It was illegal in many parts of America for blacks and whites to get married. Humanity grew up a little ? as they did when they revoked such an archaic biblical sodomy law. We still have quite a bit of growing up to do.

Women voting, blacks having rights, and freedom of speech were all illegal at one time in this country.

You would also be a criminal yourself if you've ever received blowjob in your life.

Dude look your counter-argument to my pedophilia-homosexual-necrophilia connection was that two of those were involving illegal acts, I replied that up until 2003 so was homosexuality and all you can do is come back and talk about other old laws? So by YOUR comparison eventually pedophilia and necrophilia would be acceptable? You make no fucking sense.

What laws you gonna get rid of next? Shall we grow up and realize that fucking dead people is cool too? Get fucking real dude. Homosexual acts WERE illegal for a long time.

Oh and in response to BoyAlleys thread
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=721628
I suggest we celebrate homosexual soldier got murdered day on July 6th!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Winchell
Woohoo so much fun!

Receiving a blowjob also constituted as "sodomy" and was illegal in many states for a LONG time. Did that make it right to make it illegal?

Lol your question is funny, I am not talking about right and wrong I am talking about what the laws were. All sexual deviancies will be a moral call by society as a whole.

Exactly right, and time and time again it is shown how the ?moral call? can hurt so many innocent people until such judgments are overturned by society itself, many times by the minority (judges/judicial decisions). Two gays of consensual age fucking each other doesn?t hurt anyone, just as a black man and white woman getting married hurt no one. There is a reason that such stupid archaic laws have been and are being repealed ? they have no logical reasoning behind them and only serve to disparage the minority. As odd as it sounds, these small steps show that humanity isn?t completely fucked in the head and can actually change over time.

Fucking a dead person doesnt hurt anyone? Fucking animals doesnt hurt anyone?

A dead person cannot consent. An animal cannot consent. Two gay people can. :thumbsup

Sodomy caused no harm to anyone on this planet. Necrophilia and Pedophilia do. I stated that this country has had a lot of ass backwards laws in its past, including the sodomy one. I don't think you can classify sexual assault of a minor and fucking a corpse as the same thing as two consenting adults pleasuring each other in the form they want to.

So should consent is the basis of legality?

Sodomy is not a strictly homosexual act. It involves oral and anal sex. In fact, it also includes masturbation.

So you are in the adult industry, and want masturbation to be made illegal? Wow.

Again laws are subjective based on the moral vibe of society as a whole, I wont go into history but even necrophilia was acceptable in some societies.

Lets get back to the issue, you said "hormones" cause homosexuality, so do they cause other things such as pedophilia? Also I would like you to give me a scientific source for your theory if thats not too much trouble.

Ok you need to stop putting words in my mouth. NEVER in this ENTIRE thread did I say that it should be illegal. This is the second time youve done this, it really is quite perplexing that you are reading into my "motives" for this argument.

When it comes to sex, of course. There are other considerations (such as harmful intent) but consent is the primary concern when it comes to sex. For example, a man who consensually allows another man to cut off his penis then eat it in an act of cannibalism would not be lawful even if both adults consented for obvious reasons. For the vast majority of cases though, adults of legal age of any sexual orientation can legally fuck each other because they can consent.

Lol ok so consent isnt really the basis its just one guideline, you dont see where this is going? :)

Hormones cause sexual arousal. I don't have my high school Biology book handy, but running a search for peptide hormones should provide you a plethora of results to research. It's the same stuff that major pharmaceutical companies are using in erectile dysfunction and sexual arousal disorder. I thought the debate on what causes sexual arousal in humans was closed a long time ago in the scientific community?

why do you waste your time going back and forth with him.If you dont hit the ball back he will go away.

Perhaps someone logged into your account and wrote the following:

Consent is the primary guideline and it should always be. But you can't have it being an end-all-be-all thing. If a chick and I consented to cut off each others arms while fucking, we couldn't do that lawfully because of harmful intent. The fucking, sure. Sliced off limbs, nada. Two gays consenting to sex is lawful because there is no harmful intent. Both people (or multiple people if you are into that sorta thing) can consent to have sex, and since there is no harmful intent there is no logical reason to deny them. At this point you can only really fall back onto a crutch of religious morality since there is no logical reason to prevent two consenting adults, regardless of sexual orientation, from having sex.

At the risk of taking the thread back on topic:

The issue of sexual abuse and its correlation with sexuality is a complex one, and it's one I've actually spent some time studying (i.e., looking at clinical studies and references in the psychological literature)

Homosexuality (in the sense of sexual *orientation*) is genetically based and therefore hardwired, and pretty much no one except the Christian wingnuts disputes this any more. There's some pretty strong evidence for a biological basis.

HOWEVER, there is also a class of people with a sexual *preference* that may have been altered as a result of abuse they suffered. This can apply to both men and women, and comprises a very small percentage of the population who is attracted to same-sex relationships. However, most of the people that fall into this category have other issues that prevent them from having healthy sexual relationships of *any* type (same or opposite sex), which are secondary issues that appear to be caused by the abuse they suffered.

In other words, nearly all gays and lesbians are hardwired to be that way, but a small percentage of people may find themselves uncomfortable in relationships with the opposite sex as a result of abuse they suffered, but these people are not so much attracted to the same sex as they are repelled by the opposite sex as a result of the abuse.

Hardwired homosexuals cannot be made heterosexual any more than hardwired heterosexuals can be made homosexual.

Those of you who are straight guys, ask yourself if you think you could get therapy and learn to enjoy sucking dick and taking it up the ass from a guy. My guess is probably not. It's exactly the same for probably 99% of gay men and lesbians.

I said technically they should be convicted based on the law, I didnt say I personally condone that law idiot.

Your post was made after someone pointed out that sodomy was legal. Try again. :error

I sure would like to see "hard" scientific *proof* of this, and dont get excited because I used the word "hard".

You know what man? FUCK YOU. I was just about to bust out the Chewbacca defense, you've ruined EVERYTHING you fucking faggot :mad:

I should have used the words "SHOULD HAVE BEEN" instead of "SHOULD BE" that is the only difference.

Just for public record, I dont hate homosexuals or homosexuality, matter of fact some of my favorite musical artists are faggots. :thumbsup

Ok, so you felt people should have been convicted of sodomy back in the day? That everytime you received a blowjob you'd be given a ticket?

Technically you thought it was still legal as your earlier post points out. So you are telling me that you entered into the porn industry all the while believing that people should be convicted of masturbating in their own homes? Do you see how crazy that is? It would be like selling cookies and being for the conviction of people who eat them.

Dude look "SHOULD" does not reflect my personal opinion, I am saying SHOULD as in a matter of the fact of the LAW. Just like a shoplifter who gets away with shoplifting should have been caught and punished, do I care? no. does the law care? yes. Get it straight.

Like I said before I like faggots dude I think they are funny.

BoyAlley doesnt want to play good cop bad cop anymore?

what scientific community would that be? it sure wasn't in my psych classes nor anywhere else respectable... i have heard it from oldschoolers who also believe that women all wish they had a penis and can't be fulfilled without children. but those days are over - have you heard? it's the 2000's now...

I'm 75% gay and I wasn't abused by anyone.

First off..CONGRATS..wow..you found something on the internet (I guess, no actual link is listed) to "support" your arguments. Geez..I've got links proving Elvis works at a dairy queen in Milwaukee!

But, WHAT the heck does the above study have to do with gay men are the ones suffering the most physical abuse? It has NOTHING to do with your original statement at all. Do you even REMEMBER what point you're trying to make! LOL!!! :1orglaugh

I was an only child.

The louder one "yells" the less they really have to say, and in your case, this really reverberates with your conclusion that people choose to be gay.
Amazing..so many people posing as experts on the human psyche when they can't even keep their own life straight (no pun intended).

And most of all, I love straight non-experts telling gay men & women why they are the way they are. Absolutely hysterical!

strange....

What parallel universe do you come from?
You can't make one valid scientific arguement to back your statements.
You can't make one logical arguement to back your statements.

And you sure as hell can't use FACTS ("fucking men in the ass was was illegal in most of the USA until 2003..""...BZZZZZZZZ...WRONGO!!) to back up your statement.


Dude..you've just fucked yourself in the ass with all the inane shit you posted! :thumbsup

Womb environment 'makes men gay'
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm

Best theory I have read :)

I don't believe attraction is a choice. I don't believe being gay is a choice. I have known and been close friends with far too many gay men and women over the years to believe otherwise. Some of them I watched trying desperately to fit themselves into heterosexual molds all the while dying inside. Once those people were honest with themselves about feeling things they couldn't help, they were fine. This society puts way too much guilt and pressure on people who believe they may have homosexual attractions, and it makes them afraid to admit it to themselves. It's a lot of fear and a lot of pressure and it's' sad to say that it HAS to take a lot of courage simply because of the stigma many people attach to homosexuality.. But I ask this.. if homosexuality is an aberration of nature, why do we see it rampant in nature the world over? Many many animal species have homosexual relationships and some even form homosexual pair bonds.. it's been scientifically documented time and again.

When you break it down, on an elemental level, we share exactly the same DNA as every other living thing in the world. The structure of DNA has not changed in 4 billion years. It's only the change in sequence that makes us different from a wolf or another animal that expresses homosexual tendancies. We are animals too, we are part of mother nature. Why should we be the exceptions when our very existance is dictated by the same rules and building blocks?