the 3rd party processor reporting and monitoring. Visa and Mastercard are trying to level the playing field and make anyone accepting their cards have a relationship with them directly (through an acquiring bank). This is why we have never done third party processing and do not intend to. Our merchants already have that relationship established and have paid the registration fees. Visa will be first to step up and Mastercard shortly thereafter. The two always follow each other closely. I brought this up about 6 months ago as well.

Chris Mallick,

No disrepect meant here, but...
Remember, we all get our merchant accounts from the same banks. There are certainly not banks laying around but you guys ALWAYS make it sound harder than it actually is. We have been around since 98 and doing quite well as you know. Something tells me that merchants actually can get merchant accounts and hold on to them with the right company and tools.
If not, I would not be here posting, would I?
I have a great relationship with your partners, xpartners, and 99% of the clan from all of the billing companies. However, you need to give credit where it is due occassionally, my friend.

Kimmykim,

Since you no longer work for a processor, go talk about content or something that you actually know about. Don't spout wrong information half of the time and then say "I no longer work for a processor" when you don't know the answers. Maybe you can spend your incredible energy starting you own company instead of working for someone else and bouncing from job to job.

Mitch

Mitch, take your fat spamming ass somewhere else and dig up some clients.

Regardless of where I work, don't you think it would follow that I would still have plenty of friends in processing -- including Chris Mallick and Ron Cadwell -- that would be more than happy to answer my questions?

You don't all get your accounts from the same banks, regardless of what you seem to think. If that were the case then why couldn't you get H****r an acct for 10k a month, when someone else got him one for 6 figures a month in 4 days?

As a matter of fact the accounts at a certain bank south of the border got dumped without notice a couple weeks ago didn't they? Wasn't just a rumor since I know people who lost their accounts down there and heard from their own lips that it happened. Hope you weren't using that ISO.

As for my bouncing from job to job, maybe you didn't understand what happened -- I live with Brad, I left CCBill to work with Brad. So if you call staying somewhere for years and then leaving to work with the person I live with bouncing, you better have your rocks that pass for a brain checked.

Oh yeah, Mitch, whatever came of your sky is falling, get your own merchant account now because Mastercard is getting rid of third party processors?

That was back in, what, May? Here it is August and third parties are still processing Mastercard... Hmmmmm. I do believe they all posted they would be but you kept on with the I just talked to Mastercard and they won't story didn't you?


If I wanted to get merchant accounts (and we already have some) I'd go to one of the third parties and let them handle the setup (oh wait that's what I did) -- that way I would know they were placing me with their banks, and using the cumulative strength of their numbers to help me as well (um, oh, that is what happened).

Blah blah blah... same as it ever was.

Learned that on the Harvard debate team?

Gary,

Actually, it was the Stanford debate team. They taught us to just respond with that when people were spewing at the mouth and wasting our time with bullshit they know nothing about.

:thumbsup


Mitch

or the back of a cereal box.

They actually taught that at stanford? You should have tried for harvard.

Like your big Mastercard posts?

Like this one?

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showth...threadid=55065

or this one?

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/showth...threadid=57462

I like netbilling, aside from their accounting arm, which was hosing me out of money, until I caught it.

hahahahahaha

Wow

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If my kids ever wanna go to stanford, im locking them in their rooms

Nope... you are wrong again. I was posting what Mastercard sent out (in writing) and what they stated at the ETA meeting in Orlando. Everyone was worried and still are. I also stated that I was sure it would not happen exactly as they had stated but their would be variations... and here they come, as I predicted.

blah blah blah blah....

damn ronin, you beat me to it.

Interesting point Mitch, especially since we are talking about Visa in this thread.

Pay attention please.

ahahahaha :)

Mastercard is not 10 feet behind Visa, you can bet you ass on that. These rules will be for both associations, with slight variations between them.

Mitch

the IVY leaguer made it so easy...