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Lycanthrope 04-04-2007 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193395)
Oh thats right your the guy I spoke to about hosting over at Host head.
To bad I did go with another host for you they had a way better deal than yours by the way.
Oh and its dedicated rather than what you had to offer for twice as much!
1) You never spoke with me.
2) Glad you found a deal.
3) Doubtful, but congrats if that is the case

But, regardless of the deal you got, they are not responsible for your 2257.

GatorB 04-04-2007 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Sands (Post 12193410)
I hope that clears up a couple things. :thumbsup
You'd think, but I've had already simply explained these points to this retard a dozen times already.

esnem 04-04-2007 08:09 AM
Bloomer, you are a fucking idiot.

You should really get yourself a lawyer, or at least learn how to read.

Bloomer 04-04-2007 08:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193413)
This is obviously the mentality of this industry!
you people just dont quite understand that the UNITED STATES GOVERMENT DOES NOT WANT PORN VIA THE INTERNET!

They will be persistent in there efforts until they totally eliminate such things!

Also you have to realize that the system in the U.S.A. can be slow as fuck but they will eventually find a way to profit off of it before they blow that shit up!

The U.S. will drag it into the mud and back out into the open again and again until they get er done!

LOOK WHAT WE DO TO OTHER COUNTRIES!

Sands 04-04-2007 08:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12193430)
You'd think, but I've had already simply explained these points to this retard a dozen times already.
I know, but I felt obligated to post some actual text and highlight the relevant parts to ensure that anyone else who reads this thread has a clear (as possible) understanding of what 2257 is about. Now's not a time for misinformation, but rather a time to share ideas and resources on how those who are not compliant can become so (if they choose to).

GatorB 04-04-2007 08:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands (Post 12193454)
I know, but I felt obligated to post some actual text and highlight the relevant parts to ensure that anyone else who reads this thread has a clear (as possible) understanding of what 2257 is about. Now's not a time for misinformation, but rather a time to share ideas and resources on how those who are not compliant can become so (if they choose to).
Yes I understand and you color coded explaination is better than my attempts. It's frustrating when you are trying to help somone understand and they refuse to see what you are talking about.

DateDoc 04-04-2007 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193310)
its not a cartoon its the presentation of sexual explict acts it be in human form or not.

please try to think outside your little box.
OMG!! Dude seriously - an ID for a cartoon? Where would one get one?
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :upsidedow :upsidedow :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Bloomer 04-04-2007 08:22 AM
whatever people Im glad you can stick together on this and shoot the messenger :thumbsup

BANNED FROM THIS THREAD! Ha ...

Good one Im the one who started this fucking thread assmunch!

As far as highlighting certain things read back to where I urged people not to read what others on this thread wrote but rather form there own opinions from factual law!

Im glad you all band together hope you can all do that when they knock on your door and lock you up for being so fucking smart!

Youll need a good lawyer better buy one from other countries though cause I doubt anyone in this one would help out in any case like this if it ever went to trial!

Oh and to the hostfriaek out here I hope you like your boring job sitting in an office out there in cali playing around on GFY all day cause pretty soon all youll be hosting is crap!

GatorB 04-04-2007 08:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193445)
you people just dont quite understand that the UNITED STATES GOVERMENT DOES NOT WANT PORN VIA THE INTERNET!!
Not the government Bush and his Jesus freak followers. Just wait until if the GOP nominates that Mormon dude. Trust me if any of the DEM nomimees gets elected President the the "war on porn" will go away. They realize every man looking for pornographers to bust is one less man looking for a terrorist planning the next 9-11.

At any rate it doesn't matter if the government want sto stop internet porn. The 2257 rules doesn't give them carte blanche to bust porn sites that are all text or feature anime porn. If they did they'd lose in court and run the risk of getting the whole 2257 law overturned.

GatorB 04-04-2007 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193496)
As far as highlighting certain things read back to where I urged people not to read what others on this thread wrote but rather form there own opinions from factual law!
Um...Sands did show you the FACTUAL LAW. It was right from the actual code.

I swear right now some village is wondering where it's idiot wandered off to.

Sands 04-04-2007 08:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193496)
whatever people Im glad you can stick together on this and shoot the messenger :thumbsup

BANNED FROM THIS THREAD! Ha ...

Good one Im the one who started this fucking thread assmunch!

As far as highlighting certain things read back to where I urged people not to read what others on this thread wrote but rather form there own opinions from factual law!

Im glad you all band together hope you can all do that when they knock on your door and lock you up for being so fucking smart!

Youll need a good lawyer better buy one from other countries though cause I doubt anyone in this one would help out in any case like this if it ever went to trial!

Oh and to the hostfriaek out here I hope you like your boring job sitting in an office out there in cali playing around on GFY all day cause pretty soon all youll be hosting is crap!
Bloomer, it's very easy to shoot the messenger when his message is wrong. I understand the purpose of this thread, and it's cool that you're bringing attention to the 2257 situation, but you've been expressing gross misinterpretations of these regulations and quite frankly, given the sensitive nature and grave importance of the issue, it really cannot be tolerated. There are a lot of people who visit these forums, like myself, who are secondary producers, who are very worried about 2257, and who need factual and correct information that they can use to decide on their next course of action. Rather than turn this into a flame war, or let it degrade into a political diatribe against the US, maybe we should put forth a productive discussion so that the numerous readers will actually get something out of this thread rather than cheap entertainment.

KrisKross 04-04-2007 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193180)
Tell me where in the law book it says that you dont!
Whoa. Are you really that dense? Is the artist supposed to draw up little ID cards and model agreements with each set he draws?

The law clearly specifies "ACTUAL HUMAN BEING". Last time I checked, cartoons didn't fall in to that category. I'll check again, to be sure.

Bloomer 04-04-2007 08:36 AM
http://www.dcgiftshop.com/Product_Im...-Rod-Chase.jpg
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/haventoh...es/hh0050s.jpg
http://www.montefortefireworks.com/i...the%20Free.jpg
http://www.northernsun.com/images/thumb/1905BT.jpg
http://www.daubertontheweb.com/uploa...lag-737799.gif

KrisKross 04-04-2007 08:37 AM
Alright, I checked. Nothing has changed. Cartoons still aren't actual human beings. Sorry, Bloomer.

Bloomer 04-04-2007 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by KrisKross (Post 12193563)
Whoa. Are you really that dense? Is the artist supposed to draw up little ID cards and model agreements with each set he draws?

The law clearly specifies "ACTUAL HUMAN BEING". Last time I checked, cartoons didn't fall in to that category. I'll check again, to be sure.
Why dont you get a grip and realize that its impossible to produce documentation for fictional characters and thats not what Im saying here its about the presentation of sexually explicit content fictionally depicted or not !
Oh and take a long walk of a short water fall up there in NIARGRA!
http://www.guidesulysse.com/avo/cartes/Canada.jpg

GatorB 04-04-2007 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193601)
Why dont you get a grip and realize that its impossible to produce documentation for fictional characters and thats not what Im saying here its about the presentation of sexually explicit content fictionally depicted or not !
Um....

Originally Posted by GatorB
I think Bloomer fails to get this part. I supect Bloomer thinks you need 2257 docs for anime porn too.

Originally Posted by Bloomer
Tell me where in the law book it says that you dont!

Bloomer 04-04-2007 08:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12193639)
Um....

Originally Posted by GatorB
I think Bloomer fails to get this part. I supect Bloomer thinks you need 2257 docs for anime porn too.

Originally Posted by Bloomer
Tell me where in the law book it says that you dont!
http://dejavuofilme.tripod.com/dejavu.gif

Jack_Daniels 04-04-2007 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12193508)
Trust me if any of the DEM nomimees gets elected President the the "war on porn" will go away. They realize every man looking for pornographers to bust is one less man looking for a terrorist planning the next 9-11.
Not sure if this is completely true, but I would certainly hope so.

Hell, I even find it a little hard to believe that the Republicans have such totally ass backwards priorities.

GatorB 04-04-2007 09:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193673)

YOU=OWNED!!!

GatorB 04-04-2007 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack_Daniels (Post 12193678)
Not sure if this is completely true, but I would certainly hope so.

Hell, I even find it a little hard to believe that the Republicans have such totally ass backwards priorities.

From a 2005 article

"Bush administration stepping up obscenity prosecutions

Since 2001, 40 people and businesses have been convicted and 20 additional indictments are pending, said Andrew Oosterbaan, chief of the Justice Department's child exploitation and obscenity section. By comparison, there were four such prosecutions during the eight years of the Clinton administration, he said. "

JD 04-04-2007 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 12193142)
exactly. this thread is titled wrong... 2257 won't f*ck webmasters, lazy webmasters who don't follow THE LAW, who don't invest their time to organize their files correctly, who haven't spoken/retained an attorney that understands 2257, who haven't invested in software to help databbase the information, who don't pay attention to the legal responsibilities for presenting 'sexually explicit' images.......... are the ones that are f*cking themselves.

2257 is a "recordkeeping statue".. its intent is to ensure that minors are not used in adult content production, but its also a law for proper documentation of the ages of the performers.

It may seem silly to inspect images for content that is clearly over 18 (ie. granny model),. but the law is written to cover documentation of all images.

So it doesn't matter if you think its ridiculous that your content is clearly over 18 content and you shouldn't have to do the work necessary to be compliant.

All businesses have rules over them, whether they be general that apply to all like taxes to OSHA, etc... this industry happens to have a requirement for documentation in order to legally operate the business.

So compliance is not an option, it is a requirement for doing business. And for the 11+ years that this law has been on the books and those who have not been compliant, you are operating your business like operating a moonshine still during prohibition.

The sky is not falling. Only thing that will fall is the axe on the necks of webmasters who don't get their business compliant and get the luck of the draw to be inspected. And you are talking about a 5 year felony for failing to document.

Please take your business and your livelihood seriously and invest in both time and materials to address 2257 compliance.


Fight the wake-up call!
:thumbsup :thumbsup Exactly. but what about AFFILIATES... paysite owners sound have been compliant since day 1 but affiliates are the ones that are going to get the short end of the stick here...

edit: 100 sore corn holes

directfiesta 04-04-2007 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by knewon (Post 12192886)

My question is for non us citizens that host in the US...
If 2257 is not provided, could the hosting company be inspected for 2257?
Yes

Quote:
Originally Posted by knewon (Post 12192886)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the porn is hosted in the US even the webmasters are from out of the country.
No


NOTES:

If you are American ( or even foreigner ), living in the USA, host outside of the US , you still are liable for 2257.
You need to be 100&#37; out of the USA for 2257 to be non-relevant.
That tough doesn't allow you to publish just any stuff.
The laws of the country where you host and/r reside will apply, but you do not have to become a paper pusher and keeper. :2 cents:

Bloomer 04-04-2007 09:13 AM
DO ANY OF YOU PEOPLE OUT HERE FIND IT A LITTLE ODD THAT TWO OF THE MOST POPULATED AND WEALTHY COUNTRIES ON THIS PLANET SIMPLY DO NOT WANT PORN BROADCASTING OVER THE INTERNET?

http://www.census.gov/geo/www/mapGal...s/2k_night.jpg

Sands 04-04-2007 09:14 AM
I sincerely hope that sponsors see the situation for what it is, and the potential quagmire that a lot of their affiliates will be in if secondary producers will be required to be 2257 compliant. I know that there are some sponsors who already provide washed ID's and docs for their affiliates, but there are many that don't. I know that in the past month, I've emailed several of my sponsors asking if they would provide docs and ID's, and those that did reply told me to link to their 2257 page (which doesn't get me any closer to being compliant).

Could some sponsor/affiliate representatives who are reading this possibly make a few statements about whether or not they have some contingency plans? Are any of you willing to, or preparing to issue the necessary documents to your affiliates should they be required after May 1st? I'd really love to hear from them.

Bloomer 04-04-2007 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193759)
DO ANY OF YOU PEOPLE OUT HERE FIND IT A LITTLE ODD THAT TWO OF THE MOST POPULATED AND WEALTHY COUNTRIES ON THIS PLANET SIMPLY DO NOT WANT PORN BROADCASTING OVER THE INTERNET?

http://www.census.gov/geo/www/mapGal...s/2k_night.jpg
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middl...ulation_83.jpg

GatorB 04-04-2007 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Sands (Post 12193767)
I sincerely hope that sponsors see the situation for what it is, and the potential quagmire that a lot of their affiliates will be in if secondary producers will be required to be 2257 compliant. I know that there are some sponsors who already provide washed ID's and docs for their affiliates, but there are many that don't. I know that in the past month, I've emailed several of my sponsors asking if they would provide docs and ID's, and those that did reply told me to link to their 2257 page (which doesn't get me any closer to being compliant).

Could some sponsor/affiliate representatives who are reading this possibly make a few statements about whether or not they have some contingency plans? Are any of you willing to, or preparing to issue the necessary documents to your affiliates should they be required after May 1st? I'd really love to hear from them.
According to the law they HAVE to comply. If not the DOJ can simply have those in the US procecuted and those outside the US have the US banks and even Visa to stop doing business with them.

Regardless if they don't comply saying "My sponsor won't hand over the docs" is not an excuse. You will still be in trouble. So will your sponsor, but they have better lawyers.

Sands 04-04-2007 09:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193759)
DO ANY OF YOU PEOPLE OUT HERE FIND IT A LITTLE ODD THAT TWO OF THE MOST POPULATED AND WEALTHY COUNTRIES ON THIS PLANET SIMPLY DO NOT WANT PORN BROADCASTING OVER THE INTERNET?
Grow up. Yes, America has a conservative administration. Yes, conservatives are against porn. Same shit, different day. You're inflating 2257 into some exaggerated, conspiracy-theory proportion. 2257 does not directly stop the publishing of adult material. It is, for all stated intents and purposes, a regulation in order to ensure that there are no underaged models. Does it make it harder for US webmasters and producers? Yes. Will it even come remotely close to stopping the flow of pornography from US webmasters and producers? I seriously doubt it.

MrPinks 04-04-2007 09:22 AM
I think that based on the way the law is going, all sponsors should provide the docs. It's that simple. If they provided us with the docs, there wouldn't be a problem. It is the only solution that will work.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands (Post 12193767)
I sincerely hope that sponsors see the situation for what it is, and the potential quagmire that a lot of their affiliates will be in if secondary producers will be required to be 2257 compliant. I know that there are some sponsors who already provide washed ID's and docs for their affiliates, but there are many that don't. I know that in the past month, I've emailed several of my sponsors asking if they would provide docs and ID's, and those that did reply told me to link to their 2257 page (which doesn't get me any closer to being compliant).

Could some sponsor/affiliate representatives who are reading this possibly make a few statements about whether or not they have some contingency plans? Are any of you willing to, or preparing to issue the necessary documents to your affiliates should they be required after May 1st? I'd really love to hear from them.

Bloomer 04-04-2007 09:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12193699)
YOU=OWNED!!!
Sorry Im not Owned by you or anyone else thanks you can suck the shit out of my sneakers!

I tried to play nice and you kept up your shit now you will know what it is like to be OWNED you worthless tooth paste dispenser for hookers Down on 42cd st in the heat of the night on the 6th of june on a summers night in the town of misery!

I just took some really good ACID!

stickyfingerz 04-04-2007 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12192827)
running an adult website is hosting actual content.
As usual you are retarded.

http://www.komix.it/img/ico/ChickenLittle.jpg

Sands 04-04-2007 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12193784)
According to the law they HAVE to comply. If not the DOJ can simply have those in the US procecuted and those outside the US have the US banks and even Visa to stop doing business with them.

Regardless if they don't comply saying "My sponsor won't hand over the docs" is not an excuse. You will still be in trouble. So will your sponsor, but they have better lawyers.
Sure, I understand that part. This is compulsory, and there are no excuses. I'm just curious if any sponsors or affiliate reps will comment or talk about what they're doing in anticipation of an unfortunate ruling come May 1st, if they are doing anything at all; not for their own sake, but for the sake of their affiliates, preferably in the form of issuing ID's and docs.

GatorB 04-04-2007 09:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193802)
Sorry Im not Owned by you or anyone else thanks you can suck the shit out of my sneakers!

I tried to play nice and you kept up your shit !
YOU started shit. You said something retarded. You were called out. Instead of taking it like a man and admitting you were wrong you act like a little bitch.
By the way don't try hotlinking pics hosted by tripod, dipshit.

GatorB 04-04-2007 09:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands (Post 12193817)
Sure, I understand that part. This is compulsory, and there are no excuses. I'm just curious if any sponsors or affiliate reps will comment or talk about what they're doing in anticipation of an unfortunate ruling come May 1st, if they are doing anything at all; not for their own sake, but for the sake of their affiliates, preferably in the form of issuing ID's and docs.

I suggest e-mailing them or calling them directly.

pornguy 04-04-2007 09:27 AM
It does not mean that you are getting fucked, It means that you will have to work a little harder

Sands 04-04-2007 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPinks (Post 12193799)
I think that based on the way the law is going, all sponsors should provide the docs. It's that simple. If they provided us with the docs, there wouldn't be a problem. It is the only solution that will work.
I think so too. I'd feel much more comfortable actually hearing (seeing) them say it. It'd also be nice to know if they're actively preparing as we speak, or if they're taking a wait and see approach (just in case I have to pull images and video from my site and wait).

I'm not exactly expecting them to show up one by one in this thread and sound off with their plans and preparations regarding the issue. It'd probably be more fruitful for them to email their affiliates rather than post on a message board. Still, it'd be good to have some sponsors in on this conversation.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB
I suggest e-mailing them or calling them directly.
Suggestion noted.

Bloomer 04-04-2007 09:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12193823)
YOU started shit. You said something retarded. You were called out. Instead of taking it like a man and admitting you were wrong you act like a little bitch.
By the way don't try hotlinking pics hosted by tripod, dipshit.
Again read back to the point of where I said I didnt want to argue with you assmunch and read what I wrote the eat shit and bark at the moon!

Bloomer 04-04-2007 09:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12193810)
Yes and do you have all that stuff of yours sorted out with that black and white yet?

Why dont you hold your dual monitors close and pray!

GatorB 04-04-2007 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloomer (Post 12193877)
Again read back to the point of where I said I didnt want to argue with you !
Then stop and quit trying to prove you need IDs for cartoons. The only one disagreeing with anything I've said IS YOU. Considering you lack of knowledge on this topic well..........

MrPinks 04-04-2007 09:38 AM
I don't expect most sponsors to do anything. Typical. This wouldn't be such a problem if they were working on this months ago. Provide us with sanitized docs.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands (Post 12193850)
I think so too. I'd feel much more comfortable actually hearing (seeing) them say it. It'd also be nice to know if they're actively preparing as we speak, or if they're taking a wait and see approach (just in case I have to pull images and video from my site and wait).

I'm not exactly expecting them to show up one by one in this thread and sound off with their plans and preparations regarding the issue. It'd probably be more fruitful for them to email their affiliates rather than post on a message board. Still, it'd be good to have some sponsors in on this conversation.



Suggestion noted.

Bloomer 04-04-2007 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 12193895)
Then stop and quit trying to prove you need IDs for cartoons. The only one disagreeing with anything I've said IS YOU. Considering you lack of knowledge on this topic well..........
let me ask you a question?
Do you know who I am?


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