Grapesoda

so I have a 1911 that I have to protect my self on model interviews/test shoots . . that I never load unless I'm doing a test shoot, never carry around with me, (except shooting nudes in the woods, I keep it in my car trunk) taken 2 safety courses with, have under lock and key and that makes me a 'gun nut'?

pretty interesting . . .

Dirty F

The issue is that only the US and a bunch of 3rd world and middle east countries have a gun problem. Basically anywhere else where guns are illegal its safer. Yet you keep defending guns. Look at the problem the US has with guns. Yet you keep defending them. Why??? Are you this blinded by your so called freedom?

Dirty F

Why are you so goddamned proud of your freedom to buy a gun while that same freedom fucked up the US when it comes to gun violence. What is there to be so proud of????

Every country that has anti guns laws the people are happy with that. Because it works. Yet people like you act like the only way a country can function is if people are allowed to own guns. Thats why you are a fucking imbecile.

websiex

Well... guns are in their own league when it comes to danger and prohibition. Take drugs for example, even though they are banned, banning them has no effect on the use of drugs. On the other hand, when guns are banned, statistics show that murder rate by gun actually goes down.

Matt 26z

The average US neighborhood is not fucked up by gun violence at all. The problem is in the ghettos. Most of the people who live in those areas have a criminal mindset anyway, so they aren't going to give up their guns even if they were made illegal.

But if you want to talk about middle class areas on up, there is no gun problem. Even the white trailer park trash areas don't have a gun problem. Anti-gun people are basing their opinions on a couple violent segments of the population who rob gas stations and do drive by shootings.

Grapesoda

for one thing guns are an inanimate object . . guns can't 'cause' any problems . . secondly, you are trying desperately to escalate this into an argument . . which I for one will not participate in. and third, you'll have to back up yer 'facts' with data if ya want to make broad sweeping statements that murders are higher in the US per capita than other counties because of guns . .


now on a personal note: I have noticed from your post on this forum that any one who does NOT agree with you is at fault, crazy, misdirected or has some other mental defect . . interesting perspective . . . would you be justified in killing me?

Grapesoda

murder rate by 'gun' yes, but what about the murder rate in general per capita?

Dirty F

Oh man....

I can write what i want but you are so delusional if you type stuff like this that it wont matter. Ok, no more argueing with you. And yes, you ARE an imbecile. The quote sentence above is the evidence.

websiex

Well, the US isn't #1 in Murder, but after you go through the countries like Columbia and Venezula, etc, the US is up there with around 3x more murders than France/UK...

RawAlex

The problem is this: You feel the need to have the gun for "protection". Protection from what? I suspect you fear someone else with a gun.

Think about it. cause and effect, chicken and egg...

RawAlex

Where do you think they get their guns? They break into nice middle class homes and steal them?

Grapesoda

start testing models from ads in the paper and then get back to me or be standing out in the woods with a hot nude babe when a car load of gang bangers drives by . . . then I'd love some input from ya about safety and guns

Angelo22

guns are evil. period.

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_Richard_

it isn't so much you.. weapons breed violence. If you pull a gun, most likely someone is going to pull what they have, hopefully bigger. From there, what happens if your car or house gets broken into? You loose that gun to some 15 year old punk with a chip on his shoulder?

That would suck to know that you're responsible for innocent peoples deaths because you didn't store your gun properly.

I sleep iwth a knife under my bed. It works for me

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Grapesoda

no knifes for me thank you . .

Grapesoda

grrrr . . a gateway gun!!!

tree

Why do you care so much? You dont live here. It's really none of your fucking business. Why dont you stick to the politics of your own country. I will sum it up here for you so you dont have to make 62 more threads on the subject. :insert drumroll:


Americans have a Cowboy Complex. plain and simple

its not going away anytime soon, its a problem when sick retards own guns yes. Normal people are not going to give up the guns they have. Nobody is going to ban guns no matter how many people you call stupid or imbicile.

In a perfect candycane world guns wouldn't have been invented and people would pay for music and we would all sing pretty songs and dance all day. But this is reality and just like mp3's you cant put a genie back in a bottle. Guns are not going anywhere. America has and will always be a little more violent and crazy than the rest of the world. Maybe it's the media, the water, or the Mcdonalds. But if you took away all the guns guess what?....Steak knife and ballbat murders would skyrocket.

Grapesoda

'people would pay for music' . . yer killin me with that one

RawAlex

But your fear is motivated by what? That they might have guns? Most gangbangers are big men only because they got a piece turned at a 90 degree angle to look like someone in the movies.

Grapesoda

your being rhetorical and I'm being 'actual.' real big difference between theory and reality when guns/violence and pussy are concerned . . I think you would have a different outlook with the experiences I've had and continue to have shooting pussy . . ask photo greg about it sometime

J. Falcon

Americans love their guns and rather shoot it out then illegalize them. And dont forget its also a multibillion dollar a year industry.

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Weapons are necessary tools to maintaining freedom.

It's been that way since the dawn of time. The sum of human history results in that truth, if nothing else.

IMHO, anyone who feels civilization has moved beyond this necessity is fooling themselves.

I also think that anyone that feels strongly enough about that conviction to tell others that they need to destroy their weapons - or refer to others in a derogatory manner for not doing so is promoting a dangerous sort of ignorance.

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LiveDose

The US is made up of people from every country. Did you ever think that maybe people have left in order to be able to make choices such as gun ownership and not being told by the government when we can shit and eat.

As passionate as you are against guns, many Americans appreciate and want their right to own guns. It goes to the core of this country's history. Something that is probably hard to understand if you are not American.

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Mediachick

Okay, I dont know what area you live in and I dont care how dangerous it is or whatever... But let me tell you that all the models I know (including myself) would NEVER go have an interview/shooting with you knowing that you have a gun in the trunk, no matter how 'safety courses' you've taken. No offense but this is just common sense.

Besides, if your gun is locked how are you suppose to pull it out if someone threatens you? You're gonna say what; excuse me, dont slit my throat while I search for my key to pull out my weapon? LOL

Oh and just a friend's advice; if the girls you are interviewing down there are a death thread, for the love of God, RELOCATE!!!

I have had enough of argueing against or for guns, trully I couldnt care less. Nothing's gonna change anyway. But hell, this is just paranoia to me... Geeze.

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Grapesoda

actually you're wrong on all accounts,. every time I've taken the gun it was discussed before hand with myself and the model . . I open the trunk when shooting . . I no longer test 'blacks' so I seldom need the gun . . I did have to load and carry the gun last year too escort 2 models to their cars because a 'model boyfriend' was making threats and had called my place while the 2 models were here and made serious threats.. the models were glad I had the gun, so was I. you made your point when you said you 'don't care'. I 'do care' . . .

he-fox

no, that makes you a normal guy in a gun nuts country.

grumpy

just read your newspapers and then come back with these arguments. The fact is that gun related problems are much higer then for example any european country ( around 30 times ) and yes we have ghettos to.

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Dirty F

Yup, and thats why so many countries are more free than the US without everyone owning a gun.

Fucking imbecile. How exactly do you get statements like this? Do you read them somewhere or make them up yourself or what?

grumpy

it has nothing to do with common sense. You just live in fear and therefore feel a need to have a gun. We shoot shitloads of models and we have never needed a gun and when we think there will be a problem we call the police. Dont let fear control your life.

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Mediachick

Seriously hun, no offense... You have your ways but there is NO way I would ever work with someone that is carrying a gun and certainly not book my girls on shoots with that same person. When I recruit I always make sure there will be no crazy boyfriends barging in my office afterwards. And you're right, I dont care because there is nothing to be done about this issue. Ppl have been killing each other since the man walks on earth weather it is with a gun, fists, knife or anything. Only difference is that I just accept it and try not to hang out with threatening ppl. You dont trust anybody to the point that you are carrying a gun? Fine! Then how IN HELL can you blame me not trusting a guy who's gonna get me naked keeping a gun at reach in the middle of the woods?

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Grapesoda

fear doesn't control my life . . I no longer shoot models that I think are gonna cause probs or work with peeps that cause me to consider the gun . . the reality it that has a content shooter I deal with a very low element of society . . maybe the Canadians are different and for the most part the models here are okay however let me ask you this . . . 'do you have a fire extinguisher in you home?' 'do you have an earthquake kit?' 'do you have flashlights and candles?' 'do you have a spare tire in yer car?' . . last time there was a murder in the building I lived in (several years ago) it took the cops about an hour to get there after I called about shots fired . . try sitting in an apartment while 2 peps are being murdered next door with a shotgun and waiting an hour for the cops and you don't have any way to defend yerself . . you might find that interesting. .

Dirty F

And you keep on crying that guns arent a problem. You are insane. Look at your own damn posts you imbecile. Just read what you just typed. Its fucked up. Its nuts. And you are a part of it.

Mediachick

I guess if you chose to live in a ghetto its your problem. I have never experienced such thing simply because I dont chose to live in such a place. Dont you hate having to be nervous about each and every person that you meet or work with? I think if you rather have a gun then to find a safe place to live, then you really just like your gun and people who 'likes guns' disturb me in a way... By the way, my fire extinguisher wont ever cause my brains to be blown over the walls if it goes off while im burning a steak on the stove

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Grapesoda

so if I don't agree with your views I'm a mental defect? is that the way of the world? interesting point of view. . hopefully you don't have a gun to make people obey your will, because obviously you believe you point of view is the only correct one . . how far will you go to enforce that BTW?

Grapesoda

so when people are poor it's their own fault and they deserve to get murdered? yes I can see where someone like you might think that was funny . .

Dirty F

You think its normal that you need a gun with you and you are proud of that = YOU ARE INSANE!!!

Fucking nutjob.

Mediachick

Since you are here and claiming to be a content shooter, I assumed you could afford living wherever you wanted. I come from a poor background and now I make more money then both of my parents together. To me, it takes a functionning brain to make your way in this world. NOT a gun.

Have you been reading my comments before? Im curious to know your opinion about it

Oh, and btw-WHAT is that funny thing you are referring to?

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GatorB

Get outta here with your logic and reasoning and statistical proof. Don't you know this is debate on GUNS. That's not allowed.

Grapesoda

please reference where I said I carry a gun. I stated that I have loaded and kept a gun handy when the occasion called for it . . I never said I carry a gun . . don't worry I never wanna see you nakid . . so a question to you; is being a pimp any relation to you not caring?

Grapesoda

I've only been a content shooter for 7 years. BTW I don't 'claim' to be a content shooter, I am a content shooter.

D

As I told you yesterday, bro... there's no need to call me names in an effort to compensate whatever it is you're attempting to compensate for.

As far as where I got that statement, it's my own... having taken roughly a dozen political science and history courses, Americanism and Western/Human/Evolutionary History are all hobby subjects of mine.... maybe not as favored as biology, astronomy, zymurgy, or mathematics... but they rank up there in my interests.

I'm not arguing what countries better than what countries or which has more freedoms or what the root causes of violence in our society is or whatever... I don't feel I'm really qualified to. Those are matters that you seem to be stuck on.

But I do feel I'm qualified to say that for the last 50,000 years, the human (or human civilization) with the biggest stick has defined what "freedom" is.

And I do feel I'm in a place to say what the Founding Fathers of the U.S.'s intent was when they secured the Second Amendment to ensure that the citizenry of the U.S. would be in a place to protect their individual freedoms and liberties in the future - from enemies foreign and domestic.

And that's really all I've said on the matter, I think.

Where you get your slanders from that is beyond me.

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Mediachick

Carrying a gun to a content shoot is carrying a gun. What else do you wanna call it? And how do you know that the situation is 'called for it'? I wasnt implying to ever having you seeing ME naked, but to have any model modeling nude for whatever projects you are working on, geeze. As for being a pimp, um, well what do you mean by that exactly? I dont see the point in this towards that discussion to be honest.

Again, my only point was that if you are so paranoid to the point of 'having/carrying/keeping a gun handy, then how could you blame anyone to not trust a guy shooting porn with a gun near by? In fact all I am doing here is following your logic of 'security'.

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Grapesoda

I've shot thousands of models doing all kinds of stuff . . 98% of the time there are no probs and don't worry, we'll never do any biz together

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Grapesoda

hey d, I study social anthropology, the histories of societies and the role of the individuals along with comparative religions, social trends, cultural myths, and cultural migrations as a hobby . . what a hoot!! ever read any thomas sowell? -bmb

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“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” - George Mason, during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788)

“arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property…Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.” - Thomas Paine

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.” - Thomas Jefferson

“The said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” - Samuel Adams, U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788

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“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” - Thomas Jefferson

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Matt 26z

I love how some of you think. That if you eliminate the guns from the law abiding citizens, then the criminals won't have their gun supply anymore.

You couldn't be any more wrong.

The fact is that if you banned guns today and were somehow able to stop anyone on American soil from obtaining a new gun, there are so many in circulation that it would be many decades before they were confiscated or broke.

And there is one other very important factor to this. Europe's anti-gun laws work because every country in the region has them. The criminals can't easily trade guns from country to country. However if you ban guns in the US, they still come in from Mexico along with the drugs and go directly into the hands of street gangs.

Foreigners seem to think that Americans at all levels are at risk of being shot. That is sooooo wrong. Assuming you don't live in an area that is predominately black and Mexican (not trying to be racist, just stating a fact), you will probably go your entire life without hearing a gunshot in your neighborhood.

HeadPimp

Well, we may have guns and that scares everyone, but according to these numbers, we aren't so bad in murder rates. Anyone want to move to Columbia?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ers-per-capita