So Irish Pimp worked for both?

Tell ya what... you take over the multi-million dollar suits against two companies with 100's of millions in resources that I am already fighting and I will be happy to do that. Until that happens you are going to have to be happy with the public record in each of the cases.

Hero of the dead beats!:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

funny - people goto gfy before going to aff. any affilate program could have been put in that situation. step one - contact program, not goto gfy and blaim.


all this does is prove stupidity :2 cents:

you left off step 2: enjoy increased revenues across the board as your illegal competition is eradicated.

Well shiver me timbers...

you got me there... I guess I should say that we might always find that in fact AFF is a contributory infringer but I am not accusing anybody of anything until all the facts are out.

If it were an isolated incident, or at least a rare incident I would have no problem keeping it out of the public eye, but when you go to pretty much any torrent site out there and see AFF.. Come on, it has to be brought to the public eye. We can't keep turning a blind eye to the dark parts of the industry in hopes it'll just go away.

Heh, I think the fact that you find them on any torrent site has already brought it to the public eye.

i know you have great legal but if you want Paul to handle all of your pirates, http://Berra.org ......

The webmaster public, not everyone in the industry even knows what BitTorrent is. Or what a problem it poses to anyone who owns copyrights.

tell ya what..... I wouldn't have asked if you wouldn't have been playing the guessing game. :2 cents:

Thats hot?.. :upsidedow

WTF ? You said
You guys must be high or something, im out of here.

Clicking the AFF links now on BTMon show:

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No, the problem is with you taking everything too literally and seriously... this is gfy forpetessakes...

(actually, i am not kidding about the part where we will be taking action on this)

I agree with Evan on this - shut down the pirates and profits will go up.

Hey do you have ICQ? wanted to ask you about a site.

AFF doesnt listen to anything

plenty of sites are doing this

shooshtime.com
piratebay.org
torrentspy
btmon

and the list goes on.

i doubt lars will even kill any of these accounts cause of the traffic they have, even if they using content without even promoting the programs.

The problem is a many headed hydra... but chopping off the heads of it only allows another to grow back; if one got aff to stop then another would surely take their place... so the effort must be to go after the heart.

a lot of the sites will remove the content upon request, but then a week later the content is back, different content, but still.

Our biggest issue is with the people taking the copyright notices off our videos... that is just pure evil... which I promise we will smite down with great and furious vengeance.

Pleased to say that AFF dealt with the affillite's account in a very timely manner. Thanks very much to them for their help.

Must of been a non profitable account :winkwink:

Sound like in the end, Lars is doing the right thing!!

Did you see the click through message? Really!

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jesus christ guys, stop saying "Lars" every time it is about AFF...Lars WORKS for them and has a 10% share of the company, just cause he is the spokes person on gfy about it all, doesn't mean he has any say whatsoever in what happens in the day to day operations of the company...in fact, I would venture to guess he doesn't have much say at all with only 10% ownership

yes, 10% of that company is a lot of money, but very little authority

considering it was posted above you right in this thread, yeah

Don't try to speak sense to some of these people Jace, might as well hit yourself on the head with a hammer for all the good it will do. :) That's pretty much what I tried to say before lol.

You are alll broke ass affiliates and fucking employees.

No one cares what you think, your out of your paygrade on this matter.

go make some fucking galleries or whatever it is that you do to scratch together rent money

Yep - I have zero problem with Lars personally. Business is business. Ethics are ethics and and the only similarity really is that both are immutable and how one conducts themselves to either is a matter of choice. I do not have a clue about what choices Lars has made and I am not going to criticize him for something I really know nothing about.

We will see what the FTC does about stuff like zango and Bit Torrent but in the mean time even if I have an ethical issue with software from companies like 180 solutions and stealing with peer to peer I cannot say that anyone else should define their judgement by the same terms until a legal precedent is set and we can all clearly see this is or is not against the law.

I think will76 has made it a crusade against Lars which has only hurt his efforts to draw attention to the very real problem of traffic hijacking and content theives using Bit Torrent.

As I said before, we asked AFF to deal with the problem affiliate and they did so very promptly. I am sure if anyone else here asked the same of them then I assume they would be treated equally.

one fiddy

this is what everyone should focus on, it is only going to get worse, and as it gets worse everyones incomes will go down...there is not one thing anyone can say to dispute that

the issue I have is, what do we do for the long term instead of the short term?

The only thing you are right about is that how one conducts oneself - and business is just as much a reflection of someone as any other activity - is a matter of choice.

There is a long list of reasons why bad ethics are bad business, but they are irrelevant: that choice thing again. However, there remains the practical impact those choices have on the business of others and therefore the reality that it is impossible to contemplate acting in an unethical and/or unprofessional manner, without being contemptuous - consciously or not really makes no difference - of others.

I don't care whether someone hijacks my traffic or regularly turns up late for appointments. Either way he is declaring that I am someone who is not worth treating with basic courtesy and honesty. Do I put my self-respect in the toilet and accept that? That again is a matter of choice isn't it?

probably have to organize a defense group and get a sufficient legal fund together... and then try to get help from peers in the industry that never comes... then fight a long expensive battle and... hey wait... this is starting to sound like acacia... :helpme

The software people did that and I dont think it would be a long battle like acacia.On no level are they in the right. Also if we went after these things as a group , we are also protecting kids from porn because this is where most of them get it from, not pay sites. its a good pr thing

I am neither right or wrong about anything in that post - it is simply my opinion (which was essentially "no comment" until the facts are in").

I think bad ethics are bad business... but I can't tell that to anyone who made millions on something that is clearly unethical. All I have to prove the point though is that in my experience all the businesses in our industry making poor ethical choices seem to face growing problems that sooner or later consume them as fast as the Enron indictments were served.

My experience is that any legal battle is bound to be long and costly no matter how right you are and how sure you are of prevailing.

I can see that but doesnt it matter also if the other side has treasure chest to go around and around in court. I doubt every BT site has a huge war chest.

You people see what you want to see. You must have missed the SEVERAL threads Lars started about me during the same time. He threw a lot at me as well. Not just him, there was at least 4 or 5 threads where his entire staff was attacking me. Problem was he had to make up shit about me, I was just replying to his nonsense.

I replied to his bullshit. period. If he posted a lot of bullshit I made a lot of replies. As simple as that. If he would have never posted I might have made a couple posts about him at most and left it at that. If you think I am lieing look at how many posts I made about the other people using zango, none of them wished to engage me, provoke me, lie to me, insult me, or attack me, so that was left at that. But it is all a big crusade, blah blah, i woke up one morning said, what do i want to do with my life, ah thats it, pick an innocent Lars and go on a crusade against him. I swear I think my carpet has more intelligence than some of you people.



You say " well... i don' know what decissions Lars has made, he might have had nothing to do with AFF using zango or bit torrents etc..". True we don't know if he was the one that made the decission to use zango, but he certaintly supported it. He supported it vigerously. To me when you support something to that extent and you are a owner of the company (who profits off of those actions) you are just as guilty as the person whos idea it was to do it in the first place. Lets see, you support it, profit from it, defend it.......but you weren't the one orginally to decide to do it.... you still an " good guy" then... :upsidedow

I doubt any of them, except for the real big ones like piratebay would even respond to a lawsuit. Can't you win a decission, likely unopposed, and get their hosting killed ? It's a question. I am not familar that much with this part of the law.

Not denying that at all but I really only spent a small amount of time studying the situation at the beginning and I don't have any idea what went back and forth between you and lars so i can't offer an opinion there.