AaronM

What I mean by that is.....

History repeats itself and "World Power" has been known to shift time and time again.

IMHO, the U.S. is being flushed straight down the shitter...Has been for a long time but especially now. I'm not sure if America will be remain "a super power" after facing another revolutionary war or if another country will dominate us but either way....We are in for some major changes.

I will honestly be surprised if the U.S. remains in tact long enough to see another President.....And I have predictions on how that could play out as well.

No matter how you look at it.....We're fucked and as much as I hate to say it.....Rightly so after the way we treat other countries.

Your thoughts?

pornguy

I am seeing the start of another civil war in the US. Only during that time do I not see the US being a super power. after the dust settles, I think things will work our again, and the US will rise stronger than before.

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aico

20 years tops IMO. Other countries are getting seriously sick of our shit.

Scootermuze

I don't know that it will be as soon as that, but I have to agree.. We've been noticably losing steady ground for the last few years with no turn-around in site..

Too many have lived their lives in this cushy country; taking it all for granted, so they think it could never happen.. Hope it won't, but the direction we're headed isn't lookin' good..

Phoenix

come on guys..long live usa...lets invade iran and syria...take their oil and shit...its all good man.
then we can invade canada and take their water and electric plants

those canadians are lucky to be next to us anyway

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Porn Farmer

Splum will be in here in a moment to call you a liberal, America hating socialist scumbag!

aico

I honestly don't think it's the fact that we invade people that is the problem.

The downfall of this country will be the economy, our laziness & arrogance, and the stupidity that our education system has recently been creating.

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AaronM

Canada isn't a real country in the first place.

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Splum

There will be a civil war before another country even dares to invade us.

AaronM

I think it will be a combination of all of that. The economy is certainly a strong contributor though. This country is in debt up to it's eyebrows. How much money do we currently owe China? Yet they continue to loan us money on a regular basis. Even if they never collected on what we owe them, all they have to do is stop the loans and we are fucked.

The school system in America is a fucking joke.

yota71

The US will not get invaded.
A large scale terror attack would cause Us to implode upon itself. Use the boards as an example just imagine if we where put in a situation where we had to struggle to survive and depend on eachother.

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pocketkangaroo

If they stop the loans, they go under as well as the rest of the world. Inflation in the US effects other countries just as much as it effects us.

AaronM

Perhaps.

Here's a theory......

Let's say for a moment that we do see another President....

WHAT IF:

What if Hillary and Obama decided to run together and they were successfully elected into office? Or even another rigged election because we've seen that happen......

If Hillary goes in a Pres., she will be assassinated by a black. That person will become a hero of sorts because by killing Hillary, the U.S. gains it's first black President.

If Obama goes in as Pres....either by election, rigged election, or default after Hillary is gone, he will most likely be assassinated by a white supremest. That assassination will cause riots like we've never seen in this country and i will turn the U.S. upside down. = Civil War

AaronM

And if we one country launches a nuke, another country will do the same. Yet, eventually it will happen.

AaronM

I wonder how many world leaders thought about their countries that over the last few thousand years?

Whatever happened to the Roman Empire?

Porn Farmer

You are dreaming.

You will never get most Americans off their fat asses and motivated enough to wage a civil war. They are slaves to consumerism like most other inhabitants of the western world.

pocketkangaroo

You can't compare our economy to any other era or any other time in history. It is unprecedented to have this amount of foreign money coming in to the country. No economist has any clue what will happen because this has never happened in history before.

pocketkangaroo

It's amazing how most medical, technological, and educational breakthroughs are in the US. I mean we are all fat asses who aren't motivated to do anything other than order McDonalds, right?

AaronM

We use borrowed money to import the right people who in turn are paid to do that work so we can remain fat and lazy.

The Truth Hurts

We will.
And it will be another white male Republican, running with a white male Republican VP.

WarChild

That's a pretty apt analogy, actually. The Roman Empire collapsed on it's self from internal problems and plunged the World in to the Dark Ages. Many even blame the introduction of Christianity for the decline of the Empire.

Many economies are either indirectly or directly linked to the US economy. A complete failure of the US would have devestating affects World wide.

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I said most, and also stated that most people in other western nations are similarly enslaved by apathy and consumerism.

My point went flying right over your head and you went straight into defensive, "He's hating on America" mode.

yota71

This is exactly why this is more unlikely to happen

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ
We will bounce back we always do. This is a game we play.. dollar tanks, war, oil prices are high, people scream the sky is falling, and all outside come running for the feeding frenzy. Same shit happend in the 60's and we bounced back stronger. We are American and think up new shit all the time and the world follows.

In short, America is just a big Casino and outsiders think they can beat the house..

In the past we new who are enemies where.
We where also not as distracted by materialistic needs and where able to support each other.

This one is going to be very very bloody

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Webby

Suspect the economy will be a very major factor aico and, not sure yet, but smell some initial effects are already showing. As it is, (tho that can change, but would take years to "kick in"), it's unsustainable.

Forgetting "war costs", get a feeling imports need to be head on the head with a hammer - the "real cost" to the country from importing is enormous and the flip side, exporting product/services is... well.. embarrassing, and appears to rely totally on arms and wheat (the only two items which run an actual trade surplus).

I remember looking thru the govt's actual balance sheet about eight months ago and this was presented in a format which was... not a pretty picture, but not a disaster. But... when you actually worked thru all the sub notes of items excluded from the main presentation - it was a goddamned horror story - think (roughly) an overall deficit of around $580 trillion. This includes omitted items such as govt liability to retirees (pensions due) and a wide range of other items, some fairly major.

Currently there are still borrowings from a number of nations - mainly Central Bank of China (with a borrowing level of $2 - $4 billion/day). This supposed to represent 25-33% of the total daily borrowings from other countries - so not a good thing!!! :-)

US badly needs a spectrum of good core industry and manufacturing ability - and less dependence on foreign imports.

Education? :-) Well.. only me, but education is the future of every nation.

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the likes of china, india etc are set to take over ecomonically, which will inturn make these nations more powerful than the US within 20 years. so you wont be number 1 for long. your governments seen this and has already started getting in with china and her allies.

another country wont invade you's while your as powerful as you are now, but wait about 40 years when your countries slipping out of the top 5 and i'm sure we'll see a few nations having a go at conquering america, or atleast testing your nerve. falklands ring a bell to anyone? but i'm sure it will be alot worse for the US after the forgien policy, trading policy, and basically the entire US policy that your countries took recently. a few countries i'm sure will want a bit of revenge when the time comes... luckily we'll be a fully funtioning EU by that time and we wont have a moron like tony blair force us into a war to protect the US.

pocketkangaroo

I didn't go into "hating America" mode. You stated that American's were lazy. I just stated that they sure accomplish a lot for being so lazy.

aico

wow, no fights yet, this thread may actually be a winner.

edit: spoke too soon.

AllStar

The way america is set up it has some of the most brilliant minds. If they are born here or move here. The business climate in the US is supreme and no other in the world can compete.
What actually leads to a fall of an empire?
Excess and corruption.

It has been the trigger of any empire from the roman, ottoman to the british empire.
Remember less then a century ago the British ruled the world.

The next Empire will be the Asian empire.

They will have the brute force(economic) to build an empire.

The need to have housing, cars and materials will drive them to get what ever they need to have what they want, even if they have to take it.

That is what drove the US Empire, out of a depression where people had nothing they fought tooth and nail to get whatever they wanted and they did.

Now that the US has everything whats next? If the US doesn't figure that out then the fall will be quicker.

People don't like Bush and I am a liberal but hey if you want to have a SUV big house, and cheap goods then Bush is the kinda guy you want.

But beware they don't call China the sleepingGiant for nothing!

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What this world needs to keep from imploding, is an outside threat. And notice that I said WORLD.

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Sheesh... what were you saying about education?

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pornguy

So you guys are telling me, that you, ( If you are american ) are going to sit on your ass, and let some other country tell you how to live? Can you imagine being under the rule of China?


I think that most people underestimate what americans will do to keep thier way of life.

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Porn Farmer

I said 'most' and I stand by that. And its not unique to America.

And its more than lazy, it's apathy.

Lev

One word, "China"

AaronM

Let us not forget our love for guns.

Gregory Black

Bush can stay in office if his hanlders want him to. As I understand, term limits don't matter if the country is under marshal law.

aico

I am already expecting this to happen.

Webby

You sure? :-) The US sure did have a good biz environment, but that is no longer. It's stagnant and deep in debt. It's not that US folks don't work hard enough - they work longer hours than most western nations. But.. what for? All they are getting is a fairly poor education system, ripoff health system, getting deeper in debt from war shit and a load of credit cards maxed to the hilt (matching the govt's own debt).

Someone mentioned "lazy" - sure, there is a degree of that, but more on the "complacent" side. What has been happening is letting the machine roll on, but with no product coming out the end of the conveyor belt. USA Inc is a business the same as any corp - unless the books are managed the lot goes down the drain.

BTW.. The "supreme" biz/industrial environment for earning is China - they produce and export more product worldwide than the US.

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yota71

I second that...

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AaronM

Exactly.

All it takes to envoke Martial Law is a pandemic of some sort and the Bush administration has been preping us for such a thing. First Sars, then Bird Flu.......

Vendzilla

we need a revolution, maybe take over some small country during that time, maybe france?

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think about that

viva celebs

i've noticed something about you yanks, arrogance is one of you're biggest strengths, but at the same time one of you're biggest weaknesses. while the rest of the world will evolve with the world around them, take in new ideas, interact and change their way of life to be able to co-exist. america will grow nothing but stale and hatred, protecting their way of life.

Webby

Na... waste of time Vendzilla

All that would happen is be loaded further with France's debt (tho they control that) and forget to manage the books again and borrow more money to sustain that country

The problem lies within....

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AllStar

Let me know what they are willing to do?

Nobody said under the rule of China. Just there will be little or no economic power from the US. Between India and China there is no need to supply goods to 300 million people who are heavily in debt and have no leverage.

Thats the problem. Corruption is the problem, big business will fuck there mother if there is a dollar in it. Look at Halliburton they are off to the middle east. HA HA HA they made billions from the US government and the minute it looks like their might be Democrats in the white house they are out of here.

The problem is this. Slowly the US dollar will erode. WHich is happening but if it continues over the next 10 years there is gonna be big problems. What the fuck are you gonna buy? When China finally decides to unleash there dollar shit will hit the fan big time here.

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aico

I think some of our states need to succeed from the US and start exporting their shit again, and run themselves as their own country.

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at least 50 days

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Wow... that is retarded...

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Webby

Seriously aico... there is something in that.

It's the same principle a number of major corps use - each "division" stands on it's own two feet and manages it's "micro biz" where the management have total daily hands-on control and are responsible for their own "destiny". (Virgin is a typical example - Branson may be the "chief", but the diversity of Virgin is extensive and no individual or small team could control that effectively - hence, it's split up into "units" specializing in their own markets)

Flip side is when something gets too big - it falters. It's just unmanageable and often becomes stagnant... then downhill. On a vaguely political angle (trying to avoid this cos it appears too divisive in the US ) - let's be honest, - these folks cannot manage a country. Most of them have no practical experience over years (tho a good few have!) - but they are elected based on how much media/funding they arouse, and not on any real practical experience. Just seems to me they may be well-intended - but extremely unproductive and costly - and taxpayers are bearing the brunt of this baggage.

Probably one of the differences with the US system is little qualification is needed to play a role. This is the reverse in many other countries (tho they still have the stupid mob as well) - where there is at least a successful track record and often accompanied by extensive experience.

Central/Federal govts are fine for specific functions, but they do tend to end up bogged down in crap and cost volumes of money - and forget the word "serve"

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I thought the sleeping giant was the Mexican population in the US or at least that's what I've heard it called

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