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Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211280)
No Im not, heterosexuals are born with physical manifestations of their intended sexuality, a penis is different from a vagina because it is made to naturally procreate with a vagina. A penis has nothing to do with "pyschological traits".

I realize the word "heterosexual" has various meanings but there is no other word to describe the difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals. I could use the word "NORMAL" but that would be insensitive.

no one is disputing that a boy is born a boy and a girl is born a girl einstein. the question is "what causes sexual attraction to the same sex". you can't answer that question... you are simply trying to argue the obvious... a boy is born a boy, a girl is born a girl (almost always anyway), a penis is a penis and a vagina is a vagina - and pointing out their intended uses. believe it or not, everyone is aware of those facts... and also aware (as you appear not to be) that those facts, on thier own, do not conclusively answer the question at hand.

Splum 04-06-2007 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12211353)
no one is disputing that a boy is born a boy and a girl is born a girl einstein. the question is "what causes sexual attraction to the same sex". you can't answer that question...

Yes I did answer that question in a previous post, Einstein. :1orglaugh

Homosexuality is a personal CHOICE, the homosexual is the only one that can choose to be homosexual. Its not rocket science.

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211362)
Yes I did answer that question in a previous post, Einstein. :1orglaugh

Homosexuality is a personal CHOICE, the homosexual is the only one that can choose to be homosexual. Its not rocket science.

no... you are stating that its a personal choice... stating it as fact. you go further to offer moronic reasoning about sexual organs at birth, which has absolutely nothing to do with same sex attraction or making the connection between sexual attraction and arousal and "choice".

i am not gay. i can't wake up tomorrow and choose to be turned on by a mans hairy ass. so... am i just incapable of "choosing"?

tony286 04-06-2007 08:20 PM

The thing I find funny about bible fundamentalists is they pick and choose what to be fundamental about.

Splum 04-06-2007 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12211370)
no... you are stating that its a personal choice... stating it as fact.

No it IS a fact, there is no other scientific or natural proven reason. Show us proof that it ISNT a personal choice.

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12211370)
i am not gay. i can't wake up tomorrow and choose to be turned on by a mans hairy ass. so... am i just incapable of "choosing"?

Sure you can. Just like you can choose to murder someone. :1orglaugh

tony286 04-06-2007 08:28 PM

Being Gay is not personal choice, either your attracted to the same sex or not. Its not something you can fake for long.

Splum 04-06-2007 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 12211435)
Being Gay is not personal choice, either your attracted to the same sex or not. Its not something you can fake for long.

Either you are born gay or at some point you choose to be attracted to the same sex.

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211425)
No it IS a fact, there is no other scientific or natural proven reason. Show us proof that it ISNT a personal choice.

what your woefully limited capacity for reason is refusing to allow you to deduct by way of reason, is that you can't prove it is or isn't a personal choice 100% of the time in every single instance. no more than you can prove it is the personal choice of a male dog that only tries to fuck other male dogs.

you are confusing what you believe to be fact and what is fact. i can believe 2+2 is 7. i can argue all sorts of arguments just as you are. that doesn't mean i am right and when there is no consensus of peers or the scientific community, you might stop to reconsider your math... or at least accept the possibility of being wrong in your belief.

BoyAlley 04-06-2007 08:36 PM

Splum, just so you realize this, because apparently you're totally missing it:

You're making yourself look like a total jackass in front of absolutely everyone that's read this thread.

Nothing I enjoy more than when stupid people try to act intellectual. The result is always entertaining to say the least.

Go back to running your stupid porn sites and leave the thinking to those that are educated about the world around them. :2 cents:

Splum 04-06-2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12211474)
Splum, just so you realize this, because apparently you're totally missing it: You're making yourself look like a total jackass in front of absolutely everyone that's read this thread. Nothing I enjoy more than when stupid people try to act intellectual. The result is always entertaining to say the least. Go back to running your stupid porn sites and leave the thinking to those that are educated about the world around them. :2 cents:

You are so thilly, I dont give a flying nun fuck what any of these people think of me, matter of fact I actually seriously DESPISE a lot of you. :1orglaugh
Actually the "majority" of people in the world are on my side, you are the freak of nature, not I. Now hush up before I have to smack you up woman. :thumbsup

pocketkangaroo 04-06-2007 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211263)
HOMOsexuality is choice because it is not what the body is hardwired/designed for. Play semantics with the words all you want, but a male child is born with organs that are specifically used to procreate with females. That male child has a CHOICE to become a homosexual later on or follow his intended natural design.

The physical parts has nothing to do with their psychological disposition to like men or women. That is what we are discussing, what causes someone to prefer men over women, nature or nurture.

I don't feel it's a choice that you sit there and say "hmmmm, i think i'll choose men over women". Just as it's not really a choice that I have more sexual attraction to brunettes than blondes. Or some guys enjoy older women to younger ones. Of course I can choose a blonde over a brunette, but I have more sexual arousal to a brunette. I find it hard to believe that you could "choose" to be gay if you really wanted to.

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 08:46 PM

In August of 1991, while I was on the faculty of the Salk Institute in San Diego, I published a short paper in Science in which I reported on a difference in brain structure between straight and gay men. The difference was in a group of nerve cells called "INAH3." This cell group is located in a brain region known as the hypothalamus, which among other tasks helps generate our sexual behavior. Other researchers had previously reported that INAH3 was larger (on average) in men than in women. What I reported, based on a study of about forty brains obtained at autopsy, was that INAH3 was also larger in straight men than in gay men.

Being a science nerd whose previous papers had been ignored by everyone except my mother, I didn't expect anyone to pay attention to this one either. So I was quite taken aback when the "Gay Brain," as it was quickly dubbed, provoked a tremendous media splash. On the front page of the San Diego Union-Tribune it even took precedence over the collapse of Communism, which happened on the same day. People's reactions to my report were very mixed: there were people who loved it and there were people who loathed it, but almost everyone had some opinion about it. One widely expressed opinion (with which I agreed) was that the study needed to be replicated before its findings could be considered part of accepted scientific knowledge.

One of the most outspoken critics of my paper was William Byne, a neuroscientist and psychiatrist who is now on the faculty at Mt. Sinai Medical Center in New York. Initially, Byne suggested that INAH3 might not even exist. If it did exist, he said, it was probably the same size in men and women. And any difference that I had found between gay and straight men was most likely due to differences in the men's cause of death, rather than their sexual orientation. (All the gay men in my study had died of complications of AIDS.)

Unlike most of my critics, who tended to be humanities professors or right-wing clerics, Byne had the appropriate training to do a replication study, and he quickly embarked on one. With the help of several colleagues, he set about collecting and analyzing a new set of brain samples. Before too long, Byne had verified that INAH3 does exist, that it is generally larger in men than women and that the cause of death (AIDS versus other diseases) does not affect its size. However, years went by without any announcement concerning the key question ? is there a size difference related to sexual orientation?

Finally, on August 6 of this year, Byne presented his data at an international conference in Madrid. According to an account of the meeting in the Spanish newspaper La Raz?n, Byne reported that INAH3 was indeed larger in the straight men than in the gay men in his sample, in line with my 1991 Science report. Byne tells me that the difference was not as large as I had found, however. He declined to discuss the details of his statistical analysis prior to publication in a scientific journal.

La Raz?n did mention an interesting new detail. In spite of the size difference, Byne found that INAH3 contained the same number of nerve cells in the gay and straight men. If confirmed, this finding would suggest that there is no difference between gay and straight men in the earliest phase of brain development, when nerve cells are being generated and assemble into functional groups. Rather, the difference may arise at some later time, when the nerve cells in INAH3 are growing and forming connections.

What could cause such a difference in growth? There is a wide range of possibilities, ranging from genetic differences between individuals, differences in the levels of hormones (especially testosterone) that regulate cell growth in the hypothalamus and even differences in pre- or postnatal environment that could impact the growth of INAH3 through a variety of means.

Thus the findings on INAH3 to date do not prove a particular theory of sexual orientation as much as they point to ways in which such theories could be tested in the future. For example, if the technology becomes available to image INAH3 in living people, one could hope to establish the age at which the development of gay and straight men's brains diverges. Obviously, the factors causing the divergence must operate at or before that age. My prediction, based on animal experiments, is that the divergence happens before birth, but we don't yet know that for a fact.

Even without my research, we knew that there has to be some structural or chemical difference between the brains of gay and straight people. The alternative ? that the difference resides only in patterns of brain activity ? has been ruled out, because sexual orientation remains unchanged after all brain activity has been temporarily halted (by brain cooling or deep anesthesia, for example). What's surprising about the gay/straight difference in INAH3, then, is simply that it is so localized and obvious, rather than being diffusely spread through the synaptic architecture of the entire brain. This offers the hope that we will eventually be able to understand the origins of sexual orientation at a cellular level.

Splum 04-06-2007 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12211505)
I don't feel it's a choice that you sit there and say "hmmmm, i think i'll choose men over women". Just as it's not really a choice that I have more sexual attraction to brunettes than blondes. Or some guys enjoy older women to younger ones. Of course I can choose a blonde over a brunette, but I have more sexual arousal to a brunette. I find it hard to believe that you could "choose" to be gay if you really wanted to.

So what you are saying is that there is a "i prefer blondes" gene you are born with? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
These "preferences" are based on choices and experiences.

Splum 04-06-2007 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12211514)
..............

Oh please get real, all you have are theories.

pocketkangaroo 04-06-2007 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211497)
You are so thilly, I dont give a flying nun fuck what any of these people think of me, matter of fact I actually seriously DESPISE a lot of you. :1orglaugh
Actually the "majority" of people in the world are on my side, you are the freak of nature, not I. Now hush up before I have to smack you up woman. :thumbsup

Typically those who are against homosexuality and need to degrade it are dealing with sexual confusion and insecurity themselves. It is why you see so many Priests and religious leaders involved in homosexual relations.

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211524)
Oh please get real, all you have are theories.

there was science there. not my science.. science that you said didn't exist... and couldn't exist. you cant summarily define everyone elses belief on the issue "theory" and yours "fact". who do you think you are? the pope?

pocketkangaroo 04-06-2007 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211520)
So what you are saying is that there is a "i prefer blondes" gene you are born with? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
These "preferences" are based on choices and experiences.

We have hormones in our body that are triggered by various things. Whether it's liking fat chicks, Asians, or anything, people are more by things than others. If not, you would have the same attraction to a 400 pound woman than a 110 pound supermodel. The same chemical releases go into homosexuality. When a homosexual man sees another man, he becomes more aroused than if he was seeing another woman.

Are you telling me that you can turn on and off your arousals by choice? That if you really wanted to, you could be aroused by another man?

SteppenWolf 04-06-2007 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12211474)
Splum, just so you realize this, because apparently you're totally missing it:

You're making yourself look like a total jackass in front of absolutely everyone that's read this thread.

Nothing I enjoy more than when stupid people try to act intellectual. The result is always entertaining to say the least.

Go back to running your stupid porn sites and leave the thinking to those that are educated about the world around them. :2 cents:


I don't think at all that he is making a fool of himself in front of everybody. Since when discussing homosexuality is a sign of stupidity?

Besides, you continue to be on a very aggresive defensive stand. My guess it's that you are very sensitive about the topic i raised. I wonder why...

PS: And remember, no matter how many times you (or anybody else) call me names or whatever you think its clever to ridiculize me, the truth wont go away and still stands...

Splum 04-06-2007 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12211529)
Typically those who are against homosexuality and need to degrade it are dealing with sexual confusion and insecurity themselves. It is why you see so many Priests and religious leaders involved in homosexual relations.

That probably has some merit sure.
As for me personally I dont care who is or isnt gay, its a moot point to me but I dont like people who "escape" reality by blaming their abnormalities on nature. Its just kind of funny to me that they argue they are born gay or are "naturally gay" when clearly science cant explain it. Soooo fun to prove them wrong and frustrate them and very good for post count to boot. :)

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SteppenWolf (Post 12211542)
Besides, you continue to be on a very aggresive defensive stand. My guess it's that you are very sensitive about the topic i raised. I wonder why...

if you don't know why he is defensive... go to google or msn and search "causes of homosexuality" or "why are people homosexual".. see the top 100 results and there is your answer.

Splum 04-06-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12211539)
We have hormones in our body that are triggered by various things. Whether it's liking fat chicks, Asians, or anything, people are more by things than others. If not, you would have the same attraction to a 400 pound woman than a 110 pound supermodel. The same chemical releases go into homosexuality. When a homosexual man sees another man, he becomes more aroused than if he was seeing another woman. Are you telling me that you can turn on and off your arousals by choice? That if you really wanted to, you could be aroused by another man?

If this is your theory prove that this is what causes homosexuality, you will win a nobel peace prize for sure. Until then its just a theory.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 08:56 PM

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pocketkangaroo 04-06-2007 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211544)
That probably has some merit sure.
As for me personally I dont care who is or isnt gay, its a moot point to me but I dont like people who "escape" reality by blaming their abnormalities on nature. Its just kind of funny to me that they argue they are born gay or are "naturally gay" when clearly science cant explain it. Soooo fun to prove them wrong and frustrate them and very good for post count to boot. :)

So if it's a choice. Are you saying that if you grew up like BoyAlley did, you would be a homosexual?

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211551)
101 catholic priests



If this is your theory prove that this is what causes homosexuality, you will win a nobel peace prize for sure. Until then its just a theory.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

now peptide hormones and their function are a theory?

i guess since you didn't study elementary level biology, you can't be expected to know college level biology.

Splum 04-06-2007 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12211552)
101 turd burglers

Owned loser. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Splum 04-06-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12211555)
So if it's a choice. Are you saying that if you grew up like BoyAlley did, you would be a homosexual?

Who knows? Thats like saying if you grew up like a pedo did that you would be a pedo?

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12211555)
So if it's a choice. Are you saying that if you grew up like BoyAlley did, you would be a homosexual?

basically he is saying that any day, he might wake up and choose to eat a mans hairy ass, get fucked in the ass... then spend hours making out with that man by choice and really love every minute of it... even possibly deciding to marry that man

Turboface 04-06-2007 08:58 PM

This thread cracks me up.

http://www.wowmessageboards.com/foru...inkSpitter.gif

Splum 04-06-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12211556)
now peptide hormones and their function are a theory?

Hah! Show me a scientific white paper where it says hormones cause homosexuality. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Splum 04-06-2007 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 12211564)
even possibly deciding to marry that man

Same sex marriage and sodomy is outlawed mostly everywhere. :thumbsup

BoyAlley 04-06-2007 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Turboface (Post 12211566)

This thread is ridiculous is what it is.

For those genuinely interested in the topic, the scientific literature is out there to read.

pocketkangaroo 04-06-2007 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211562)
Who knows? Thats like saying if you grew up like a pedo did that you would be a pedo?

So if it's completely based on one's surroundings, it really isn't a choice, is it?

BoyAlley 04-06-2007 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211570)
sodomy is outlawed mostly everywhere. :thumbsup

Sodomy isn't outlawed anywhere in the United States. The supreme court over turned that in a case called Lawrence v. Texas.

Look it up Mr. Know It All.

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211570)
Same sex marriage and sodomy is outlawed mostly everywhere. :thumbsup

as you said... you can "choose" to lick another mans brown hairy asshole and totally enjoy it, in the exact same way you can "choose" to break a law.

besides, i don't think you will "choose" to let the law get in the way of your new lover and deeply satisfying relationship.

BoyAlley 04-06-2007 09:02 PM

Ok, I'm done helping the helmet wearers club generate threadviews.

Splum 04-06-2007 09:03 PM

You guys crack me up ok ok let me get this straight....

Pedophiles, Homosexuals and Necrophiliacs arent at fault because of something "hormonal or genetic" that causes their deviant abnormal behavior?

Pleasurepays 04-06-2007 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211589)
You guys crack me up ok ok let me get this straight....

Pedophiles, Homosexuals and Necrophiliacs arent at fault because of something "hormonal or genetic" that causes their deviant abnormal behavior?

how are they all the same thing?

the brain is a very complex organ. only a very tiny fraction of its function is understood. well... its poorly understood by science. apparently its well understood by some porn board moron who can't stop making an ass out of himself by making insanely stupid proclamations and declaring them fact.

pocketkangaroo 04-06-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12211589)
You guys crack me up ok ok let me get this straight....

Pedophiles, Homosexuals and Necrophiliacs arent at fault because of something "hormonal or genetic" that causes their deviant abnormal behavior?

Completely different. Pedophiles and Necrophiliacs have sexual arousal to things that are illegal. While they are aroused by them, by law, they are at fault for acting upon those urges. Many straight men have sexual arousal for Jessica Simpson, but they would be at fault for raping her. They are not at fault for being sexually aroused to it, they are at fault for acting upon it and breaking the law.

SteppenWolf 04-06-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 12211584)
Ok, I'm done helping the helmet wearers club generate threadviews.

In other threads you take your words and beliefs to the end, but for this topic you seems to avoid the issue and run...

And come on! Dont bring that pathetic threadview excuse. I dont run a sig and ever will... and hardly ever post.

I think its pretty clear at this point the answer to my original question is positive. But im still left with the curiosity regarding the details.

And again, being abused and the choice you made afterwards, doesnt turn you into a bad person. Just so you know.

Splum 04-06-2007 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 12211603)
Completely different. Pedophiles and Necrophiliacs have sexual arousal to things that are illegal. While they are aroused by them, by law, they are at fault for acting upon those urges. Many straight men have sexual arousal for Jessica Simpson, but they would be at fault for raping her. They are not at fault for being sexually aroused to it, they are at fault for acting upon it and breaking the law.

Actually fucking men in the ass WAS illegal in most of the USA until 2003 so your counter-argument is weak. Technically most homosexuals in the United States should be convicted of that crime.


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