Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 12256786)

This is going to leave me on the unemployment line? Give me a break Will. This crap is just that, crap, it hurts everyone's bottom lines, but I'm hardly going to run out and file for EI over it. I'm pretty confident things will get dealt with in a businesslike manner, and if they aren't, things are dealt with on another level (Homegrown is more than capable of defending it's legal interests thanks but your concern is touching). You guys are assuming a lot without knowing all the details.. you assume that the fact I don't try to lynch Lars in person every time I see him consummates to me being public enemy #1, but get real. There's always more to the picture than what you see or assume, and I have told people over there exactly how I feel about Zango. I also know, however, that not everyone is going to change their business because I don't agree with how they go about things. People have to make decisions based on what they feel is best... and Lars may be a public figure for AFF, but it doesn't mean he's the ONLY guy making decisions or making things happen, he's not a solo act you know. Business has a way of balancing itself out and we've already seen AFF drop the Zango model, and who knows what the next step in the progression is, maybe they will find a way to do one better and combat the problem?

Most companies make bad decisions at one point or another in their history, and believe me the companies you rep are no sterling examples of perfection. They along with many other older companies have made their blunders and paid for their mistakes as they go along their way. I choose to believe that given time people/companies/business use their mistakes to improve themselves, and if they don't they always end up getting what they deserve in the end. The book on the industry is still being written and each major issue that comes along is a catalyst for change. Do you think anyone would have even realized the depth of the problem if AFF hadn't been the harbringer of the situation? Out of all bad there can be good as long as you are willing to find it. I'm not running out to promote AFF RIGHT NOW, but I'm not going to take a hit man with me to shows in case I see Lars or Irish Pimp, either. :P There's a happy medium in there that's called REALITY, although you haven't been there for a long time. Check your mail, there's a postcard, reality misses you and it wants you to come visit again sometime soon.

Originally Posted by jayeff (Post 12257861)

I don't get the constant references to "business" from you and others with similar views. Traffic hijacking has nothing to do with legitimate competition and it is obtuse to imply otherwise, simply because the law always takes a while to catch up with technology and hasn't done so yet in this case.

Or is that someone who writes out a check to Zango (or to an affiliate who pays Zango) is somehow not stealing traffic as surely as if he wrote the code himself and planted it directly onto your server?

By extension I don't get the talk about friendship, liking etc either. Unless you are kidding yourself that traffic hijacking isn't really theft, how naive (at best) do you have to be to rationalize theft away according to the way it is done and the amount involved? Simple question: what kind of "friend" would steal from you?

I can respect the heck out of someone who beats me fair and square. And if I respect someone, there is a pretty good chance I might like him/her too. But respect or like someone who clearly thinks I'm just another mug to be suckered? What kind of of fool would that make me?

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12257912)

Definitely not the results I had expected, to be sure.

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12257989)

I agree with LadyMischief. Being a bro and getting free Miller Lites is way more important than having my websites whored out for free to anyone with an internet connection.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12258007)

I prefer Bud Light. Therefore I disagree. Though if somebody starts buying me the Bud... hellz ya nugga!

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12258003)

since you were expecting results, I am curious what were you expecting this thread to accomplish.

Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 12257904)

Lars hasn't treated me anything other than respectfully in person, he's actually helped me a few times personally, I like him a lot. Does that mean that I think his company did the right thing? HELL NO.

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258034)

I'm not getting involved in your agenda driven propaganda. Apply your spin to someone else.

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12254271)

AFF profiting off of Homegrown video stolen content

http://www.btmon.com/torrent/homegrown

Very uncool.

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12257912)

Definitely not the results I had expected, to be sure.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12258007)

I prefer Bud Light. Therefore I disagree. Though if somebody starts buying me the Bud... hellz ya nugga!

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12258142)

:1orglaugh My agenda driven propaganda. Please explain what my agenda is? I can't wait to hear what my agenda is.

hey asshole, you started the thread.







You started this thread. You said the thread hadn't produced the results you expected.

I asked you what results you were looking for. A honest fucking question and you going to through it back on me, and then say I am trying spin something.

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258154)

Your agenda seems to be to dredge up the Zango business at any chance you get. I kindly ask you not to call me an asshole, I've done nothing to warrant such name calling, I've supported you when the world thought you were a raving lunatic.

Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 12257904)

Lars hasn't treated me anything other than respectfully in person, he's actually helped me a few times personally, I like him a lot. Does that mean that I think his company did the right thing? HELL NO. Please, get your stories straight in your effort to be right. I AGREE WITH YOU PEOPLE ALREADY, being wrong doesn't make Lars a bad person though.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12258161)

so i ask you again, and again. You started this thread, you said it had not have the results you expected.

What did you expect ?

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258154)

Your agenda seems to be to dredge up the Zango business at any chance you get.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12258216)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

he is an owner of the company, so don't blame the company, blame the people who own the company, they ultimately are responsible. He defended it here vigorously so obviously he had no problem doing something that even you admitt was wrong. Here your own boss posts a thread showing that AFF (a company Lars is an owner in) is helping to support people who are stealing from the company you work for.

How many opps, my company made a mistake does it take for you to not like the people who own the company and are calling all the shots.

You logic is retarded. You keep saying " i like him but not his business ". Do you think businesses run themselves. Do you think he has the power to stop these things ? He is the fucking owner of the business. Instead of changing his business actions he either ignores threads like this or he defends what he does.

" I don't like their business practices but the people who own and run the company are great people " :upsidedow :1orglaugh :Oh crap :1orglaugh :upsidedow


and believe me, I am not replying to you, I am replying to your bullshit for the few people out there that might be lost enough to buy into the crap you saying.

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12257912)

Definitely not the results I had expected, to be sure.

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 12258246)

I know that you'd like to see the same thing most of us would like. For AFF and/or Lars, people we'd respected in the past and liked, to take a stand and say that we (and homegrown) are more important to them than the Torrent site. That doing the right thing by Homegrown means more to them than whatever signups they might get from BTMon and end their affiliate relationship with them.

They did it with ImageCash once. What's changed? Is AFF and/or Lars somehow different today and with different priorities and values?

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258316)

Since so many have villainized Lars as the mastermind and owner behind AFF and the whole Zango business, here's some reading for you.

http://www.ambushinterview.com/82/interview82.html

or the link to the actual GFY thread

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/577176-ambush-interview-82-theprofessor-owner-founder-adult-friend-finder.html

Yes, I'm sure it'll fall on deaf ears, but those with a shred of understanding for business may actually take something away from it.

Originally Posted by ucv.karl (Post 12258488)

Are you saying Lars is Junior Soprano, and Andrew is Tony?

Lars is the lightning rod for Aff (i.e. Andrew)?

What are you saying?

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258513)

I've never seen Sopranos.

I'm saying that in a company the size of AFF, no one man is responsible for decisions, I'm sure Lars doesn't just walk into a board meeting and tell them how it's going to be and they go with it. Or did this aspect of corporate culture elude the bandwagon?

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258233)

Last time I checked, LadyMischief was my wife, not my employee.

You really never have worked for a large scale company, have you? You simply have no concept of business.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12258626)

no sorry I don't keep up with the whos whos shit in the industry I was not aware of your relationship. I noticed her sig which said " affiliate manager " I had no other way to know she had ownership and she has never said otherwise in any of her posts to me.

I have simply have no concept of business, how so ? because I say the people who own the company are responsible for the actions of the company ????? I am proud to say I never worked for a large scale company, but if it counts for anything I own a small company the generates 7 figures a year. I would think the later would give me credibility than having been an employee of the large company. Maybe I am wrong. Who cares. I fail to see what I am missing here regardless, maybe you can spell it out for me instead of insinuating, haven't we gone down that road once before. Spit it out, no need to be candid. Why do you think I have no concept of business ? help educate me how I am wrong. Since I have no concept of business I take you do, care to share a little of knowledge ?

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258221)

What, so you can apply more spin to my words to make it suit your agenda? Thanks, but I'll pass.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 12258603)

Well, that may be true, but the top guys are always the one who take the hit. Thats why they're the top guys.

Anything that goes wrong in the United States is George Bush's fault. All of it. Thats how its perceived. You can't exactly fight basic perception. You can only correct the flaws and try to pawn it off on others. Thats what corporations do. They don't just keep making the same mistake, after its brought up, brag about it, and then later say "oops, I had no control, it wasn't me" when the real shit goes down.

While Lars may not have full control, hell he may not even have any control, he was the one on GFY representing their decisions. Thats what people know, thats what people remember, and thats who people criticize.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12258638)

ah so thats a good one. You start a thread and then say it didn't turn out how you expected but you want state what your expections where since you are worried will76 might try to spin it.

I had no idea I had so much influence around here. You wont state why you started this thread or what you were hoping it would accomplish because of me ?

Originally Posted by ShaveBucks (Post 12258302)

Can he be happy with a company taking a stand at the company that he hates? .

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12258668)

Taking a stand.... wtf


He posted a link to AFF advertising on a page that had his stolen content on it and then said " very uncool ".

Then he later said the thread didn't turn out the way he expected. What did he expect would happen. AFF to remove their ads from that site ??


Good look on your stand. I will stay out of your way, i wouldn't want you to take a stand against me and call me very uncool.

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258316)

Since so many have villainized Lars...

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12258842)

Do you all really think Lars has no power over any of this? He is just a really well paid puppet. Im a small company and I know where all my traffic comes from and your saying a 300 person company has no idea? They dont read GFY ,where example after example has been posted of BT's using content thats not theirs and they are AFF affiliates. I have to tell you I came from the mainstream world, a publicly traded dotcom. No one farted without upstairs approval. Why are people defending the actions of a company thats fucking our industry and then trying to make Will out as a villain, he made many aware.How is that a bad thing? Maybe because you work for a big company you have no idea how much it hurts when your sweat and blood is given away and a fellow adult company is giving these thieves a away to make a buck off of your sweat. Lets face it, if companies didnt take BT's as affiliates they wouldnt exist its about money.I think people feel its better to say Tony and Will have an agenda, are crazy, keyboard warriors than to face the fact someone you like, really could give a shit less about you and is only in for the buck,not who they hurt.

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258875)

This discussion wasn't about the Zango situation, you wonder why people think you're a keyboard warrior? Review who turned the conversation in that direction. My point all along has been that there is more to any given situation then meets the eye. I'm done talking about Zango crap with any of you, all you seem to care about is roasting anyone you can as the enemy of the industry if they don't agree with you. Shows real character, or lack there of to be more specific.

Originally Posted by jact (Post 12258875)

This discussion wasn't about the Zango situation, you wonder why people think you're a keyboard warrior? Review who turned the conversation in that direction. My point all along has been that there is more to any given situation then meets the eye. I'm done talking about Zango crap with any of you, all you seem to care about is roasting anyone you can as the enemy of the industry if they don't agree with you. Shows real character, or lack there of to be more specific.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12258915)

Also all I was speaking about was Bit torrents not Zango.BT means bit torrent not zango FYI