I don't discount that there are elements of these texts that may contain historical facts. But you cannot use them as conclusive evidence of the existance of Jesus Christ. You need external confirmation from secular sources. There are a couple but as I said they are disputed as interpolations and mistaken identity. There are many who believe that Jesus Christ is pure myth.

If I'm right I won't ever know because dead is dead.

Part of me secretly hopes Vishnu is real so I can LOL at Christians in the afterlife when they realize how fucked they are.

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Ignore lists are for pussies. Bury your head in the sand like a little crybaby!

Ok now you are playing a game of words, you said "Jesus Christ" which of course there are many in this world who believe he is a myth as the Christ. :1orglaugh

Fact is you are very outnumbered, 55% of the world believe Jesus existed historically without a doubt(all Muslims and Christians) and 80% of Americans believe Jesus existed without a doubt.

Lol so let me get this straight you want a NON-religious text to mention a simple mad carpenter who was crucified at the request of his own people because of that persons religious practices?

The Romans WOULDNT document that, they were simply giving the Jews what the Jews wanted so the Jews would shut the fuck up about Jesus. Jesus was nothing more than a madman in their eyes.

You make no sense, Jesus didnt have much fame with non-Jews till right before his death and even then it was extremely localized. Your argument that they should document his life/death is weak.

I cant believe that me being here is just dumb luck and pure coincidence.

I consider myself to be scientific and logical and if you think about things in that way you realise there must be something else we just don't know about yet playing a part.

I know I'm outnumbered, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Nor those who agree with me.

Jesus supposedly performed great miracles. Here's a list:

MIRACLE SCRIPTURE PASSAGE
Turns water into wine John 2.1-11
Orders the wind and waves to be quiet Mark 4.35-41
Walks on water Matthew 14.22-33
With five loaves and two fishes, feeds a crowd of about 5,000 people Matthew 14.13-21
Raises Lazarus to life John 11.17-44
Raises a dead girl to life Matthew 9.18-26
Gives sight to a man born blind John 9.1-41
Cures the woman who had been bleeding for twelve years Matthew 9.20-22
Cures a man of evil spirits Mark 5.1-20
Heals ten men with leprosy Luke 17.11-19
Heals a crippled man Mark 2.1-12
Heals a man who was deaf and could hardly talk Mark 7.31-37
Heals the high priest’s servant after the man's ear is cut off Luke 22.49-52

He was passing himself off as the king of the jews. Jewish religious leaders of the time wanted him dead. He was not an ordinary citizen by any means and should have rated a mention.

Lol he was mentioned in the very books you just used as sources to cite his miracles. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Come on buddy show me a non-secular source for those miracles.

Look just because the Jews wrote about his "miracles" didnt mean the Romans believed it. Again the Romans REALLY thought Jesus was simply a mad man and actually took pity on him by offering to crucify a murderer instead. You give Jesus WAY too much credit for being important to the Romans. The Roman never thought for a second that Jesus would be remembered and worshipped for thousands of years. :1orglaugh

I never liked Ronald fucking McDonald.

If the new testament is the only evidence of the historical jesus then that aint much.

If I believe the bible there is no reason why I shouldn't believe every other religious text from every other religion as well.

This is the one thing I've never understood about BoyAlley. He loves to constantly reference the conservative rights intolerance towards the gay lifestyle. Yet, he displays just as much if not more intolerance and hate towards their beliefs.

Actually no like I said before the Quran mentions Jesus many times. I am not asking you to "believe" everything in the Bible or any other text, that is up to you to determine if you believe works of text like Wikipedia are false or truth. Obviously somewhere in the middle is more likely the truth.

I only believe something in wikipedia if it is referenced and backed up by other sources. The fact Jesus get a few mentions in the Quran just tells me that myths spread. The Quran paints a completely different picture of jesus than the new testament. You can believe one, the other or none. That doesn't change the fact that evidence of jesus historicity is poor.

hehe, BoyAlley. You should make up some shirts with that on it.

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I fucking triple dog dare you. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

How fitting, you do whine like a bitch on the rag.

How fitting, your next president is going to a bitch on the rag......

All I know is that when I'm humping my girl, she always asks for Jesus.
If that's not evidence of his existence I don't know what is.

100.....

I wonder which is much harder to believe, that Jesus really existed and devoted his life for the benefit of the others or that your not adopted by your parents?
Can you remember the time during your birth? Why did you believed everyone says your not adopted.

The answer is simple, follow your heart and not your playful mind.

Respect everyones religion is very important.
That's how we can keep peace in this sinful world.

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Um, sorry dude...that was Jesus (pronounced Hey-Zeus), and he exists alright, but he's the guy that mows your lawn, and bangs your wife while you're at work...

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Merry Easter,

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Oooooh, spelling with words..................does that make you a witch too :winkwink:

Just like to share this quote: "It's always better to believe that there is a God and die finding there is none than not to believe in any God and die finding he existed."

I believe our prayers go to same GOD but of course you cannot serve 2 masters, "MONEY" or "GOD". :winkwink: :winkwink: :winkwink:

watch some of the coverage on tv this weekend about president dipshit and going to church to celebrate jesus' rising from the tomb and shit and then tell me how we still have separation of church and state. we don't. don't get me started, i could go on forever about religion and politics. fucking losers.

Sorry I'm late to the thread, but I just wanted to point out a couple of major glaring flaws in the whole Jesus concept. First of all, there are records of a man named Jesus born in the area when Christianity's Jesus was born. The problem here is, there were dozens of them...Jesus was a very popular name at the time. Secondly, the story of Jesus is little different than that of Horus. There's also a "Messiah" about a century after Jesus with a very similar story (I don't remember the name). And finally, anyone who knows their history knows that the various holidays regarding Christianity were copied from older religions, which is a whole other ball of wax entirely. Why would we be looking at December 25th as the "birth of Christ" yet not a specific day in the year for the "death of Christ"? How does that make any sense at all? When we look at death records, they always mention a specific date, even for deaths that predate Jesus' supposed death. So why is it that no one knows his real date of death, but instead relates it to this one particular Sunday? Oh wait, that's right...because they needed an Ostare cover-up holiday. Shit man, I used to get in trouble for asking these logical questions as a kid. It's no wonder I grew up to detest religion when the people who trumpet this stuff can't even answer a simple question.

The plain and simple truth about much of Christianity is that it is in fact a somewhat eclectic mix of much earlier belife systems and mystery school teachings edited, altered and re-hashed by the church fathers as something that was "invented" with and by JC.

Happy good friday to you as well llol

The Dec 25th date was set up hundreds of years later by the Chruch. Pagans at the time celebrated a winter holiday. By saying Christ was born at that time it was easier to convert the pagans. Actually some guys already figured out that Jeuss was really born sometime in late march early April.

The reason why Easter changes is because the Jewish Passover holiday changes and Jesus died durring Passover. Rememebr Jesus and his first followers were Jewish. They didn't abandon their jewish traditions right away. Also different sect celebrate easter at different times. some do in fact have it on the same day each year.

But we do have separation - Bush is the anti-christ :thumbsup He's not celebrating it - he's getting ready for the matchup

Stupid idiots that believe in any religion deserve to shoot each other up and die like they have for thousands of years :1orglaugh

It also changes because Easter was originally a Pagan holiday celebrating the equinox and spring with remembrences to Ester or whoever the Goddess of Spring was at the time (many different spellings) - they also had a legend of a person named Attis or something like that in 200 BC that was supposedly dead and resurrected and it is from that story that the christian stories of jesus came from - finally around 300 ad the christians finally wrote the full story of jesus and resurrection and got rid of the pagan story entirely - its all just a bunch of BS that each religion makes up to suit their needs

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Oh sh*t my son mows our lawn.............that B*tch

Woohoo! Next holiday is homosexual soldier got murdered day on July 6th!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Winchell

you mean like the christians did during the crusades? or like during the spanish inquisition? how about the religions today that kill gay people, hundreds of innocent people who happen to be in the way when a single cartoonist makes a toon that offends their religious beliefs - oh, and don't forget killing women who want an education or wear western clothing.

yup, those are obviously religions worthy of respect... showing them respect will obviously give us world peace :disgust

jesus christ was a homosexual