I removed 900 billing over a year ago from my sites, it wasn't worth it. With the high reversals, no recurring, long waiting for money, high fees, and the FTC scrutiny on 900#s, let's just say I'm not that desperate for money. It's too bad that Ibill got fucked by MCI. At's also too bad that webmasters aren't getting paid either. If I were Ibill and someone used me as their main processor for Credit Cards, Checks, 900, etc. and the 900 thing happened, I would work something out with them. But if someone used someone else for credit card, and someone else for checks, and me only for 900, I would have no motivation to help. Maybe you guys that only used them for 900 should make a deal with them to use them for credit cards, they have some awesome credit card solutions right now. I'm willing to bet if you do, that they'll work a deal on the old 900 cash to help recoup your losses. Every processor has had problem periods from time to time, Ibill is better than ever right now, you guys that dis them, don't know them.

Anyway, if you've got something to add to this thread, add it. But no more "bump" posts, It gets boring.

...Hey I have a new and interesting suggestion...

How about we get a lawyer to manage a class action lawsuit and all agree to donate the proceeds to the Free Speech Coalition? :1orglaugh

Brad

Lensman I just think its fucked up they don't wanna discuss it, even if you do cc etc. with them... we the webmasters have a contract with them and not their partners.....

Vegas

oops, posted on co-worker's computer

So what you are saying here is, the more they fuck me over, the more business I should give them?

Or in reverse, if CCbill has been good to me, I should take my business away from them? Just so I can have a fucked up relationship with both my processing companies?

If Ibill wants more of my business, they gotta EARN it.

Steve Lightspeed

waiting for lensman's reply...

Lightspeed - I have nothing but respect from you guys. Twisted Cash was looking at moving to IBill as our primary processor, but this gives me serious doubts about supporting such a move.

Lensman - I understand your feelings about 900 billing, I'm not sure I like it either, however, there is no way on god's green earth I would give IBill another dime right now. If I was Steve, I would have already pulled IBill off of all my signup pages until they pay the web900 bill even if it cost me more in lost sales to do than the value of the debt.

Steve - Check out my recommendation. The only drawback of doing that is that webmasters like me will see lower conversions, but I would support that sort of move myself, because if processors can set a precident of this sort of bullshit, and that can jepordize your payments to me in the future, because I don't expect you to take too many $50,000 losses and keep in the business, and if it jepordizes you, it jepordizes me. So, I say pull them, or let affiliates choose to pull them from the webmasters area so that those that want to back you can, and those that just want their money can still say "I will support shitty billing companies."

IBill - Yea, you heard me, you've already lost my business. I hope you lose more. The only thing more dispicable than withholding your payments in the first place is letting something like this go and think you can get away with out at least making a statement. At this point, I think I would be more comfortable hearing you tell steve "We're stealing your money and we hate you fuck off" than saying nothing at all. Do me a favor and introduce yourself to the next guy you are going to assfuck before you rape them. You have lost my vote, entirely.

TarPy

PS - Ibill, I will find a way to have more and more to say on this thread for about 3 years, so the shit ain't going away, own up and admit you are cheating bastards.

In a recent update, it sounds as if Twisted Cash will in all probability decide not to go with Ibill because of this incident.

We've been recommended to use PayCom, or PSWBilling.

Anyone else have a billing co to recommend?


TarPy

TarPy,

We have several credit card processing options you may be interested in and will save you $$ in processing fees. We also have a check solution that is very inexpensive and you control the fraud scrub levels. Best of all.... we value every single client that we process for.

Interested?

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

Thank you, Mitch Farber

Impressed with the attention to clients, even if they are only potential.

Any of you other guys want to throw your hat into the ring.

Recommendations?


More Sales reps?

Anyone?

TarPy

You might want to check out ProBilling. Their rate is around 9.5%, I believe.

Ccbill has been flawless since i started in 99, you can't miss.

all I can say about Ibill right now, is I LOVE CCBILL

Lightspeed - Thanks Steve, as you know Buzz and plugger have been with CCBill for years and are decently happy.

Cogitator - Thanks for the responce.

TarPy

ibill update: