we need a revolution, maybe take over some small country during that time, maybe france?

i've noticed something about you yanks, arrogance is one of you're biggest strengths, but at the same time one of you're biggest weaknesses. while the rest of the world will evolve with the world around them, take in new ideas, interact and change their way of life to be able to co-exist. america will grow nothing but stale and hatred, protecting their way of life.

Na... waste of time Vendzilla :winkwink:

All that would happen is be loaded further with France's debt (tho they control that) and forget to manage the books again and borrow more money to sustain that country :pimp

The problem lies within....

Let me know what they are willing to do?

Nobody said under the rule of China. Just there will be little or no economic power from the US. Between India and China there is no need to supply goods to 300 million people who are heavily in debt and have no leverage.

Thats the problem. Corruption is the problem, big business will fuck there mother if there is a dollar in it. Look at Halliburton they are off to the middle east. HA HA HA they made billions from the US government and the minute it looks like their might be Democrats in the white house they are out of here.

The problem is this. Slowly the US dollar will erode. WHich is happening but if it continues over the next 10 years there is gonna be big problems. What the fuck are you gonna buy? When China finally decides to unleash there dollar shit will hit the fan big time here.

I think some of our states need to succeed from the US and start exporting their shit again, and run themselves as their own country.

at least 50 days :2 cents:

Wow... that is retarded... :Oh crap

Seriously aico... there is something in that.

It's the same principle a number of major corps use - each "division" stands on it's own two feet and manages it's "micro biz" where the management have total daily hands-on control and are responsible for their own "destiny". (Virgin is a typical example - Branson may be the "chief", but the diversity of Virgin is extensive and no individual or small team could control that effectively - hence, it's split up into "units" specializing in their own markets)

Flip side is when something gets too big - it falters. It's just unmanageable and often becomes stagnant... then downhill. On a vaguely political angle (trying to avoid this cos it appears too divisive in the US :winkwink: ) - let's be honest, - these folks cannot manage a country. Most of them have no practical experience over years (tho a good few have!) - but they are elected based on how much media/funding they arouse, and not on any real practical experience. Just seems to me they may be well-intended - but extremely unproductive and costly - and taxpayers are bearing the brunt of this baggage.

Probably one of the differences with the US system is little qualification is needed to play a role. This is the reverse in many other countries (tho they still have the stupid mob as well) - where there is at least a successful track record and often accompanied by extensive experience.

Central/Federal govts are fine for specific functions, but they do tend to end up bogged down in crap and cost volumes of money - and forget the word "serve" :winkwink:

I thought the sleeping giant was the Mexican population in the US or at least that's what I've heard it called :thumbsup

Used to have a good business environment? The US has one of the easiest barriers of entry for starting your own business. You hardly pay any business taxes, you have little fees involved, and receiving investment can be fairly easy as well. There are little regulations on businesses as well. A couple kids can create a video site and sell it to Google for billions of dollars in a couple years. That stuff is unheard of in other countries that have high barriers of entry and strict government regulations.

What countries have better business environments than the US?

Poor education system - You mean the education system that has more international people coming to this country to learn than any other country in the world. The one that has the top professors, top students, and top minds in the world? While this country has problems with parts of its educational system, it still produces great results.

Ripoff Health System - Yes the health system has a lot of problems. But we also have the best doctors in the world. When world leaders get sick, they fly to the US for treatment. More medical breakthroughs happen in the US than any other country in the world.

What is your solution to the health care system that would allow us to maintain our growth in the field?


You can't be serious? If your idea of "supreme" environment is employees working for 20 cents a day. Having your business abide by strict laws and regulations. Heck, you'd be thrown in jail for your business over there.

i can't believe no one has said "too long" yet.

When China decides to unleash their dollar, China will implode. Inflation in the US is one of the worst possible things that could happen to China.

1 million years

So are you a black or a woman?

Listen if the dollar keeps on falling then our dollar is worthless. Goods become cheaper all over the world. with 3 billion people in China and India you have no clue what kind of buying power those people will have.

They are starting to build their infrastructure now.

Now what I mean by leverage is this. Right now money has been cheap so there is plenty of it. So we have been buying everything under the sun. But creating debt. So when China does unleash their dollar the average american will be in debt and have no buying power and paying the debt they owe. 300 million people is great, but 3 billion people buying goods is a lot better. Then remember this the Chinese dollar will make it cheap to buy American raw materials.

Or a nappy headed hoe?

They aren't going to do this in the next year or so. Wait 5 to 10 years...

Go suck on a chicken leg at one of thouse 5,000 KFCs located all around London. :321GFY

See thats what I don't understand AronM, This thread was going so well.

Yep and a high percentage of our goods come from china but i doubt its the same the other way around

You apparently don't understand who China sells all their shit to. If the American economy goes to shit, so will the rest of the world. See: Great Depression.

Better buy some gold before even 5% of the cattle (oops I mean poplulation) wake up and bid the prices through the roof.

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Whatever's coming, civil war, invasion, WW III, whatever... it's probably a good time to own a gun if you live in the US.


:D

You apparently think only a day or two ahead. Do you realize what 3 billion who have nothing can do or buy?

They call Asia the Sleeping Giant. Think about what that means. Do you know how many people live in europe?

Have you travelled outside the US or checked a map? Do you realize there are over a hundred other countries?

China sells their shit to whoever will buy it. Wait till they need the materials to make the stuff they need to keep their own economy going?

They will fuckin sink the US in one fell swoop.

One man in India crushed the English Empire. In this world anything is possible.

OK... Will try and condense and get to the point :-)

All over the western world and a good portion of other countries - there is no problem with "barriers". You can form a corp one day and be trading the next. Some countries even offer funding and all types of "help" is available for new corps. Can't actually see where the US is any different from this.

OK.. On better biz environment.. (and this is only one, but based on personal experience) - Where I am now is an excellent biz environment and vastly superior to the US. From here I can choose any other country/continent to operate within. That can be some island in the Caribbean, in the heart of the EU or another Latin American country - all have varying aspects which are beneficial for whatever reason. Each also has their own laws, but not one of these laws are an obstacle course or an inhibitor to doing business - they have their own "porn laws", but these are more common sense and no "record keeping" is involved. Ultimately, all funds generated will end up within a corp where no taxation is payable.


I thinks you are trying to defend pocketkangaroo :winkwink: It ain't about "defending".

OK.. Nobody said there are not some excellent tutors - there are. Tho that can be said of any western country - and a few more. I think you may be surprised how many foreign students enter other western countries. At the moment as far higher education is concerned - some of the leading institutions in the world are in France and Spain (the top two or three were at last check).

For the cost of education within the US - the "value for money" element does not come up to par. It is overpriced and leaves a grad with loans for having this "privilege". That said, higher education in other western countries does cost money, - but not at that level.

The health system has excellent people - that is not the issue, but the "system" is the problem. It's top heavy, overpriced, linked with insurance companies and ya might as well book a cheaper suite at the Hilton.

When it comes to "value for money" - it's a total joke and recognized as such. That results in items like..... I can get an air ambulance insurance policy to fly me direct to Canada or the EU for... can't remember... but around $900. BUT... the moment there is a wish to fly to eg Florida, that insurance policy is.. almost $3000.

Another example... Where I am now there are US medical clinics - basically hotel suites. They provide a service which is around 25% of the cost of the same service in the US. It is the same hospital groups, the same medicine, the same level of medical staffing. Why? Because the US public are being ripped on a very substantial scale.

This then results in US folks flying here for operations.

The issue is not about cheap labor (tho kinda agree) - Whatever a country needs to do to improve it's standard of living - it will do. China produces more product than any country on the planet. It also consumes a high amount of that products internally - while exporting the rest. This in turn, raises the standard of living for folks in China. You may be surprised, but China does not necessarily live on .20 cents/day. There are more cellphones in China than anywhere else - and these are more sophisticated than what we normally know of.

China has an economy which is growing far faster than any western country - that surpasses both the US and EU together.

The Chinese govt is sitting on many billions of US currency and various volumes of currency from other nations. The volume of this currency allows them to issued loans to the US at a rate of around $2 - $4 billion/day. They also have extensive trading partners worldwide and actively seeking to doing more business with these partners - but also doing "cooperative deals" and, in full or in part, - funding a wide variety of construction projects from bridges to whatever.

It's probably totally out of balance to be even discussing this - the day the US govt can provide loans to China is probably the day to start :-)

OK.. Finished with this stuff :winkwink:

Bet everything on red.

According to your economic theories of "more people equals more power", Africa will be the next big player in the global economy. Heck, any day now those billions of people will start buying everything under the sun and make China all powerful and us lowly specks on the bottom of the totem pole.

You don't comprehend that the entire global economy in one way or another revolves around the US. If the US goes to shit, Europe will go to shit along with Asia. There is a reason that China keeps buying up our debt, because they have to. If our dollar goes to shit, the debt they hold is worthless.

To think that in one swoop, the US economy, as complex and diverse as it it can be crushed, shows a complete lack of any economic knowledge on your part.

Yeah but pretty soon china is going to want that money back then what happens............

You are just too dumb - go and post a "would you hit it pic" or an image of another firearm somewhere...

You think any country is going lend more than is prudent for them??? Lesson one in banking.

america is in debt now ..........

Sure is *lol*


Kinda understatement there??

Don't waste your time talking shit - go to bed idiot.

Neither. I just think that your "theory" is pretty damn far fetched. I don't see black people assassinating Hillary (not that she would win anyway) and I see even less of a change the white supremicists would be able to (let alone organiszed or smart enough) to assassinate Obama, should he be elected.

So like I said... wow, retarded. :winkwink:

Did you say something?? Tantrum?? What planet are you on?? Meds OK?

So this is the human trash that shows pics of the alleged new gun he bought?? :1orglaugh

Sheesh... this is why the US is fucked - because of useless lumps of human tissue like you :thumbsup

Enough of this thread - the level of any sense has reach under the swamp. Have a nice day - and don't shoot yourself :-)

Most welcome :-) No problem with Aaron's thread - it was almost sensible before stupid Americans entered - but can ya get teenrevenue to get their non-compliant 2257 shit sorted in their offshore hideaway? Thanks! :thumbsup

You should focus on the word "ignorant" rather than calling my postings retarded. :2 cents:

Don't get me wrong, I'd love not to have to pay tax on everything. But I also enjoy driving on roads, having public services readily available (police/fire/library/schools), and some form of protection when I put my money in the bank. I don't understand how we'd be able to maintain these things without some taxes being paid.

I've also never encountered any problems dealing with other countries. I hire programmers and designers all around the world, make transactions with ease, and have never been stymied by anything the government has done. The 2257 regulations do suck, and I feel they are overboard. I do support a form of 2257 for maintaining someone is 18 and am happy we are not like other countries where child pornography and child sex trafficking is prevelant.

Again, I'm not sure what problems you foresee in businesses in the US having. It's easy to start, taxes are low, and regulations are soft.

I know there are a lot of great schools in the world. I'm just saying that more people come to the US for education than anywhere else.

As for the value of education for money, it's hard to tell. I believe an average college grad will earn $11,000 more a year than a non-graduate. If you add up the numbers in a lifetime, it makes going to college a solid investment, especially if you study a profession that is in high demand. Despite what some GFYers will say, it is tough to find a well paying job without a college degree.

The price of college is tricky, as there is a big discrepency from public to private universities. If you go to a public state school, you really won't pay a lot at all. Most of your high priced schools are private, and they have to fund themselves and pay for their high priced professors. I don't know how you can tell Harvard that they should charge less seeing as they are privately owned and operated. Not to mention that someone receiving a degree from a high priced, well known school will most likely not have a problem getting a substantially high paid job. I'm not sure what your solution for this is?

There is no doubt that health costs are more expensive in the US. This is because of education, malpractice insurance, and doctors having the most high tech equipment in the field. Insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies have far too much power and fuck over a lot of people while the government turns a blind eye. The system needs a lot of work.

But we also have the most medically advanced technology and doctors in the world. While I'm sure people head to your country for procedures, people all across the world head to the US for advanced procedures and experimental treatments not found anywhere else. The industry is constantly advancing and if you were sick (and money wasn't a factor), I couldn't fathom you not wanting to be treated in this country. The financial factor is a problem, but it is also what drives pharmaceutical companies and doctors to become better.


I'm not sure you'd prefer the standard of living to the average Chinese person to the average American. While Americans bitch a lot about crap, they do have an extremely high standard of living. A poor kid is considered one whose parents can't buy him an iPod. The cell phone argument is fairly moot considering they have many more people than any other country, and the percent of people in China owning a cell phone is still signifigantly lower than the US and especially Europe.

While they are growing rapidly, they also rely heavily on exporting goods and thus heavily on other countries to remain strong and continue buying. I'd still prefer my US or European traffic to Chinese traffic any day of the week.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Still posting shit???
Obviously you are on drugs - go and kill someone and get removed from the gutter :thumbsup