beer and all is good, get you drunk so you don't feel the pain, but a true bro will give you vaseline before they fuck you.

Your agenda seems to be to dredge up the Zango business at any chance you get. I kindly ask you not to call me an asshole, I've done nothing to warrant such name calling, I've supported you when the world thought you were a raving lunatic.

so i ask you again, and again. You started this thread, you said it had not have the results you expected.

What did you expect ?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

he is an owner of the company, so don't blame the company, blame the people who own the company, they ultimately are responsible. He defended it here vigorously so obviously he had no problem doing something that even you admitt was wrong. Here your own boss posts a thread showing that AFF (a company Lars is an owner in) is helping to support people who are stealing from the company you work for.

How many opps, my company made a mistake does it take for you to not like the people who own the company and are calling all the shots.

You logic is retarded. You keep saying " i like him but not his business ". Do you think businesses run themselves. Do you think he has the power to stop these things ? He is the fucking owner of the business. Instead of changing his business actions he either ignores threads like this or he defends what he does.

" I don't like their business practices but the people who own and run the company are great people " :upsidedow :1orglaugh :Oh crap :1orglaugh :upsidedow


and believe me, I am not replying to you, I am replying to your bullshit for the few people out there that might be lost enough to buy into the crap you saying.

What, so you can apply more spin to my words to make it suit your agenda? Thanks, but I'll pass.

You should have seen me at Mc Donalds today, I started using french fries in a demonstration to show the people who worked their how zango worked and was a bad thing.

Last time I checked, LadyMischief was my wife, not my employee.

You really never have worked for a large scale company, have you? You simply have no concept of business.

I know that you'd like to see the same thing most of us would like. For AFF and/or Lars, people we'd respected in the past and liked, to take a stand and say that we (and homegrown) are more important to them than the Torrent site. That doing the right thing by Homegrown means more to them than whatever signups they might get from BTMon and end their affiliate relationship with them.

They did it with ImageCash once. What's changed? Is AFF and/or Lars somehow different today and with different priorities and values?

And you hit the nail on the head :)

Good ole Will. Taking the good fight and turning it into something dirty and ugly, as his obsession twists any situation he can find into some reason for him to hate and dwell over it.
Can he be happy with a company taking a stand at the company that he hates? No, he has to turn it into his own personal war like agenda to make himself feel important, all the while looking like a fool.
Why is there very little interaction with any other board members in this thread? Because it's a farce. Will76 has gone over the line with his obsession and is actually starting to get people to ignore Zango because they are so incredibly sick of this crap, when really they should still be willing to fight it.
Good job Will. You've officially lost it. "it" being your sanity, the fight, the audience and the plot.

Since so many have villainized Lars as the mastermind and owner behind AFF and the whole Zango business, here's some reading for you.

http://www.ambushinterview.com/82/interview82.html

or the link to the actual GFY thread

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/577176-ambush-interview-82-theprofessor-owner-founder-adult-friend-finder.html

Yes, I'm sure it'll fall on deaf ears, but those with a shred of understanding for business may actually take something away from it.

Are you saying Lars is Junior Soprano, and Andrew is Tony?

Lars is the lightning rod for Aff (i.e. Andrew)?

What are you saying?

I've never seen Sopranos.

I'm saying that in a company the size of AFF, no one man is responsible for decisions, I'm sure Lars doesn't just walk into a board meeting and tell them how it's going to be and they go with it. Or did this aspect of corporate culture elude the bandwagon?

Post 65!

Well, that may be true, but the top guys are always the one who take the hit. Thats why they're the top guys.

Anything that goes wrong in the United States is George Bush's fault. All of it. Thats how its perceived. You can't exactly fight basic perception. You can only correct the flaws and try to pawn it off on others. Thats what corporations do. They don't just keep making the same mistake, after its brought up, brag about it, and then later say "oops, I had no control, it wasn't me" when the real shit goes down.

While Lars may not have full control, hell he may not even have any control, he was the one on GFY representing their decisions. Thats what people know, thats what people remember, and thats who people criticize.

no sorry I don't keep up with the whos whos shit in the industry I was not aware of your relationship. I noticed her sig which said " affiliate manager " I had no other way to know she had ownership and she has never said otherwise in any of her posts to me.

I have simply have no concept of business, how so ? because I say the people who own the company are responsible for the actions of the company ????? I am proud to say I never worked for a large scale company, but if it counts for anything I own a small company the generates 7 figures a year. I would think the later would give me credibility than having been an employee of the large company. Maybe I am wrong. Who cares. I fail to see what I am missing here regardless, maybe you can spell it out for me instead of insinuating, haven't we gone down that road once before. Spit it out, no need to be candid. Why do you think I have no concept of business ? help educate me how I am wrong. Since I have no concept of business I take you do, care to share a little of knowledge ?

I've made my point, and you've missed it. Carry on.

ah so thats a good one. You start a thread and then say it didn't turn out how you expected but you want state what your expections where since you are worried will76 might try to spin it.

I had no idea I had so much influence around here. You wont state why you started this thread or what you were hoping it would accomplish because of me ?

Very valid, perception is a beast you will never win against. I'm not even sure why I bothered trying. Half of the readership of GFY wouldn't survive a week working at McD's.

What I set out to do has been accomplished, without having to give you fuel for your Zango powered Willmobile.

Taking a stand.... wtf


He posted a link to AFF advertising on a page that had his stolen content on it and then said " very uncool ".

Then he later said the thread didn't turn out the way he expected. What did he expect would happen. AFF to remove their ads from that site ??


Good look on your stand. I will stay out of your way, i wouldn't want you to take a stand against me and call me very uncool.

Maybe someone threatened him with revocation of bro status?

Thanks for the link man! :thumbsup

You choose who you work for and what you are willing to do on their behalf. That apart, what Lars' apologists also seem intent on ignoring is that his "contributions" to this discussion have gone far beyond anything required by his duties as a company front man, on occasion being downright insulting to his affiliates.

We all have our own perspectives, but this is how (and why) I rate the villains:

Bottom of the list: Zango and the other scumware distributors, because although I cannot imagine an acceptable use for their "services", when it comes right down to it, they only provide a tool (which no-one is forced to use).

Next: everyone who has continued to work with those who have not adopted an anti-scumware stance. Sponsors such as Silvercash and sites like Sleazy Dreams, to all practical intents and purposes are legitimizing non-competitive practises.

Next: SexSearch and the other sponsors who have been named over the past few months, along with everyone else who profits from scumware. All these people are crapping on the rest of us while (in many cases) encouraging us to sign up as affiliates, trade traffic with them, or whatever.

Top of the list: Even without Lars' personal input to widen the gap, Various Inc would be up there anyway, because every time someone wants to monetize a gray area of our business (and in some cases that is a generous way of putting it), there is AFF. It is offensive that at the same time this company is out there for so many of those who are undermining everyone who is attempting to run a legitimate business, their banners, competitions, etc are constantly in front of us. To make things worse, this is a company big enough to dictate professional standards, yet instead chooses to help keep this industry in the Wild West.

i doubt lars will even cancel accounts on sites like piratebay or any other torrent cause of the amount of traffic, and how much they make off AFF.

Do you all really think Lars has no power over any of this? He is just a really well paid puppet. Im a small company and I know where all my traffic comes from and your saying a 300 person company has no idea? They dont read GFY ,where example after example has been posted of BT's using content thats not theirs and they are AFF affiliates. I have to tell you I came from the mainstream world, a publicly traded dotcom. No one farted without upstairs approval. Why are people defending the actions of a company thats fucking our industry and then trying to make Will out as a villain, he made many aware.How is that a bad thing? Maybe because you work for a big company you have no idea how much it hurts when your sweat and blood is given away and a fellow adult company is giving these thieves a away to make a buck off of your sweat. Lets face it, if companies didnt take BT's as affiliates they wouldnt exist its about money.I think people feel its better to say Tony and Will have an agenda, are crazy, keyboard warriors than to face the fact someone you like, really could give a shit less about you and is only in for the buck,not who they hurt.

This discussion wasn't about the Zango situation, you wonder why people think you're a keyboard warrior? Review who turned the conversation in that direction. My point all along has been that there is more to any given situation then meets the eye. I'm done talking about Zango crap with any of you, all you seem to care about is roasting anyone you can as the enemy of the industry if they don't agree with you. Shows real character, or lack there of to be more specific.

Now your not making sense and throw out accusations because you dont have an argument. They are supporting stealing, you showed an example of it,we wont talk about the many other examples of it and Im a scumbag.Thats too funny.Your the one without any self respect.

Also all I was speaking about was Bit torrents not Zango.BT means bit torrent not zango FYI

Whichever you were talking about in the most recent post doesn't make you any less of a windbag.

if calling me names makes you feel better about yourself be my guest. You know exactly what im talking about.

I know what an absolute logistical nightmare it is trying to stay on top of where affiliate tracking is coming in, the tricks affiliates play to mask where the traffic's really sourced from and all the other little goodies that go on behind the scenes and I'm responsible for far less then 300,000 affiliates (I think that's what the interview said AFF has?). So no I don't think that they can at all times know where the traffic is coming from. Letting it continue once you know about it is a different story altogether.

And windbag is far from name calling on the GFY scale, you should have thicker skin then that, Tony.

Its annoying and its my work that this happens with. Be it whole scenes on BT or passwords traded, that hurts my bottom line. Im sorry a site like pirate bay must bring mountains of traffic I highly doubt no one is watching that. Also its not like one isolated incident,every time I find something is stolen content or password,there is that fucking AFF banner. I dont think im talking out of left field on this.

So instead of getting aggro about it on a message board (Or while you do) build a list, inform the content owners, get DMCAs in on what you own, contact the affiliate programs. Believe it or not, we can make a dint in the ocean that is content piracy, but we can't rid the world of it unfortunately.

If a group wants to get together to do this, I will be the first volunteer.:thumbsup :thumbsup

I'm sure that Homegrown Video would be down since this affects us as much as anyone.

You've been around long enough to know that not even 10% of those affiliates are active.

As for tracking, it's not necessary. The links have been stuck in Lars' and other AFF employees faces many times. And they've gone ignored each and every time.

Also, tracking is not as complex as you make it sound. For starters, not one of these sites make any attempt to disguise their source of traffic. Most of them use hosted tools from AFF, in fact. Secondly, it would not be tough to examine the top 25 affiliates and check their sources. It would take one person two days tops to do this. AFF has 300+ employees, I'm sure they can spare one for the day. Fact is, they don't give a fuck. As long as the sales roll in, they turn a blind eye.

I will contact you this week, your right arguing on this board is a waste of time and energy that could be used better to fight this.

Lets remember we must unite against the common enemy.

"What, the Judean Peoples Front?"

"No the Romans!"

yeah your fucking wife.

I posted #6 didn't make any reference to zango. Your wife posts #12 and brings it up and " turns the conversation in that dirrection" implying that the company using zango is bad but the owner of the company can still be good. I've argued that point since.

Apparently you already made your mind up about me, but thats fine. Please carry on with your stand. I am sure AFF will lose sleep tonight because you called what they did " very uncool".

You gave me a really good idea above btw.

I was dragged into the conversation by someone else, third post. Doesn't matter though, apparently the thread served it's TRUE purpose, AFF is dealing with it. Thanks guys. :)

Woah im surprised, AFF and doing something wrong, no way!

AFF is dealing with it? mmhmm, sure they are.

AFF has been notified so many times of flagrant abuse, and the only time they even make an appearance of taking action is when it hits the boards, but even then, they usually choose to ignore the thread and just bump their bot laiden contest threads.

You posted earlier about how folks should take these issues up with the sponsors themselves. I would have to disagree with that. I have contacted several sponsors about certain issues over the years, and if a reply is even offered, it is usually just the standard lip service and nothing changes.

Contacted one sponsor a couple years ago about his server being hacked. They told me I had spyware and wouldn't continue the discussion until I threatened to go to the boards.

I guess in some companies defense, they have to deal with a lot of issues from folks they have never heard from. Unless the 'whiner' is a big player, most complaints/inquiries go unanswered. Which is why taking it to the boards is usually more powerful than direct complaints.

At least when taken to the boards, it gives other affiliates the chance to see the true colors of certain programs.

This is just a quick trivia question since I am not interested in exacerbating this stuff any further.

What do CE and AFF have in common?

lol, yep, don't mess with me especially when i have point to prove...

Time is ticking and we need a winner... remember, an all expense paid trip which can be written off is yours to Curacao where you will be able to open your very own slush fund account and enjoy the luxury of offshore banking!

Time to make a point!

Both been profiting off your content without you getting paid for it? :winkwink:

These are letters found in the alphabet?

just a bump for you :upsidedow