thumbnail copyright precedent - GoFuckYourself.com

montel · 08-15-2002, 09:49 AM

I have heard that there was a copyright case in a US which found that it is not a breach of copyright to show thumbnails of images without holding the license. could someone please point me towards some more info?
thnx

Theo · 08-15-2002, 09:53 AM

it's true unless you are going to use Charly's content where special rules apply.

NightCaster · 08-15-2002, 10:01 AM

Does anyone have a website where the case is described?

gothweb · 08-15-2002, 10:02 AM

Just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean you should do it.

kosmic · 08-15-2002, 10:03 AM

Thumbnail Theft, WTF! Thats just not right.

RATBOY · 08-15-2002, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by NightCaster
Does anyone have a website where the case is described?

Yes I would love to see details on this as well. Lawpal are you out there?

quiet · 08-15-2002, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by gothweb
Just because it isn't illegal doesn't mean you should do it.

jesus christ, in a pragmatic sense, who the fuck cares?

does someone have a link to an article?

gothweb · 08-15-2002, 10:09 AM

Pragmatic huh?

I just mean that just because shot dirtbag got away with theft and set a precident that it is legal doesn't make it okay.

montel · 08-15-2002, 10:12 AM

check out google's image search... they have millions of copyright images thumbnailed.

hyper · 08-15-2002, 10:12 AM

http://www.legallanguage.com/lawarti...larida003.html

NightCaster · 08-16-2002, 02:52 AM

What about using thumbnails of images from sponsor hosted galleries on your own TGP? You don't own the copyright for that thumbnail but you are linking to the sponsor gallery...

hahmike · 08-16-2002, 06:43 AM

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Originally posted by NightCaster
What about using thumbnails of images from sponsor hosted galleries on your own TGP? You don't own the copyright for that thumbnail but you are linking to the sponsor gallery...

uhh... obviously that is fine.

like asking if it is okay to use amateur pages banners to link to amateur pages.

.:Frog:. · 08-16-2002, 06:53 AM

Does anyone buy from Charly?

Que? · 08-16-2002, 11:14 AM

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Does anyone buy from Charly?

quite a few i would imagine...

Anyway I think the legal term is 'fair use'. Have seen some links on it but dont remember where...

lucky482 · 08-16-2002, 02:35 PM

Correct me if im wrong but wouldn't thumbnails be considered banners? Which most content license allow use of their content as banners, which allows the banners to be hosted on any domain as long as it links back to the site that holds the license.

So why would anyone think thumbnails are illegal..

GFED · 08-16-2002, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by lucky482
Correct me if im wrong but wouldn't thumbnails be considered banners? Which most content license allow use of their content as banners, which allows the banners to be hosted on any domain as long as it links back to the site that holds the license.

So why would anyone think thumbnails are illegal..

Most sites use them for blind links...

Fletch XXX · 08-16-2002, 02:48 PM

Notice the fools who fight for fair use dont own any copyrights to anything.

If you did, you wouldnt hide behind such minute details.

I take plenty of pics, and everyone of them I post has my URL on it, for a reason, I dont trust one fuck when it comes to my own images.

Just think if all the pics of my herbs I post, some fools were collecting them and making a site about them and popping "Piss test" pills on the pages, thats cool right?

Fuck no.

I mean afterall, its just a pic of marijuana I found in google right?

No, someone took it. me.

My pics are my pics, dont use em.

Fuck fair use.

Chris R · 08-16-2002, 03:07 PM

I see people arguing all the time they don't want their pictures thumbnailed (mostly non adult) and even people that DO NOT WANT search engines visiting their pages.

You should see all the bitching on some of the google boards about google caching their pages and the image search. I have made thousands of dollars off of googlke image search and cache traffic.

Sometimes people shoot themselves in the foot. Thumbnails in these types of cases almost always indirectly help the photographer and their clients.

Copyright is a legal protection to encourage artists - it is not an absolute license for all eternity.

kmanrox · 08-16-2002, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
it's true unless you are going to use Charly's content where special rules apply.

ahaha

kmanrox · 08-16-2002, 03:18 PM

if there is precedent i would like to know, and so would any thumbnail preview tgp webmaster as we host thumbnails submitted to us by apparent licensed users, but technically the thumbnails preside on our server..

<IMX> · 08-16-2002, 03:39 PM

See the "I wish APIC would fucking DIE !"
I posted some links to thumbnail articles there.
Interesting stuff.

Sly_RJ · 08-16-2002, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Notice the fools who fight for fair use dont own any copyrights to anything.

If you did, you wouldnt hide behind such minute details.

I take plenty of pics, and everyone of them I post has my URL on it, for a reason, I dont trust one fuck when it comes to my own images.

Just think if all the pics of my herbs I post, some fools were collecting them and making a site about them and popping "Piss test" pills on the pages, thats cool right?

Fuck no.

I mean afterall, its just a pic of marijuana I found in google right?

No, someone took it. me.

My pics are my pics, dont use em.

Fuck fair use.

All the pictures that you post, did you shoot those?

Fletch XXX · 08-16-2002, 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

All the pictures that you post, did you shoot those?

The ones on my servers yes. Unless I own a license to them.

If I *link* a picture here, that cannot be compared to someone *gathering* someone elses images.

The REASON I link them is so I dont put them on my server and host them myself, which would be theft.

Sly_RJ · 08-16-2002, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

The ones on my servers yes. Unless I own a license to them.

If I *link* a picture here, that cannot be compared to someone *gathering* someone elses images.

The REASON I link them is so I dont put them on my server and host them myself, which would be theft.

Valid point.

I can just imagine the reactions on their face when they look through their logs...

foe · 08-16-2002, 03:56 PM

Link to this?

08-15-2002, 09:49 AM	#1
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lucky482 Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 252	Correct me if im wrong but wouldn't thumbnails be considered banners? Which most content license allow use of their content as banners, which allows the banners to be hosted on any domain as long as it links back to the site that holds the license. So why would anyone think thumbnails are illegal..

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Notice the fools who fight for fair use dont own any copyrights to anything. If you did, you wouldnt hide behind such minute details. I take plenty of pics, and everyone of them I post has my URL on it, for a reason, I dont trust one fuck when it comes to my own images. Just think if all the pics of my herbs I post, some fools were collecting them and making a site about them and popping "Piss test" pills on the pages, thats cool right? Fuck no. I mean afterall, its just a pic of marijuana I found in google right? No, someone took it. me. My pics are my pics, dont use em. Fuck fair use. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	I see people arguing all the time they don't want their pictures thumbnailed (mostly non adult) and even people that DO NOT WANT search engines visiting their pages. You should see all the bitching on some of the google boards about google caching their pages and the image search. I have made thousands of dollars off of googlke image search and cache traffic. Sometimes people shoot themselves in the foot. Thumbnails in these types of cases almost always indirectly help the photographer and their clients. Copyright is a legal protection to encourage artists - it is not an absolute license for all eternity.

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