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Webby 04-18-2007 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12278175)
Don't get me wrong, I'd love not to have to pay tax on everything. But I also enjoy driving on roads, having public services readily available (police/fire/library/schools), and some form of protection when I put my money in the bank. I don't understand how we'd be able to maintain these things without some taxes being paid.

I've also never encountered any problems dealing with other countries. I hire programmers and designers all around the world, make transactions with ease, and have never been stymied by anything the government has done. The 2257 regulations do suck, and I feel they are overboard. I do support a form of 2257 for maintaining someone is 18 and am happy we are not like other countries where child pornography and child sex trafficking is prevelant.

Again, I'm not sure what problems you foresee in businesses in the US having. It's easy to start, taxes are low, and regulations are soft.



I know there are a lot of great schools in the world. I'm just saying that more people come to the US for education than anywhere else.

As for the value of education for money, it's hard to tell. I believe an average college grad will earn $11,000 more a year than a non-graduate. If you add up the numbers in a lifetime, it makes going to college a solid investment, especially if you study a profession that is in high demand. Despite what some GFYers will say, it is tough to find a well paying job without a college degree.

The price of college is tricky, as there is a big discrepency from public to private universities. If you go to a public state school, you really won't pay a lot at all. Most of your high priced schools are private, and they have to fund themselves and pay for their high priced professors. I don't know how you can tell Harvard that they should charge less seeing as they are privately owned and operated. Not to mention that someone receiving a degree from a high priced, well known school will most likely not have a problem getting a substantially high paid job. I'm not sure what your solution for this is?



There is no doubt that health costs are more expensive in the US. This is because of education, malpractice insurance, and doctors having the most high tech equipment in the field. Insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies have far too much power and fuck over a lot of people while the government turns a blind eye. The system needs a lot of work.

But we also have the most medically advanced technology and doctors in the world. While I'm sure people head to your country for procedures, people all across the world head to the US for advanced procedures and experimental treatments not found anywhere else. The industry is constantly advancing and if you were sick (and money wasn't a factor), I couldn't fathom you not wanting to be treated in this country. The financial factor is a problem, but it is also what drives pharmaceutical companies and doctors to become better.




I'm not sure you'd prefer the standard of living to the average Chinese person to the average American. While Americans bitch a lot about crap, they do have an extremely high standard of living. A poor kid is considered one whose parents can't buy him an iPod. The cell phone argument is fairly moot considering they have many more people than any other country, and the percent of people in China owning a cell phone is still signifigantly lower than the US and especially Europe.

While they are growing rapidly, they also rely heavily on exporting goods and thus heavily on other countries to remain strong and continue buying. I'd still prefer my US or European traffic to Chinese traffic any day of the week.

You seriously think I'm gonna even bother answering???? *lol*

OK.. Will take whatever is the first bit... and, at a quick scan - I got all these things. Got no intention of living in a shithouse :-) You think no tax or low tax regimes don't have facilities??? Hell.. the health system here is always ranking on par with the US every year. It's called managing an economy - which is exactly the problem within the US at the moment.

OK.. Got to divert for a while, but prob pick ya up later :thumbsup

Swish 04-18-2007 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 12278170)
You should focus on the word "ignorant" rather than calling my postings retarded. :2 cents:

$MY_POST = str_replace("retarded", "ignorant", $MY_POST); :thumbsup

Webby 04-19-2007 12:52 AM

OK... Back for a moment PK!

Just read your post and agree with a lot of the background you mentioned...

Will pick up on items....

As mentioned before.. offshore does not exactly mean "poor" - these places collect substantial funds simply because they are offshore jurisdictions (stuff like corp formation fees, annual renewals, shipping licenses ad nausea). Some do have limited services, but not so you would notice.

Give you an example of biz environment - prob part of the main difference, which happens to really only apply to the US (all other countries don't have this problem) is that the US has taxation on global earnings. It just would not be sensible to have a corp within that jurisdiction - and then waste time on the laws etc - eg 2257 etc.

Again.. tho talking only of the adult industry here - even places like the UK, a number of other Euro countries - and some elsewhere - all have better biz environments for "adult".

Sure... can see on the education side there can be differences. Give ya an example of here.... the number of higher education institutions is kinda high and the "philosophy" is definitely different. Example.... got a young guy here who does tech stuff - he is still at college. He already has his degree and doing a doctorate. Just happened to ask him what the cost of this is? Replies... $340/year *lol* Basically the education system is funded on the basis that education is the future of the country - and it sure shows in many ways. Got another young girl who does other (non adult) stuff - she is a marine biologist and tho only around 22 or so, she is damned good and produces excellent material. (Also very firmly believes in what she is doing).
Downside is they are churning out lawyers like mosquitos - unfortunately, you got to dismiss them - they have no experience to give good legal advice and will have a hard time getting that experience. Flip side, there are plenty IT-related as well - so, least there is some balance.

There are a number of high tech establishments here - people like Intel etc - the reason they are here is a combination of things - lower wage bill and highly qualified workforce. Education is very relevant in many ways - other things follow on :-) (Despite that - nothing is perfect - and still plenty stuff needs sorting)

Healthcare... sure.. legal suites are prob the core problem and agree on the pharma side - it's a joke. Used to live in Fla and the first time I ever new there was a problem was in a pharmacy - the stuff cost considerably more than elsewhere. (But... a lot of other product is considerably cheaper in the US - including food!)

The reason folks come here for medical stuff is.... prob heart operations at the top of the list. The cost is... around 30% of the US equivalent. There are also other types of medicine and some "superficial" stuff like plastic surgery.

On the US treatment side (policy stuff) - hell - don't really need that policy - it was a leftover from being in the Caribbean where there would be a need to fly out for more serious medical treatment. The medical services here are pretty good and very much the same as the US.

China and exporting..... don't matter what country - they all need to export. If they have nothing to export, they are not even in the international market and (unless they can magic up some source of cash) they can't afford to import. (Balance of payments) Don't think there is much doubt that China (and a few other Asian countries), - will supercede both the US and EU within a relatively short time. The total production from Asia is prob going to be something this planet has never seen yet. (That is both good and bad - screws the place up!)

OK.. Back to the US.... Would say this.... irrespective of the country, it's prob not going to be a pretty picture. This also applies to the EU, - although the EU may not have reached this stage yet - but it's going to get bogged down in utter bullshit and be unable to compete on a sufficiently high basis on the international market - this is the stage the US is at now (balance of trade is at a deficit). Firmly believe in the longer term (tho not too long!), Asia will be the economic hub.

At the moment the US economy is... whatever, but unsustainable and with a building debt. Europe is still in control - but wait till bullshitters get behind comfortable seats and that will change. At rough guess.... the US is bordering on "severe" but not there yet. We will notice when that comes. The danger is external influences can screw stuff further - need a crystal ball. But it's not healthy for any nation to be consistently borrowing at the current level and very little loan being paid back. This is already reflected in the low dollar value - and gutsy feeling, this will continue to sink, which means higher import costs - and that don't help.

No country has any desire to screw another (least in any normal economy) - but if the "banker" gets uncomfortable and starts dumping currency - that could be a disaster. Basically it's back to a scenario where the corp is stagnant and the bank is owed millions - the bank pulls the plug and cut their losses with as little damage to themselves as possible. This is not going to be so dramatic in the instance of a country - but can be very severe.

USA Inc currently the world's biggest debtor while other nations are... well... range from "getting by" to bundles of cash. If you think of countries as corps - which corp would you prefer? The one with masses of debt or one at least breaking even?

OK.. another book finished! :winkwink:

Ace_luffy 04-19-2007 01:10 AM

show some pics........

Vendot 04-19-2007 02:22 AM

Irony is...... if it wasnt for Iraq, the USA would be doing OKAY.

When they went in, they thought they would be getting oil revenue.

Now, everything has fallen to shit they know they wont be getting oil revenue as it must go to the "IRAQI PEOPLE" to compensate for all the shit thats going down there :1orglaugh

And now they cant leave, theyre stuck there and people in the middle east are laughing hard because they know they can keep the USA STUCK there by pumping foreign fighters into Iraq and keeping it unstable, know that if the shit hits the fan USA will take the blame. All the while, billions are being spent keeping them there. Fucking DISASTER :1orglaugh

LadyMischief 04-19-2007 04:39 AM

Ever seen the TV show "Jericho"? If not, watch it. I think that's a much larger liklihood :)

BigPinPin 04-19-2007 05:00 AM

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we need a revolution, maybe take over some small country during that time, maybe france?
You canīt even take over the fucked up iraq for 100% but france ? LOL :1orglaugh forget it.
Next Empires ? China ? we will see...I tell you right now, that the next empires are empires that will know how to deal without oil from other countries etc.. My mother is working with lots of chinese companies and also the NASA together (Galvano)...China is dependent on many other countries...if they will stop one time to give them what they need, they are fucked.

USA ? I wonder that so many people donīt raise their fists and stand up. Ok ok I donīt really wonder because you see the same shit in europe as well.

aico 04-19-2007 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by vendot (Post 12278625)
Irony is...... if it wasnt for Iraq, the USA would be doing OKAY.

When they went in, they thought they would be getting oil revenue.

Now, everything has fallen to shit they know they wont be getting oil revenue as it must go to the "IRAQI PEOPLE" to compensate for all the shit thats going down there :1orglaugh

And now they cant leave, theyre stuck there and people in the middle east are laughing hard because they know they can keep the USA STUCK there by pumping foreign fighters into Iraq and keeping it unstable, know that if the shit hits the fan USA will take the blame. All the while, billions are being spent keeping them there. Fucking DISASTER :1orglaugh

WWII people actually pitched in for the war, stopped spending crazy, brought in metal for recycling, volunteered, even grew "victory gardens" to help out... :2 cents:

Michael O 04-19-2007 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by billybathgate (Post 12277982)
Yep and a high percentage of our goods come from china but i doubt its the same the other way around

China is on the offensive when it comes to getting raw materials from Africa, China is giving massive loans to African countries to secure contracts to buy their raw materials.

Mr. Blue 04-19-2007 06:04 AM

I think people are too narrowly focused on the U.S. and it's survival.

The world on the whole is near collapse. A Petroleum based world economy is heading for a crash. When it hits that boiling point all the "civilization" goes out the window because if you remove the creature comforts for 72 hours humans revert back to their caveman style instincts.

Pink-AE 04-19-2007 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 12277580)
I am seeing the start of another civil war in the US. Only during that time do I not see the US being a super power. after the dust settles, I think things will work our again, and the US will rise stronger than before.

Man that is a ludicrous thing to say. There is no way any force could even organise let along mobilise against the government. They'd be locked away for sedition in a heartbeat. Same goes for any other western democratic country. Britian, Australia.

There will never be a civil war in these unless its in the aftermath of invasion or nuclear attack. Even then unlikely and very short lived.

This whole thread is idiotic. I think we should delete it before it lowers the IQ of everyone who reads this garbage.

JMM 04-19-2007 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BigPinPin (Post 12278926)
You canīt even take over the fucked up iraq for 100% but france ? LOL :1orglaugh forget it.
Next Empires ? China ? we will see...I tell you right now, that the next empires are empires that will know how to deal without oil from other countries etc.. My mother is working with lots of chinese companies and also the NASA together (Galvano)...China is dependent on many other countries...if they will stop one time to give them what they need, they are fucked.

USA ? I wonder that so many people donīt raise their fists and stand up. Ok ok I donīt really wonder because you see the same shit in europe as well.

True.

Most don't know that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because of oil.

It's a crazy world we live in.

Probono 04-19-2007 07:10 AM

A few observations from history

No empire lasts for ever.
The world is changing environmentally, politically and economically.
Communication is better than ever before so the average person can, if they choose know more, faster than their parents.
All countries are economically co dependant.
War is and always has been a profit center and will always be present

The tragedy of the US from a US citizen, now Expat looking back is simple.
Most US citizens never leave the US nor do they speak a second language so they have little idea what goes on outside the US.

Many US citizens doubt the propaganda from their government BUT have little time to worry about it because the mortgage or rent is due next week.

The current US administration, although the worst in my life, is just hastening the path to decreased freedoms that started shortly after 1776.

I doubt there will be a civil war in the US unless people cannot feed their families, that is what causes civil wars; starve or fight. Equally I doubt the US can maintain the current standard of living most people see on US television but there will always be wealthy people, they are everyplace. There will always be poor people they are everyplace also, but there will be more of them.

In the past the US was a place a single blue collar worker could afford a high quality life style for his family, now it takes two earners and it's often difficult for them; it will get much worse. If China allows it's currency to float Walmart will not be a bargin anymore and you might be ssurprised how fast thet will effect inflation and consumer prices.

Joesho 04-19-2007 07:18 AM

Fuck it, as long as I get at least one good summer out on the lake, I am ready for the apocoloyspe.

campimp 04-19-2007 07:20 AM

america is not going anywhere anytime soon...

but i give the world about 5 years before they start to realize the american dollar isnt even worth the paper it is printed on. once the world stops demanding dollars and the dollar collapses americans are fucked, but then again maybe it will just be time to nuke a couple countries and get back on top again

Egomancer 04-19-2007 07:42 AM

I live in Romania and the USD fell 4% in the last 2 weeks. Except this, all the best to all of you...

Egomancer

YanksAngel 04-19-2007 09:10 AM

I think this is a mute subject to be honest. Americans are in trouble and it all comes down to complacency and reasoning away the lines between right and wrong. None of us have the right to even complain if we as a nation sit back and say nothing of the wrong doings that go on in our own neighborhoods much less in our government.

We have fathers pouring gasoline on our 4 year old children and setting them ablaze. We have people walking into McDonalds and blowing the head of a 2 year old off while having lunch with mom and there is no public outcry. These things should envoke anger in us the likes of which could be heard around the world.

Until we have the guts to first clearly define right and wrong and second be willing to stand up for those beliefs again we are all very much apart of the down fall and it begins with us. All that we are talking about begins with who we have become. If Americans can't do the right thing in our own small little communities how can we possibly rule the world.

You know what I am saying is true. Our nation was powerful in the past because we lived in a time where honor was everything to a man. To be without honor in the society would mean he was not worth anything at all. Today we have liars and cheaters and thieves and gangs all doing things to hurt others right in front of our very eyes and what do we do? We look the other way. We are in a bad way because of who we are inside and what we do or don't even know we believe in.

God help us to remember to stand up for what is right and wrong and give us the courage to shout it from our own very rooftops... Before it is too late to save us. It all starts with you.... each of you. I know this sounds so simplified and like nothing to do with all of this but IMO it is the core of this . It is how we got here and why we are not able to snap out of it.

Two more things to point out briefly... We have a President that can't keep his dick in his pants long enough to protect the reputation of a nation during his term and then bold faced lies about it and we do nothing. What did that teach our youth about right and wrong? It taught them that they can get away with anything as long as you know the right people or can reason it away. Not standing up and punishing the wrong doers.

Phoenix, I don't know who you are or if you were joking or not but I think what you wrote shows nothing less than you needing your ass kicked and then a lesson in respect. if I was a man and could reach you , I would make sure the lesson was given by me. Even if you were joking, you offended me and I am sure others. Don't let it happen again ... please.

Stand up, and others will join you. Define, teach and when people around you show less than honor get angry and let your voices unite and be heard.
Thanks for listening.

Jman 04-19-2007 09:12 AM

Canada is the sleeping Giant ;-)

CDSmith 04-19-2007 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by YanksAngel (Post 12279997)
Phoenix, I don't know who you are or if you were joking or not but I think what you wrote shows nothing less than you needing your ass kicked and then a lesson in respect. if I was a man and could reach you , I would make sure the lesson was given by me. Even if you were joking, you offended me and I am sure others. Don't let it happen again ... please.

Are you perhaps referring to this?...

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 12277589)
come on guys..long live usa...lets invade iran and syria...take their oil and shit...its all good man.
then we can invade canada and take their water and electric plants

those canadians are lucky to be next to us anyway


If so, I would suggest doing the following:

1) look up the term "s-a-r-c-a-s-m"

2) Try reading the board a little longer instead of posting, you'll get a better feel for certain people's posting styles.


cheers. :D

viking1 04-19-2007 10:31 AM

OMG just heard it on CNN , Mexico invade California now :

" we want what belong to us " :)

YanksAngel 04-19-2007 10:33 AM

My point is that even if it were sarcasm and i figured it was, it was not cool. Why should anyone need to learn your "style' to take offense. I don't think it was funny and though I had the intellect to see it was just your way of sarcasm it showed disrespect. Do you think Canadians or the others found it gave them a chuckle. I don't want to fight I just think you can surely agree it was at least in bad taste. Thats all. Anytime you speak publicly and reference a country and represent one too, others will read your words and they will not know your writing style either. True?

And hey there Mr. so I am new to posting on the board. I usually only open my mouth when I have something worth saying and well I felt this was worth saying. Now everyone knows I am but a newbie. Shhhhh.

Did you like what I had to say though other than the last paragraph Phoenix? Did it make sense? I would like a bit of feedback on that if you had some time. Don't stay mad at an Angel ok?

huey 04-19-2007 11:02 AM

All empires must fall.

Paul 04-19-2007 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 12277798)
Exactly. :thumbsup

All it takes to envoke Martial Law is a pandemic of some sort and the Bush administration has been preping us for such a thing. First Sars, then Bird Flu.......

I must say that I'm rather speptical about the threat of Bird Flu and the promotion of the vaccine Tamiflu once I found out about how much Donald Rumsfeld has invested in the company and his links to the company.

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Originally Posted by Probono (Post 12279383)
In the past the US was a place a single blue collar worker could afford a high quality life style for his family, now it takes two earners and it's often difficult for them; it will get much worse. If China allows it's currency to float Walmart will not be a bargin anymore and you might be ssurprised how fast thet will effect inflation and consumer prices.

Interesting Britain is currently going through a lot of similar changes.

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Originally Posted by YanksAngel (Post 12279997)
You know what I am saying is true. Our nation was powerful in the past because we lived in a time where honor was everything to a man. To be without honor in the society would mean he was not worth anything at all. Today we have liars and cheaters and thieves and gangs all doing things to hurt others right in front of our very eyes and what do we do? We look the other way. We are in a bad way because of who we are inside and what we do or don't even know we believe in.

God help us to remember to stand up for what is right and wrong and give us the courage to shout it from our own very rooftops... Before it is too late to save us. It all starts with you.... each of you. I know this sounds so simplified and like nothing to do with all of this but IMO it is the core of this . It is how we got here and why we are not able to snap out of it.

Two more things to point out briefly... We have a President that can't keep his dick in his pants long enough to protect the reputation of a nation during his term and then bold faced lies about it and we do nothing. What did that teach our youth about right and wrong? It taught them that they can get away with anything as long as you know the right people or can reason it away. Not standing up and punishing the wrong doers.

Nice post! I totally agree

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Originally Posted by campimp (Post 12279426)
america is not going anywhere anytime soon...

but i give the world about 5 years before they start to realize the american dollar isnt even worth the paper it is printed on. once the world stops demanding dollars and the dollar collapses americans are fucked, but then again maybe it will just be time to nuke a couple countries and get back on top again

Surely the dollar can only slide so far before every country in the world has to change their reserve currency to some other currency (of more value) IF that was to take place then I'd say that would be the final straw.

Michaelious 04-19-2007 01:39 PM

It will probably last another 25 years the way it is.

YanksAngel 04-20-2007 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Coatsy (Post 12281469)
I must say that I'm rather speptical about the threat of Bird Flu and the promotion of the vaccine Tamiflu once I found out about how much Donald Rumsfeld has invested in the company and his links to the company.

can you elaborate more on this topic I am very interested in hearing it. Ty

Splum 04-20-2007 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Coatsy (Post 12281469)
I must say that I'm rather speptical about the threat of Bird Flu and the promotion of the vaccine Tamiflu once I found out about how much Donald Rumsfeld has invested in the company and his links to the company.

I own stock in Gilead too, does that make me part of the NWO?
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
http://quote.morningstar.com/Quote/Q...px?ticker=GILD

Splum 04-20-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by YanksAngel (Post 12285817)
can you elaborate more on this topic I am very interested in hearing it. Ty

I find your choice of program name EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE. When are you going to open NiggaCash? Or perhaps GookCash? Fuck off you fucking anti-American fuck.

SugarTaTa 04-20-2007 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 12277564)
What I mean by that is.....

History repeats itself and "World Power" has been known to shift time and time again.

IMHO, the U.S. is being flushed straight down the shitter...Has been for a long time but especially now. I'm not sure if America will be remain "a super power" after facing another revolutionary war or if another country will dominate us but either way....We are in for some major changes.

I will honestly be surprised if the U.S. remains in tact long enough to see another President.....And I have predictions on how that could play out as well.

No matter how you look at it.....We're fucked and as much as I hate to say it.....Rightly so after the way we treat other countries.

Your thoughts?

Our country will survive. It may not be something pretty, but we will survive. There is no other real super power at this point. We've networked enough to make friends... we're still the "land of opportunity".

Paul 04-20-2007 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by YanksAngel (Post 12285817)
can you elaborate more on this topic I am very interested in hearing it.

There is a lot of information about his ties with Tamiflu, here is a good link

http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/31/news...tune_rumsfeld/

Plenty more if you do a few searches on google

Quote:

Rumsfeld served as Gilead (Research)'s chairman from 1997 until he joined the Bush administration in 2001, and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld.

The forms don't reveal the exact number of shares Rumsfeld owns, but in the past six months fears of a pandemic and the ensuing scramble for Tamiflu have sent Gilead's stock from $35 to $47. That's made the Pentagon chief, already one of the wealthiest members of the Bush cabinet, at least $1 million richer.

Rumsfeld isn't the only political heavyweight benefiting from demand for Tamiflu, which is manufactured and marketed by Swiss pharma giant Roche. (Gilead receives a royalty from Roche equaling about 10% of sales.) Former Secretary of State George Shultz, who is on Gilead's board, has sold more than $7 million worth of Gilead since the beginning of 2005.

Another board member is the wife of former California Gov. Pete Wilson.

"I don't know of any biotech company that's so politically well-connected," says analyst Andrew McDonald of Think Equity Partners in San Francisco.

What's more, the federal government is emerging as one of the world's biggest customers for Tamiflu. In July, the Pentagon ordered $58 million worth of the treatment for U.S. troops around the world, and Congress is considering a multi-billion dollar purchase. Roche expects 2005 sales for Tamiflu to be about $1 billion, compared with $258 million in 2004.

Rumsfeld recused himself from any decisions involving Gilead when he left Gilead and became Secretary of Defense in early 2001. And late last month, notes a senior Pentagon official, Rumsfeld went even further and had the Pentagon's general counsel issue additional instructions outlining what he could and could not be involved in if there were an avian flu pandemic and the Pentagon had to respond.

As the flu issue heated up early this year, according to the Pentagon official, Rumsfeld considered unloading his entire Gilead stake and sought the advice of the Department of Justice, the SEC and the federal Office of Government Ethics.

Those agencies didn't offer an opinion so Rumsfeld consulted a private securities lawyer, who advised him that it was safer to hold on to the stock and be quite public about his recusal rather than sell and run the risk of being accused of trading on insider information, something Rumsfeld doesn't believe he possesses. So he's keeping his shares for the time being.
Obviously this doesn't prove anything but imo it's one of those things that makes ya go, hmmmmmm.

Bryan G 04-20-2007 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by YanksAngel
can you elaborate more on this topic I am very interested in hearing it. Ty


Quote:

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12285885)
I find your choice of program name EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE. When are you going to open NiggaCash? Or perhaps GookCash? Fuck off you fucking anti-American fuck.


Another fantastic post by splum :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

profiteer 04-20-2007 12:07 PM

historically all other top civilizations have fallen, so it's just a matter of time!

RyuLion 04-20-2007 12:10 PM

Anyone wanna come to Mexico City? Let me know..
The largest and richest City South of the Border..

_Richard_ 04-20-2007 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM (Post 12277605)
Canada isn't a real country in the first place.

Phoenix
Location: Toronto

considering the topic of the thread, i think your post is rather funny :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ADL Colin 04-20-2007 01:17 PM

As far as the Roman Empire, the eastern half of the empire lasted until about the 15th century as the Byzantine Empire. Rome had been a Republic for 450 years or so before becoming an empire. This is a total span of almost 2000 years. So I don't think the observation that "all empires eventually come to an end" is very enlightening other than to point out just that. This is without even getting into the debate as to what an empire is and whether the US is one.

Here's my stab at it:
50-100 more years as #1 world power.
300 more years as a Republic

seeric 04-20-2007 01:33 PM

China http://www.siemens-maintenance.co.uk...n%20button.JPG

North Korea http://www.siemens-maintenance.co.uk...n%20button.JPG

Russia http://www.siemens-maintenance.co.uk...n%20button.JPG

Iran http://www.siemens-maintenance.co.uk...n%20button.JPG

USA http://www.siemens-maintenance.co.uk...n%20button.JPG

many others http://www.siemens-maintenance.co.uk...n%20button.JPG

:(


action 1 will cause equal and opposite chain reaction. :( bye bye cruel world.

headless ghost 04-20-2007 01:42 PM

all the way to the end
I am positive

just like when an engine quits in a plane
so how long will this one lone engine last
all the way to the seen of the crash

he-fox 04-20-2007 01:46 PM

US will last until they will merge with EU and form some kind of North Atlantic Union. Give it 50-100 years.

edit: in fact it will last after that, too, as values and people. Just in a superior governmental form.

Danny_C 04-20-2007 01:51 PM

The sole world power will soon be the WTO.

Morgan Sommer 04-20-2007 02:03 PM

Collapse of Empire
 
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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 12277676)
That's a pretty apt analogy, actually. The Roman Empire collapsed on it's self from internal problems and plunged the World in to the Dark Ages. Many even blame the introduction of Christianity for the decline of the Empire.

Many economies are either indirectly or directly linked to the US economy. A complete failure of the US would have devestating affects World wide.

Aside from debt, military disorganization, and chronic civil war the roman empire could have lasted another several hundred years. The thing that knocked it on its ass and allowed the neighboring cultures (barbarians) to take of was massive depopulation due to the first major outbreak of bubonic plague in europe, asia minor, and north africa. In some roman provinces 1/3 to 1/2 of the population died. The emperor of the eastern empire almost died.

so that being said, yeah we have lots of screwy economic and political issues to deal with, and packs of angry humans nipping at our heels, but I think the institutions here are strong enough to withstand almost anything except a series of severe natural disasters or a new pandemic.

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Morgan Sommer 04-20-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 12287015)
As far as the Roman Empire, the eastern half of the empire lasted until about the 15th century as the Byzantine Empire. Rome had been a Republic for 450 years or so before becoming an empire. This is a total span of almost 2000 years. So I don't think the observation that "all empires eventually come to an end" is very enlightening other than to point out just that. This is without even getting into the debate as to what an empire is and whether the US is one.

Here's my stab at it:
50-100 more years as #1 world power.
300 more years as a Republic

Soo right. The Byzantine emperor Justinian who built Haiga Sophia is the one who almost died of plague. But the greatest architectural achievement of his age was built while the western empire was falling apart and for another 1200 years the empire flourished. But the old britain to arabia empire was gone. So what that means is a culture can survive a very long time regardless of borders shifting and the locus of power.


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