Question About Shaving - GoFuckYourself.com

Mikeee · 08-17-2002, 10:36 AM

No, not your face. But signups. Is it possible that a sponsor could fuck with stats if its a 3rd party billing co.? Like say Globill, do they have admin functions to do that? Or do they just approve and delete accounts?

mrthumbs · 08-17-2002, 10:38 AM

Here we go again..

Gary · 08-17-2002, 10:45 AM

*sigh*

TheDoc · 08-17-2002, 10:50 AM

For the most part no.

Fletch XXX · 08-17-2002, 10:53 AM

You guys dont believe its possible?

If man can walk on the moon, shaving is possible and most likely practiced.

This is only logical.

man's greed will NEVER be passed by its technology.

nocostporn · 08-17-2002, 10:55 AM

wouldnt be put into a 3rd party biller..they have a reputation and just about everybody and their grandma can have an affiliate program using 3rd party tracking so the word would be out...
When you have your own tracking,the only people who have a chance of knowing are the people involved

in closing,NO, 3rd parties dont have and never would have that option

Backov · 08-17-2002, 11:00 AM

Let's set it straight here.

Paysites with 3rd party processing can still shave you, and very simply as well. I will not say how.

However, it would be somewhat difficult for a paysite to shave your rebills if the sale goes through, and they also have really no motivation to do so in a recurring program.

If you're getting per-sign, you can pretty much assume you are being shaved. This is basically impossible to prove though, so don't get all angry about it, just don't do it.

The moral - smart people (The ones that know to TRUST NO ONE) go recurring. ;>

Cheers,
Backov

quiet · 08-17-2002, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

in closing,NO, 3rd parties dont have and never would have that option

actually, you're wrong.

ldinternet · 08-17-2002, 11:05 AM

This thread appears so often...

Yes, it is possible for them to shave but that doesn't mean that they do it, are as likely to do it as other programs, or need to do it. Such an exploit would be using tracking software that "accidentally" loses the partner's referral ID, so that it isn't recorded in their stats when they log in at the processor.

As far as a company like Globill or iBill having an option to shave... you won't find a big "click here to shave 85%" button in the admin area. That isn't to say it can't happen. For example - it is possible to suspend the partner's account (for whatever reason through the iBill CMI for example) and un-suspend it later. I don't know whether it is still possible through iBill but I'd imagine that it is. Whether Globill has ever had that option at all, I have no idea. The suspend function isn't intended as a shaving tool just to rip honest webmasters off, of course... but if a partner's account is suspended for 1 hour of every 24 hours, assuming that their signups are roughly the same every hour of the day... it is paramount to shaving 4% of signups. Suspend for 2 hours and it takes 8%, 3 hours takes 12%, etc.

Mikeee · 08-17-2002, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by ldinternet
This thread appears so often...

Yes, it is possible for them to shave but that doesn't mean that they do it, are as likely to do it as other programs, or need to do it. Such an exploit would be using tracking software that "accidentally" loses the partner's referral ID, so that it isn't recorded in their stats when they log in at the processor.

As far as a company like Globill or iBill having an option to shave... you won't find a big "click here to shave 85%" button in the admin area. That isn't to say it can't happen. For example - it is possible to suspend the partner's account (for whatever reason through the iBill CMI for example) and un-suspend it later. I don't know whether it is still possible through iBill but I'd imagine that it is. Whether Globill has ever had that option at all, I have no idea. The suspend function isn't intended as a shaving tool just to rip honest webmasters off, of course... but if a partner's account is suspended for 1 hour of every 24 hours, assuming that their signups are roughly the same every hour of the day... it is paramount to shaving 4% of signups. Suspend for 2 hours and it takes 8%, 3 hours takes 12%, etc.

That actualy makes a lot of sense. I almost want to join Globill, just to see what the admin functions are. I'm on a 50/50 program, I'm converting really well, but if it is possible that they suspend my account 7 to 10 hours a week, then Im missing out on a lot of cash.

I know it's not fair for me to assume that a sponsor would do that, but at the same time, I'm sitting here behind my PC and I have NO CLUE whats being done with my account. I wouldnt doubt that every webmaster has been fucked, whether they know it or not, butI wanted to feel better knowing that they dont have the option.

I would think that if a Company such as Globill, is high on anti fraud, that they would focus on CC scams, and fake signups as much as they would on the webmaster running the affiliate program. I would hope so atleast.

nocostporn · 08-17-2002, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by quiet

actually, you're wrong.

ibill,ccbill and WSB don't have a button that says "set your shaving % here"... unless you know something i don't know(no jokes please)
do 3rd parties shave?wouldnt doubt it ,but they wouldnt give that option to every two-bit webmaster running a program thru them...

pinonoir · 08-17-2002, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ldinternet
This thread appears so often...

As far as a company like Globill or iBill having an option to shave... you won't find a big "click here to shave 85%" button in the admin area. That isn't to say it can't happen. For example - it is possible to suspend the partner's account (for whatever reason through the iBill CMI for example) and un-suspend it later. I don't know whether it is still possible through iBill but I'd imagine that it is. Whether Globill has ever had that option at all, I have no idea. The suspend function isn't intended as a shaving tool just to rip honest webmasters off, of course... but if a partner's account is suspended for 1 hour of every 24 hours, assuming that their signups are roughly the same every hour of the day... it is paramount to shaving 4% of signups. Suspend for 2 hours and it takes 8%, 3 hours takes 12%, etc.

If a webmaster suspends you're account, you won't be able to look at you're stats, you will have a message stating the problem! You just need to verify you're stats often & see if the webmaster suspends you're accountm. I have been in the business for three years & never add this problem with suspended accounts threw ccbill & ibill. Their might be other ways for shaving partners that I don't know about. lets just say I thrust them or otherwise I will stress myself for no reason & not getting my work done. VERIFY YOU'RE STATS OFTEN! ONCE EVERY HOUR OR SO!

quiet · 08-17-2002, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nocostporn

ibill,ccbill and WSB don't have a button that says "set your shaving % here"... unless you know something i don't know(no jokes please)
do 3rd parties shave?wouldnt doubt it ,but they wouldnt give that option to every two-bit webmaster running a program thru them...

simply read what was said above. it is common knowledge.

nocostporn · 08-17-2002, 11:34 AM

hm yeah i guess that would be effective lol, I stand corrected

hahmike · 08-17-2002, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pinonoir

If a webmaster suspends you're account, you won't be able to look at you're stats, you will have a message stating the problem! You just need to verify you're stats often & see if the webmaster suspends you're accountm. I have been in the business for three years & never add this problem with suspended accounts threw ccbill & ibill. Their might be other ways for shaving partners that I don't know about. lets just say I thrust them or otherwise I will stress myself for no reason & not getting my work done. VERIFY YOU'RE STATS OFTEN! ONCE EVERY HOUR OR SO!

nobody in their right mind makes a habbit of checking their stats every hour or more often to make sure that their account isn't suspended, son.

just because you DON'T THINK you had a problem with it or haven't seen it --------- it doesn't mean it hasn't happened or isn't happening to you!

people know how it works. they don't need elaboration.

pinonoir · 08-17-2002, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hahmike

nobody in their right mind makes a habbit of checking their stats every hour or more often to make sure that their account isn't suspended, son.

just because you DON'T THINK you had a problem with it or haven't seen it --------- it doesn't mean it hasn't happened or isn't happening to you!

people know how it works. they don't need elaboration.

People know how it works, why was this thread started after all, I guess their is some people that don't know how it works. I verify my stats very often, I work hard on creating websites & promoting them & I just want to make sure I get proper credit for my efforts schmuck, oops sorry hahmike, so now you could go

hahmike · 08-17-2002, 01:05 PM

hey piononrior, let's

together.

TheDoc · 08-17-2002, 01:11 PM

Gah... ok.

I think with I-bill if you kill an account it e-mails the webmaster. CC bill I think does the same. I'm not 100% sure on both but I do think they have this feature.

Anyway...

I like to think our money program is far from little. We used to process through I-bill and I-bill would pay the webmasters. We are larger now ofcourse but we did do an easy 100-200 signups a day back then and I-bill never asked us if we wanted a shave button.

I can't speak for the other processors as I have never used them for paying the webmasters. I can say from what I know I-bill does not have this in place.

Only real way to shave on this would be either multi processors, checks, exits and web900.

kmanrox · 08-17-2002, 01:17 PM

Mach 3 is the best... the refills are modestly priced as well

kevinl · 08-17-2002, 02:09 PM

Get a subaccount. Yo can't suspend a subaccount. But you better be sending a lot of signups because the sponsor will have o give you your own signup page so you would have your own tour, login, etc.
I have three affiliates that I do that for so i can be accused of shaving. I don't think it is possible to shave a subaccount.

Tipsy · 08-17-2002, 02:22 PM

The way you shave a sub-account or any other account has already been said. Doesn't mean they do it but it's possible and no I'm not gonna say it again because people are stupid enough to try it and think they can get away with it.
It has nothing to do with suspending an account.

As has been said though - does this mean they do shave? In most cases no. Do all sponsors that don't use 3rd party shave? No. Undoubtably some do but many are also smart enough to realise getting caught shaving - and if you have the resources you can catch them - is not worth the few extra bucks. In most cases shaving is just people bitching because they send shit traffic that wouldn't buy at a boot fair (big garage sale type affair for those funny foreign types) let alone get a CC out.

08-17-2002, 10:36 AM	#1
Mikeee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 516	Question About Shaving No, not your face. But signups. Is it possible that a sponsor could fuck with stats if its a 3rd party billing co.? Like say Globill, do they have admin functions to do that? Or do they just approve and delete accounts?

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nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	wouldnt be put into a 3rd party biller..they have a reputation and just about everybody and their grandma can have an affiliate program using 3rd party tracking so the word would be out... When you have your own tracking,the only people who have a chance of knowing are the people involved in closing,NO, 3rd parties dont have and never would have that option __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

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08-17-2002, 11:00 AM	#7
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Let's set it straight here. Paysites with 3rd party processing can still shave you, and very simply as well. I will not say how. However, it would be somewhat difficult for a paysite to shave your rebills if the sale goes through, and they also have really no motivation to do so in a recurring program. If you're getting per-sign, you can pretty much assume you are being shaved. This is basically impossible to prove though, so don't get all angry about it, just don't do it. The moral - smart people (The ones that know to TRUST NO ONE) go recurring. ;> Cheers, Backov __________________ <embed src="http://banners.spotbrokers.com/button.swf" FlashVars="clickURL=http://banners.spotbrokers.com" quality=high pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="120" height="60"></embed>

08-17-2002, 11:05 AM	#9
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	This thread appears so often... Yes, it is possible for them to shave but that doesn't mean that they do it, are as likely to do it as other programs, or need to do it. Such an exploit would be using tracking software that "accidentally" loses the partner's referral ID, so that it isn't recorded in their stats when they log in at the processor. As far as a company like Globill or iBill having an option to shave... you won't find a big "click here to shave 85%" button in the admin area. That isn't to say it can't happen. For example - it is possible to suspend the partner's account (for whatever reason through the iBill CMI for example) and un-suspend it later. I don't know whether it is still possible through iBill but I'd imagine that it is. Whether Globill has ever had that option at all, I have no idea. The suspend function isn't intended as a shaving tool just to rip honest webmasters off, of course... but if a partner's account is suspended for 1 hour of every 24 hours, assuming that their signups are roughly the same every hour of the day... it is paramount to shaving 4% of signups. Suspend for 2 hours and it takes 8%, 3 hours takes 12%, etc.

08-17-2002, 11:34 AM	#14
nocostporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,228	hm yeah i guess that would be effective lol, I stand corrected __________________ CashTheChecks.com -coming soon- "Exclusive sites for Exclusive Webmasters" ICQ-119966868,add me first don't message

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08-17-2002, 01:11 PM	#18
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Gah... ok. I think with I-bill if you kill an account it e-mails the webmaster. CC bill I think does the same. I'm not 100% sure on both but I do think they have this feature. Anyway... I like to think our money program is far from little. We used to process through I-bill and I-bill would pay the webmasters. We are larger now ofcourse but we did do an easy 100-200 signups a day back then and I-bill never asked us if we wanted a shave button. I can't speak for the other processors as I have never used them for paying the webmasters. I can say from what I know I-bill does not have this in place. Only real way to shave on this would be either multi processors, checks, exits and web900. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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kevinl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US Posts: 261	Get a subaccount. Yo can't suspend a subaccount. But you better be sending a lot of signups because the sponsor will have o give you your own signup page so you would have your own tour, login, etc. I have three affiliates that I do that for so i can be accused of shaving. I don't think it is possible to shave a subaccount. __________________ kevinl

08-17-2002, 02:22 PM	#21
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	The way you shave a sub-account or any other account has already been said. Doesn't mean they do it but it's possible and no I'm not gonna say it again because people are stupid enough to try it and think they can get away with it. It has nothing to do with suspending an account. As has been said though - does this mean they do shave? In most cases no. Do all sponsors that don't use 3rd party shave? No. Undoubtably some do but many are also smart enough to realise getting caught shaving - and if you have the resources you can catch them - is not worth the few extra bucks. In most cases shaving is just people bitching because they send shit traffic that wouldn't buy at a boot fair (big garage sale type affair for those funny foreign types) let alone get a CC out. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss. Last edited by Tipsy; 08-17-2002 at 02:26 PM..