ROFL :1orglaugh !! Where did you read it ??

CHIO IS a Pirate. I have personally climbed his mast, and raised his sails! AHOY MATTE!

Seeing as how most men in England are gay, can that really be considered a credible source?

Then BA must be gay.

LOL, yes we are quite a happy bunch in the UK :thumbsup

Mainly because we so glad not to be American :winkwink:

Am glad you finally got over that whole Tea Tax thing.

dirty slut! :) hehehe:thumbsup

LOL, yeup - mess about with an Englishman's tea or our right to drink warm beer and we get real ugly :)

It has been scientificly proven that people are born with there sexual orintation...

Where is this study does it mention abuse?

50 abused homos

#1 Please for the love of all that is decent use Firefox with spell checking enabled
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51.........

Well there are a ton of animals that have been documented as homosexuals. From fleas to sheep to giraffes. Were they all abused sexually as baby sheep? So to claim that nurture is the cause of it, you'd have to provide evidence supporting it across all the species of animals that exhibit homosexual behaivor.

As for how they procreate, there are a number of theories. In some animal groups, it's suggested that they are not as aggressive as heterosexuals, thus providing a longer lifespan. And being homosexual doesn't mean that you only have sex with men, there are tons of married men with children who are homosexual. Just ask Ted Haggard.

You can't mutate genes through acts of abuse :disgust

#1 We are talking about human homosexuality not animal homosexuality.
#2 I never said it was nurture, I just said it isnt natural
#3 Sure there may be a gene at birth, but that gene isnt common.
#4 Even if homosexuality isnt lifestyle/chosen/nurtured it certainly is unnatural.

I was wondering about that too.. I sounds like that excerpt is saying that having older brothers is the cause of men becomming gay - like some reversed oedipus complex thing..

No. They believe it has to do something with how the female body changes after giving birth to a male, and how during the pregnancy future male offspring are affected by extra hormones that the mother's body produces.

#1 We are animals. I really don't feel like regurgitating 6th grade Biology class to you, but I'm sure you can pull up some information on this.

#2 Well it's occured since the beginning of mankind. You can find homosexuality in Egyptian, Greek, and other ancient cultures. So in your mind it may be unnatural, but it is a naturally occurring presence throughout the history of mankind.

#3 Define common? Recent surveys have put the number of homosexuals between 2-5% of the population. They've also found between 10-15% of the population has had same sex attractions. So sure it's uncommon in a sense, just as type-O blood, being left handed, and having red hair is uncommon.

#4 This depends on your theory of natural. How can one describe their sexual attractions as natural or unnatural. Is it natural to want to screw fat chicks? Or have a fetish to be tied up in a dungeon and spanked? I think everyone has their buttons that turn them on sexually. To call one natural and another unnatural is difficult.

I believe youre born with a flaw that leads to homosexuality.

First you equate homosexuality with being "red haired" or "having type O blood" and on the next point you equate it to being an "attraction" or "fetish". That just completely blew away your argument. :1orglaugh

An attraction/fetish is not something you are born with, while being red haired or having type O blood is. Next thing you know you will be saying that murderers are naturally born.

Retardation is uncommon in births as well. Shall we put it on the same level as homosexuality? Fact is lots of these "abnormalities" have negative impacts on the persons life.

Homosexuality is abnormal and serves no proven scientific or natural purpose, PERIOD.

That being said I dont care who is or isnt homosexual or who is or isnt retarded, for instance I know you are retarded and I dont hold it against you.

I may be mistaken, but if something occurs in nature, doesn't that, by definition, make it natural?

nat·u·ral /ˈnætʃərəl, ˈnætʃrəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nach-er-uhl, nach-ruhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?adjective 1. existing in or formed by nature (opposed to artificial): a natural bridge.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/natural

in the "nature vs. nurture" argument, its totally absurd to say "it can't be a learned behavior, or the result of sexual/mental abuse or other causes outside of genetics"

ANYONE trying to say its 100% one way or the other is 100% afraid to explore the issue honestly... and lets be honest, there are many more reasons for a gay person to believe/proclaim its natural than not.

:2 cents:

Sure if you want to play word games but you cant argue the fact that homosexuality is preternatural, deviant and abnormal. :)

Would you like your ownage in paper or plastic?

It's not playing a word game, that is the definition of the term.

So you are saying that if you grew up in the same household as BoyAlley, you would be getting fucked in the ass nightly? That you're one different person in your life away from performing fellatio on men?

Well said :thumbsup

what BS. you can't say "naturally occuring" to explain its origins. that it existed doesn't explain why. you can only correctly state that it "has occured" - it can also be proven that it was more socially acceptable, and in some cultures even encouraged (in military for example), which can be offered as an explanation of instances homosexuality in different cultures.

I didn't say it was the same as having red hair or type O blood. I said those things were uncommon, but are close to the same percentage of people who are homosexual. You stated that homosexuality was uncommon, I'm saying that they are as common as the things I listed.

It's not? Are you saying that everyone is born the same exact way and that everything in society impacts it? That we are all born with the same taste buds and are not born with a pre-dispositioned liking toward certain tastes? That our brains are all the same and none of us have a genetic makeup that makes us prone to fight, be emotional, or any other charecteristic? That if you switched places with BoyAlley growing up, you'd be homosexual and he'd be spewing Republican talking points on a porn message board?

I don't think murderers are natually born, but I do think that their genetic makeup plays a role. I think homosexuality along with every other behaivoral quirk is a product of both your genetic makeup AND your environment.

But you feel it's based on nature which is fine. But with that thought, you'd have to believe that everyone could be changed. That a child molester can be rehabilitated, that a violent man can be peaceful, that everyone's wants and desires are strictly based on what others around them do.

The problem with your arguement when pertaining to homosexuality is you have no reason for why it occurs. You say it's nurture not nature, yet you can't find any natural coorelation in society. Homosexuals are rich, poor, black, white, have good parents, bad parents, and on and on. They've been around since before Christ. So if you believe homosexuality is nurture not nature, please tell us what causes it since no one on this planet has found any coorelation in society that causes it on a grand scale.

Thats only the outer shell... dig deeper and you will find similar characteristics: being abused as a child, having older brothers, etc.

I believe that being abused as a child can cause sexual confusion. But are you saying that every homosexual species on the planet is the product of being sexually abused or being the youngest child?

As for the youngest child, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of scientists who believe it has something to do with the mother and what happens to her after each male child she gives birth to. The reason why the youngest children are often less aggressive, intelligent, and other things.

Wait did you just say homosexuality is as common as those other uncommon things? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I told you this above pay attention but here it is again: I never said it was nurture please stop trying to put words into my mouth to fit your argument.

Its NOT nurture, while genetics may have some slight disposition to be more feminine, etc the cause of Homosexuality is CHOICE. There are no homosexual infants.

how do you know there are no homosexual infants? sexuality is not even part of an infants life. to be a homosexual, you have to have sexual attraction.

I would hope there are no homosexual infants. Just as there are no heterosexual infants. Infants don't have any sex drive. You've heard of puberty, right?

fake nic.

Oh yes there are heterosexual infants, they are born either male or female and their natural "equipment" is used to procreate with the opposite sex. Heterosexuals are sexually oriented to persons of the opposite sex.
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I just answered the question above. :)
You are either born with a dick or a pussy, those organs have specific natural functions, the primary reason of the difference between the two is for procreation purposes. WHEN those organs are used/full functional/etc is not the issue they are MADE(hardwired) for the purpose of procreation.

Seriously, pick up a biology book today. Infants have absolutely no sexual drive whatsoever.

But your theory would contradict your earlier stance that sexuality is a "choice". Infants can't make a choice.

you are confusing physical traits with pyschological traits. "homosexuality" requires sexual attraction. an infant is not capable of sexual attraction no matter what sex organ they have... so your argument not only has no merit, it is factually wrong.

HOMOsexuality is choice because it is not what the body is hardwired/designed for. Play semantics with the words all you want, but a male child is born with organs that are specifically used to procreate with females. That male child has a CHOICE to become a homosexual later on or follow his intended natural design.

No Im not, heterosexuals are born with physical manifestations of their intended sexuality, a penis is different from a vagina because it is made to naturally procreate with a vagina. A penis has nothing to do with "pyschological traits".

I realize the word "heterosexual" has various meanings but there is no other word to describe the difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals. I could use the word "NORMAL" but that would be insensitive.