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BACON BACON BACON
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For the record...i'll never pay a designer up front no matter what they say
WTF man
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Let's do some business!
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For the record... I like pizza.
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Carpe Visio
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Then you're limiting yourself to who you can work with. No designer with any sense should take a job without getting something up front.
People who owe money are flakier than designers. |
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GOO!
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I've done upfront, 50/50 before ... and been screwed everytime. I think I found a winner this time. : )
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Let's do some business!
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Wait, I take that back. I paid someone upfront last week. Already had a relationship and he had too much to lose by screwing me.
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Old broad
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For the record, I will
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Ya always after the work is done.
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i never pay when the work is done
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Another reason why people choose us no matter how much I act like a idiot or ass on the board... We screw over no one ever!
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There's an opening here for a trusted source to open an adult escrow service here.
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BACON BACON BACON
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50/50 is fine with me
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not even a deposit? a good designer should at least get partial payment to start, and the remainder when completed. remember to designers, there are alot of companies who demand everything then don't pay at the end of the project. party goes both ways
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Need Designs? 312352846
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i can do that for you although you need to order in bulk/ i mean tons
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Same with the one kristin mentioned above. She's now got a working relationship with them. As a provider and as a buyer that works out. You're not going to get the best product out there without putting something down to get the ball rolling. While I'm sure places like Webinc have companies they work for with credit, the little programs and single webmasters probably don't get that special treatment. |
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BACON BACON BACON
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man you are fast...lol
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Carpe Visio
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Sometimes it doesn't even need to be that much. But it works out. A fair split ensures that you will be damn sure to collect your work and pay just so you don't lose and the designer (should you at the very least pick someone relatively known) will definitely deliver and collect on the remaining sum.
I wouldn't do anything without at least some form of payment to start, and I would never expect to pay for something without at least a deposit of some sort up front. There's really no need for an adult escrow service. Escrow.com has no problem with adult so far as I know. At least I've never had issue. It is the best way to make sure both ends are protected. |
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Well at Student Designs Ltd. every client is protected by a legal contract.
We wont start any work until the contract is signed and 50% or 30% payment has been taken. This protects both the designer and the client ![]() Its impossible in our projects for the designer or the client to finish up empty handed. ![]()
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BACON BACON BACON
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wishing the person i paid in full would come online and let me know how the work is going
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Well at webinc.com we almost never ask for a deposit upfront - seems to work well for us.. Our policy is the same for small webmasters / companies and the large ones...
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Totally Borked
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Designers are tricky, because viewing the goods means they can be ripped if the employer has little intention of paying. Programming is easy - keep the code on your dev box and only release when payment is made. On big projects break the project down to milestones, with payments due upon reaching a milestone.
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I can do if it is an small order, and I know/trust the designer. But for folks I have never used before: forget it.
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Unfortunately it can go both ways. I did some editing for someone and originally cut some samples just to show them what I could do and to see if they would want me to edit some more stuff for them. I was given a drive with some more stuff to edit and a couple weeks later was asked if I was done with those and ready for some more. I left a message for them and said I was ready to do some more but would need to start seeing some payment and never heard back. I left a couple more messages and still nothing so it's definitely not just the people being hired who can be flaky...
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There are only a few designers that I trust with paying upfront, but usually I will only do 50/50 with them. They trust me and I trust them so it's all good. Got a project going on now with a designer I have used in the past, they trust me 100% so no need for 50% upfront. I like that.
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Marina WILL have my babies!
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I dont pay for anything upfront anymore... if a designer or whoever doesnt like it, I move on to another one that does, and the ones that do end up receiving ALOT of longterm biz from me.
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Kat does a great job and doesn't make me pay up front.
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Need Designs? 312352846
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actually i can work without 50upfront if i know the client have an established biz in adult. then afterthe we can create relationship. although they're some people after you made some design even though you've done some designs for them after that they just gone with a few things needed to get paid.. oh well... thats adult industry
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I thought someone might ask that question ![]() In over 7 years webinc has had 3 clients not pay. 1 Paysite design about 6 yrs ago or so and 2 small jobs I think 2-3 yrs ago. Pretty good I would say out of the thousands of different projects we have done over the yrs. We don't ask for payment upfront but we expect payment ASAP when a project is done or almost completed. Never really an issue I guess. Btw, we have had a few clients late in paying and when that happens I can be very agressive in my collection of funds ![]() Thanks Todd
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FBOP Class Of 2013
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he usually just stores the psd in his "digital filing cabinet" and eventually someone else will come along that needs something similar...he just changes the logo and some graphics and is done |
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It's pretty hard to get a good designer with $0 upfront...
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I have compulsory 25% deposit with any job over a few hundred dollars, because I find until the client has actually paid something they don't take their order seriously.
I've been stung once on a smaller job & once on a mid sized job but gfy is a very handy tool for finding people who go missing when payment is due so thankfully its only happened twice. Brad, you could always use a designer you know .... *wink* ;-) |
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I charge up front as much to shut out timewasters as out-and-out flakes. To avoid the common complaint of late delivery, I pencil in blocks of my days each time an assignment is confirmed (by payment). I couldn't think about doing that if I took note of everyone who seems set to go and then simply vanishes. But anyway, why take the chance when I have enough clients to keep me busy? |
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I have a few designers I always use. I used to do the 50% upfront deal in the beginning. Now i've found that once a designer trusts you they will take your job and million others at once and stick you waiting in line for your turn. I don't like being stuck in line and waiting for weeks to have the job finsihed
So now I refuse to pay till the job is done...this way if he feels like taking his time getting to my project I can just cancel on him (with proper notice) and use my next designer. I have found that all single personal web designers are complete utter flakes regardless of how good there work is. I need to look into the various design companies out there and see if they offer a better solution. Do any of you design companies have enough people on staff where I can hit u up for a few quick banners anytime and have them done in 24 hours or less? More offten than not I'm in need for small quicky projects that the lone designers take care of super fast WHEN they don't have other jobs in line.... Would be nice to be able to use a design company that always has someone available to do a job, even quicky small ones. |
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50/50 is fair unless it's the first time working with someone. We use the same people for everything so it's about relationships. Good reliable designers are hard to find just like copywriters. Easy way to get raked over the coals is to pay 100% upfront.
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Meloman, you haven't tried *all* single personal web designers ...
I can usually fit in small graphic jobs within 48 hours because I use those jobs to take a break from other tedious or big jobs. I work similar to jayeff above where I grey out blocks of time, so I can tell you exactly when your job will be done & if I can't do it in time I'll tell you upfront. The biggest part to being a designer is time management. Its easy for inexperienced designers to spend far too long on unimportant details & the cascading effect starts and your job gets delayed. |
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I have had both experiences and it depends on who you are working with.
Independents have fucked me over.... Tripped across Blue Design Studios and was completely happy. So it can go either way.
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My hips don't lie
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When I did design.. i think i was asking 33% upfront.. 33% midway.. and 33% when the job is done.. Always worked well..
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