Can a Paysite be Successful w/o an Affiliate Program? - GoFuckYourself.com

Vegas Ken · 04-29-2007, 09:18 AM

This topic has come up recently. I have my opinions, now I want yours.

Can a paysite become really successful without an Affiliate Program?

Is the Affilliate Model so entrenched in this industry that you can't really have a hit it out of the park success without it. Or is the Affiliate Model just a way to speed up the success of a site? Does anyone have examples of successful paysites that made it big without an Affiliate Program?

I look forward to hearing everyones thoughts......

jact · 04-29-2007, 09:20 AM

I fully believe that the sky is the limit without affiliates, you just have to know your market.

LadyMischief · 04-29-2007, 09:20 AM

There are sites that do this now, and honestly it is entirely possible... One would have to have vast knowledge and ability to come up with steady traffic sources, and be willing to do business to business, but it's definitely a possibility.

Wizzo · 04-29-2007, 09:21 AM

I've seen a few over the years, but none recently... Personally, I think its hard for any site to do better than what they can do with a army of affiliates.

Jace · 04-29-2007, 09:22 AM

for sure YES...in fact, the way I see it, if you start up a paysite and can't sustain the growth on your OWN before affiliates come into play, then you either need a LOT of money to make it for a while or you don't belong in the paysite owners club

I know quite a few paysite owners that have no affiliates at all and make it quite nicely....i would love to post examples, but most of these guys want nothing to do with boards, so they would get pretty upset

there is one regular poster on GFY that has 2 paysite and no affiliate program and he is making some serious cash

Big John · 04-29-2007, 09:22 AM

Talking of which although I don't visit GFY much these days is Quiet still about....

Always sort of liked the guy and you had to admire his success with that side of the business.

Angelo22 · 04-29-2007, 09:22 AM

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Iron Mike · 04-29-2007, 09:23 AM

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MandyBlake · 04-29-2007, 10:34 AM

We run two paysites and do not have an affiliate program. One of those sites has been around since 2000. The other is only about 18 months old, but both do well.

tony286 · 04-29-2007, 10:46 AM

I would love to see what a program really makes at the end of the day, I dont think its as much as everyone thinks.

BJ · 04-29-2007, 10:50 AM

low member churn % is the key.

ztik · 04-29-2007, 10:56 AM

Affiliates take 50% of total revenue.

Thats a fucking lot..

You can make way more inhouse if you know what you are doing.

nikooo · 04-29-2007, 10:56 AM

yes...nothing is impossible............everything is possible

Wizzo · 04-29-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I would love to see what a program really makes at the end of the day, I dont think its as much as everyone thinks.

It would depend on the program, as I've seen the numbers of quite a few, and some might suprise you how much they make!

grape · 04-29-2007, 11:05 AM

How much money is successful? For one guy it could be a site that does 100k a year and for someone else it would need to be 3 mill a year.

Voodoo · 04-29-2007, 11:06 AM

To make money in this industry, you need content & traffic. If you have both, you'll do fine.

Content + Traffic = Money... Repeat.

collegegirlscash · 04-29-2007, 11:07 AM

The answer is YES and a NEW site can live and even thrive without affiliates. and I'm not going to tell you how to do it, that will cost you

Jace · 04-29-2007, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

I would love to see what a program really makes at the end of the day, I dont think its as much as everyone thinks.

you would be very surprised tony

TheDoc · 04-29-2007, 11:18 AM

Quiet, qmov, and I can name a few others don't/didn't have affiliate programs.

Some paysites run a long time without an affiliate program and then open. Brutal bucks comes to mind, and my own big dick site. Many sites within affiliate programs are type-in/in-inhouse traffic driven sites - rather than affiliate driven.

If you plan on opening your paysite, you simply need to be able to update the members section correctly, cover support, and have a solid niche that will do well over a longer period of time - the more exclusive and higher quality movie type sites seem to do well. From here you need your traffic sources, either you buy from a great source that won't dry up or you build your in-house traffic sources.

Overall the largest key is having your own, steady, niched and the best quality traffic you can get your hands on.

MandyBlake · 04-29-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jace

you would be very surprised tony

i keep trying to tell him that lol

baddog · 04-29-2007, 11:42 AM

of course

DamageX · 04-29-2007, 11:43 AM

Ask quiet.

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Shoplifter · 04-29-2007, 11:54 AM

Actually I would say that the days of the affiliate model are numbered...

90% of the affiliates of any given site are generally not even doing $100 a month and are only sending worthless TGP traffic to FHG's which is a waste of time on so many levels.

You can build a TGP for less than $500 and do that yourself if you are so inclined and keep all the profits. If you are clever about sourcing traffic the sky is the limit...We have some sites with no affiliates and do very well with them.

collegegirlscash · 04-29-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Actually I would say that the days of the affiliate model are numbered...

90% of the affiliates of any given site are generally not even doing $100 a month and are only sending worthless TGP traffic to FHG's which is a waste of time on so many levels.

You can build a TGP for less than $500 and do that yourself if you are so inclined and keep all the profits. If you are clever about sourcing traffic the sky is the limit...We have some sites with no affiliates and do very well with them.

dodger21 · 04-29-2007, 01:03 PM

Dont have a single affiliate.

04-29-2007, 01:13 PM

It is more than possible. It's been done on many occasions and if one knows what they are doing and they have content that will convert, the money is there for the taking.

kristin · 04-29-2007, 01:28 PM

The time that has to be invested into an affiliate program that can be focused on driving in house sales would balance out. I know of a few sites that ran for a long time alone and successfully that have now branched out to an affiliate program.

I also know ones that branched out and said it wasn't worth it ... it all depends on what you want to focus your time and effort on.

Paul Markham · 04-29-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo

To make money in this industry, you need content & traffic. If you have both, you'll do fine.

Content + Traffic = Money... Repeat.

That's the key.

If you can generate 10 sign ups a day for yourself, without spending a fortune, keep the sign ups 6 weeks and upsell and cross sell an income of anything from $110,000 to $155,000 is possible. Deduct hosting and content and programs and you have a nice income.

Problem is very few can generate 10 sales a day. When ever I state these figures the trolls tell us you have to have an affiliate program to generate 10 sales a day. Sort of tells you where they are coming from.

Yes you can generate a very nice income without an affiliate program and without doing a lot of work, I know people who do it. But it does depend on what you call success.

Phoenix · 04-29-2007, 02:19 PM

if you have mega traffic..you dont need affiliates

but nice to have as stability

spooky181 · 04-29-2007, 02:28 PM

Me and Wendy didn't have a program for a few years and we made it big on our own. But bottom line is when we started an affiliate program we became even bigger.

So yes you can make it, but you'll make it bigger and faster with an affiliate program...

limitedcat · 04-29-2007, 02:38 PM

affiliate traffic is bullshit and rarely converts, it is becoming less and less productive every year. The old employer started a multi-girl solo site in 2000, it makes 1 million + a year now, none of the income comes from the affiliate site. I am not going to mention the site, he already has enough money...fucker.

04-29-2007, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MandyBlake

We run two paysites and do not have an affiliate program. One of those sites has been around since 2000. The other is only about 18 months old, but both do well.

That is great Mandy. My husband has a few sites that do not have an affiliate program and they are doing well too. I just combined two of my websites into one and I have made a lot of sales on the new site without an affiliate program. I have just been promoting it myself, and it was been working. I do plan to add an affiliate program though because a lot of people have asked, and I think it does help in promoting your website. I will have to see how it goes.

04-29-2007, 02:44 PM

The simple answer is that if you are successful as an affiliate, you should be successful as a paysite owner...That is if you really study paysite models and take good notes when putting together your tours and members areas.

Trixie · 04-29-2007, 03:39 PM

Probably depends on how you define "really successful".

If you have the money to advertise and buy your own traffic, then yes. If you're an indie pulling yourself up by your bootstraps without start-up money, an ability to work 150 hours with no sleep, or a brilliant concept that garners mainstream media attention, then probably not. I would bet that people who've "made it" without affiliates either a) started before there was much competition, and/or b) had buttloads of money to build/buy their own traffic.

I personally don't have the time or the money to be "really" successful without affiliates. Their traffic might cost more, but you don't have to pay them until they actually make sales. The good ones are totally worth it.

RP Fade · 04-29-2007, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztik

Affiliates take 50% of total revenue.

Thats a fucking lot..

You can make way more inhouse if you know what you are doing.

Depends how you define 'total revenue'. Affiliates take 50% of total signup/rebill revenue for rev-share (60%-80% in our case) or a flat pps, but keep in mind 90% of the programs out there also have pre-checked cross-sales ranging from an additional $30 and as high as $100 if the surfer does not cancel, along with a myriad of upsales from the member's section.

Regardless, relying purely on affiliate traffic and not being diversified is not smart business

Barefootsies · 04-29-2007, 04:03 PM

Define successful. As you see on this board, it varies greatly from what people think "sucess" is.

That said, short answer's yes. I know from experience.

pocketkangaroo · 04-29-2007, 04:18 PM

I think it would have to be a unique situation. Perhaps a micro-niche with no competition. Other than that, if you are making a profit off affiliate sales, it's a no lose situation.

I still think programs should start off with no affiliates or only a select few. Too many programs release with problems that shouldn't be there.

JimmiDean · 04-29-2007, 04:23 PM

Yes you can, but its not easy.
We had no program for years and did very well on our own.
Its nice if you can grow and refine your product first and once that the page sells and converts then you go after affiliates.

venus · 04-29-2007, 04:36 PM

Some good input from allot of people but here is my take on it.

Can you make a successful site with no affiliate program..yes you can, you also have to define successful, how much money do you feel will make you feel successful? Are you trying to measure it on your wants and needs or what you THINK other people make? There is no use in trying to measure it on others as most people are full of BS.

Also, there are allot of considerations, the more you make, the more you pay in taxes, the more affiliates you have the the higher your bandwidth bill will be and so on. Most affiliates only know how to submit galleries, most dont know any other way. Affiliates need to be creative other wise you have a bunch of tgp submitters eating up your profits.

The end is always about profits, a site with no affiliates can have the same or more profits then an affiliate program.

Webby · 04-29-2007, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Ken

This topic has come up recently. I have my opinions, now I want yours.

Can a paysite become really successful without an Affiliate Program?

Yep - no problemo - especially if the site is targetted and you already have traffic to divert to it.

There is also a factor re affiliate marketing - either spend time on this or build another "non affiliate" site. Bottom line, 90% of affiliates do little or nothing - others do good biz - it's a choice.

Yet another aspect is in solo girl sites where the girl already has an established "following" and is "known" - these have worked very well and continue to do so without an affiliate program.

Star 69 · 04-29-2007, 04:54 PM

Better to have a lot of affiliates to promote a paysite but your paysite can be successful if you know the market and buy the right ad spots, making FHG, have a good guru SEO guy, keywords on google, yahoo search etc.

Jenny S. · 04-29-2007, 07:03 PM

I had successful websites for about three years before I even started with an affiliate program.

Vegas Ken · 04-29-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by grape

How much money is successful? For one guy it could be a site that does 100k a year and for someone else it would need to be 3 mill a year.

You are right. Successful is a very subjective term.

Paul Markham · 04-29-2007, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Ken

You are right. Successful is a very subjective term.

Very true, some people think $1,000 a month is success and some think that a week is a problem.

The problem with this industry is too many think inside the box and think if they can't do it then it can't be done. Even when there is glaring evidence it can be done.

A successful site is not down to how many scenes, pictures, videos, exclusive or non exclusive, affiliates or no affiliates. It's down to how many people hit your site and get a hard on, for the money you spend getting them there.

It really is that simple.

venus · 04-29-2007, 10:18 PM

maybe for you, but for me its how much I make. I dont care how many people come to my site, I care, at the end of the day, how much I made that day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's down to how many people hit your site and get a hard on, for the money you spend getting them there.

It really is that simple.

million · 04-30-2007, 02:48 AM

Yes .... I think it would be possible

Tiffany Preston · 04-30-2007, 08:08 AM

i think it help to get an affiliate program

Barefootsies · 04-30-2007, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

Some good input from allot of people but here is my take on it.

Can you make a successful site with no affiliate program..yes you can, you also have to define successful, how much money do you feel will make you feel successful? Are you trying to measure it on your wants and needs or what you THINK other people make? There is no use in trying to measure it on others as most people are full of BS.

Also, there are allot of considerations, the more you make, the more you pay in taxes, the more affiliates you have the the higher your bandwidth bill will be and so on. Most affiliates only know how to submit galleries, most dont know any other way. Affiliates need to be creative other wise you have a bunch of tgp submitters eating up your profits.

The end is always about profits, a site with no affiliates can have the same or more profits then an affiliate program.

Exactamundo...

DamageX · 04-30-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Star 69

Better to have a lot of affiliates to promote a paysite but your paysite can be successful if you know the market and buy the right ad spots, making FHG, have a good guru SEO guy, keywords on google, yahoo search etc.

Dude, you're a fucking genius! One couldn't tell that you're nothing but a spammer!

04-29-2007, 09:18 AM	#1
Vegas Ken Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,151	Can a Paysite be Successful w/o an Affiliate Program? This topic has come up recently. I have my opinions, now I want yours. Can a paysite become really successful without an Affiliate Program? Is the Affilliate Model so entrenched in this industry that you can't really have a hit it out of the park success without it. Or is the Affiliate Model just a way to speed up the success of a site? Does anyone have examples of successful paysites that made it big without an Affiliate Program? I look forward to hearing everyones thoughts...... __________________ Skype: vegas_ken

04-29-2007, 09:20 AM	#2
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04-29-2007, 09:20 AM	#3
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	There are sites that do this now, and honestly it is entirely possible... One would have to have vast knowledge and ability to come up with steady traffic sources, and be willing to do business to business, but it's definitely a possibility. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

04-29-2007, 09:21 AM	#4
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	I've seen a few over the years, but none recently... Personally, I think its hard for any site to do better than what they can do with a army of affiliates. __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

04-29-2007, 09:22 AM	#6
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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	for sure YES...in fact, the way I see it, if you start up a paysite and can't sustain the growth on your OWN before affiliates come into play, then you either need a LOT of money to make it for a while or you don't belong in the paysite owners club I know quite a few paysite owners that have no affiliates at all and make it quite nicely....i would love to post examples, but most of these guys want nothing to do with boards, so they would get pretty upset there is one regular poster on GFY that has 2 paysite and no affiliate program and he is making some serious cash

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04-29-2007, 10:34 AM	#9
MandyBlake The one and only! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 17,761	We run two paysites and do not have an affiliate program. One of those sites has been around since 2000. The other is only about 18 months old, but both do well. __________________ Mandy's Playhouse Her First Fat Girl If you're interested in promoting my sites, ICQ me! 178411921

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I would love to see what a program really makes at the end of the day, I dont think its as much as everyone thinks.

04-29-2007, 10:50 AM	#11
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04-29-2007, 11:05 AM	#15
grape Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80	How much money is successful? For one guy it could be a site that does 100k a year and for someone else it would need to be 3 mill a year.

04-29-2007, 11:06 AM	#16
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04-29-2007, 11:07 AM	#17
collegegirlscash Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 572	The answer is YES and a NEW site can live and even thrive without affiliates. and I'm not going to tell you how to do it, that will cost you

04-29-2007, 11:18 AM	#19
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Quiet, qmov, and I can name a few others don't/didn't have affiliate programs. Some paysites run a long time without an affiliate program and then open. Brutal bucks comes to mind, and my own big dick site. Many sites within affiliate programs are type-in/in-inhouse traffic driven sites - rather than affiliate driven. If you plan on opening your paysite, you simply need to be able to update the members section correctly, cover support, and have a solid niche that will do well over a longer period of time - the more exclusive and higher quality movie type sites seem to do well. From here you need your traffic sources, either you buy from a great source that won't dry up or you build your in-house traffic sources. Overall the largest key is having your own, steady, niched and the best quality traffic you can get your hands on. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,720	Actually I would say that the days of the affiliate model are numbered... 90% of the affiliates of any given site are generally not even doing $100 a month and are only sending worthless TGP traffic to FHG's which is a waste of time on so many levels. You can build a TGP for less than $500 and do that yourself if you are so inclined and keep all the profits. If you are clever about sourcing traffic the sky is the limit...We have some sites with no affiliates and do very well with them.

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04-29-2007, 01:28 PM	#28
kristin GOO! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Back Home : ) Posts: 9,768	The time that has to be invested into an affiliate program that can be focused on driving in house sales would balance out. I know of a few sites that ran for a long time alone and successfully that have now branched out to an affiliate program. I also know ones that branched out and said it wasn't worth it ... it all depends on what you want to focus your time and effort on. __________________ Vacares rules. "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

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spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	Me and Wendy didn't have a program for a few years and we made it big on our own. But bottom line is when we started an affiliate program we became even bigger. So yes you can make it, but you'll make it bigger and faster with an affiliate program...

04-29-2007, 02:38 PM	#32
limitedcat Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 102	affiliate traffic is bullshit and rarely converts, it is becoming less and less productive every year. The old employer started a multi-girl solo site in 2000, it makes 1 million + a year now, none of the income comes from the affiliate site. I am not going to mention the site, he already has enough money...fucker.

04-29-2007, 02:44 PM	#34
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	The simple answer is that if you are successful as an affiliate, you should be successful as a paysite owner...That is if you really study paysite models and take good notes when putting together your tours and members areas.

04-29-2007, 03:39 PM	#35
Trixie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: near Seattle, WA Posts: 1,850	Probably depends on how you define "really successful". If you have the money to advertise and buy your own traffic, then yes. If you're an indie pulling yourself up by your bootstraps without start-up money, an ability to work 150 hours with no sleep, or a brilliant concept that garners mainstream media attention, then probably not. I would bet that people who've "made it" without affiliates either a) started before there was much competition, and/or b) had buttloads of money to build/buy their own traffic. I personally don't have the time or the money to be "really" successful without affiliates. Their traffic might cost more, but you don't have to pay them until they actually make sales. The good ones are totally worth it. __________________ WebWhoreBucks: Girls, a guy and a tranny -- unique indie porn!

04-29-2007, 04:03 PM	#37
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04-29-2007, 04:18 PM	#38
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I think it would have to be a unique situation. Perhaps a micro-niche with no competition. Other than that, if you are making a profit off affiliate sales, it's a no lose situation. I still think programs should start off with no affiliates or only a select few. Too many programs release with problems that shouldn't be there.

04-29-2007, 04:23 PM	#39
JimmiDean Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Margarittaville Posts: 3,433	Yes you can, but its not easy. We had no program for years and did very well on our own. Its nice if you can grow and refine your product first and once that the page sells and converts then you go after affiliates. __________________ My God there's Porn on here! Still on the Beach !!!

04-29-2007, 04:36 PM	#40
venus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 3,112	Some good input from allot of people but here is my take on it. Can you make a successful site with no affiliate program..yes you can, you also have to define successful, how much money do you feel will make you feel successful? Are you trying to measure it on your wants and needs or what you THINK other people make? There is no use in trying to measure it on others as most people are full of BS. Also, there are allot of considerations, the more you make, the more you pay in taxes, the more affiliates you have the the higher your bandwidth bill will be and so on. Most affiliates only know how to submit galleries, most dont know any other way. Affiliates need to be creative other wise you have a bunch of tgp submitters eating up your profits. The end is always about profits, a site with no affiliates can have the same or more profits then an affiliate program. __________________ Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

04-29-2007, 04:54 PM	#42
Star 69 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Russia Posts: 8,602	Better to have a lot of affiliates to promote a paysite but your paysite can be successful if you know the market and buy the right ad spots, making FHG, have a good guru SEO guy, keywords on google, yahoo search etc. __________________ e-mail star69

04-29-2007, 07:03 PM	#43
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