Recruiting girls at shows..... - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

AaronM · 04-04-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JMM

So lets see. You know nothing about me yet I am an asshole who approaches random girls at shows now?

For the record, I have never approached a girl at a show, but thanks for your keen business insight. Now, would you like to retract that statement or are you going to stand by it and look foolish?

Am I to assume that every girl you have ever approached to model was not, at the time, doing any modeling for anyone else?

I was not referring to girls with solo sites who are under contract with another company. In that regard, I agree with you. However, MOST of the models at shows are just models and not under any type of exclusive or even semi-exclusive contract with anyone so there is NOTHING WRONG with handing them your business card. If you truly cared about any of the girls you shoot, you would want them to be successful in their careers.

Oh, and since we are making brilliant business decisions based on a couple of lines posted on a message board, I send THOUSANDS of dollars in joins to teenrevenue. I guess I should stop doing that now.

NOTE TO SELF: Cut Aaron M some slack because you know that he is smarter than his last post.

Am I supposed to back off you now because you send traffic to TR?

I'm talking about RECRUITING girls from shows. Not shooting models who are openly available. There is a big difference.

I'm not about to retract any statement I've made in this thread for you or anybody else.

And I do know something about you.....You think it's OK to recruit girls from within the industry to model and be pushy about it when told no. How do I know this? Because that's what I'm complaining about and here you are arguing with me about it. That makes you an asshole in my book, no matter how much traffic you have. If you have a problem with my opinions and feel that I am hurting TeenRevenue by posting them then feel free to contact Paolo and cry to him about it directly. Then ask him if you can talk to his girlfriend about modeling and let me know how that goes over. Until then you can eat a bag of shit as far as I am concerned.....

JMM · 04-04-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Am I supposed to back off you now because you send traffic to TR?

I'm talking about RECRUITING girls from shows. Not shooting models who are openly available. There is a big difference.

I'm not about to retract any statement I've made in this thread for you or anybody else.

And I do know something about you.....You think it's OK to recruit girls from within the industry to model and be pushy about it when told no. How do I know this? Because that's what I'm complaining about and here you are arguing with me about it. That makes you an asshole in my book, no matter how much traffic you have. If you have a problem with my opinions and feel that I am hurting TeenRevenue by posting them then feel free to contact Paolo and cry to him about it directly. Then ask him if you can talk to his girlfriend about modeling and let me know how that goes over. Until then you can eat a bag of shit as far as I am concerned.....

Brilliant post, just brilliant.

Where in your original post did it say ANYTHING about being pushy? Show it to me. It doesn't.

OK, I see now that an intelligent conversation is futile. If you think you can simply bully, go ahead. You don't have the credentials to make a difference.

Anyone who does not want to do business with me because Aaron M said so, please don't. If we are already doing business please ICQ me or email me and I will promptly close your account and send you your final payout.

Have a nice day Aaron doing whatever it is that you do.

BrettJ · 04-04-2007, 12:37 PM

my 2 cents for what they are worth... if you see a girl with a badge ... read the company name that is under and go directly to the source and ask them first if they would have a problem with you talking to the girl about shooting with you.

There are plenty of situations where a girl was hired as "booth talent" / "eye candy" ... maybe she is / maybe she isn't in the industry but depending on the work ... might be interested. It's a win - win. the company that hired her will look even better in her eyes by getting her some additional work after the show and you've found a model that after having hung out together you know you can work with easily.

boneprone · 04-04-2007, 01:45 PM

Dank has herpes...

His medicaid wont pay for Valtrex anymore as of 1/1/07

He has been forced to use Acyclivir instead. But its not as effective..

boneprone · 04-04-2007, 01:46 PM

whoops.. wrong thread....

Shakula · 04-04-2007, 01:54 PM

Aron, dont you have a weightloss class to attend?

porno jew · 04-04-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shakula

Aron, dont you have a weightloss class to attend?

stfu terrorist.

MaDalton · 04-04-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BrettJ

my 2 cents for what they are worth... if you see a girl with a badge ... read the company name that is under and go directly to the source and ask them first if they would have a problem with you talking to the girl about shooting with you.

There are plenty of situations where a girl was hired as "booth talent" / "eye candy" ... maybe she is / maybe she isn't in the industry but depending on the work ... might be interested. It's a win - win. the company that hired her will look even better in her eyes by getting her some additional work after the show and you've found a model that after having hung out together you know you can work with easily.

the voice of reason...

RudeBoy · 04-04-2007, 02:34 PM

lol someone is trying to be moral in the adult industry

uno · 04-04-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

the voice of reason...

Wow, Brett isn't usually accused of being a voice of reason.

AaronM · 04-04-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JMM

Brilliant post, just brilliant.

Where in your original post did it say ANYTHING about being pushy? Show it to me. It doesn't.

OK, I see now that an intelligent conversation is futile. If you think you can simply bully, go ahead. You don't have the credentials to make a difference.

Anyone who does not want to do business with me because Aaron M said so, please don't. If we are already doing business please ICQ me or email me and I will promptly close your account and send you your final payout.

Have a nice day Aaron doing whatever it is that you do.

I'm sorry...I was under the impression that you have been reading this thread and keeping up with the conversation. Clearly I was mistaken.

How about if you just shut the fuck up?

Thank you for playing.

baddog · 04-04-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rotowa85

why shouldnt you try and recruit models from other companies, i mean business is business and trying to steal the other comapanies workforce is just something that happend in business, and i dont see why the world of the adult webmaster should be any different. im not a webmaster as yet nut i do have girls who work for me, and as far as im concernede if someone else tries to recruit them which has happened then as far as im concerned if the girl want to go then ill generally be glad to see the back of them cos i dont really wanna deal with ppl who have no loyalty. plus if your smart enuf to have ya girls under a contract you shouldnt have to worry bout this shit anyway

You edited this post. Was it to clean up your spelling and grammar?

JMM · 04-04-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I'm sorry...I was under the impression that you have been reading this thread and keeping up with the conversation. Clearly I was mistaken.

How about if you just shut the fuck up?

Thank you for playing.

Don't speak to me that way, you haven't earned the right.

baddog · 04-04-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Dank has herpes...

His medicaid wont pay for Valtrex anymore as of 1/1/07

He has been forced to use Acyclivir instead. But its not as effective..

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Originally Posted by boneprone

whoops.. wrong thread....

AaronM · 04-04-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JMM

Don't speak to me that way, you haven't earned the right.

I have the right to speak to you in any way I choose. I'm a rude American, you communist bastard.

HeadPimp · 04-04-2007, 03:15 PM

Aaron??? Are you forgetting that this business if rife with ass-hats?

AaronM · 04-04-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadPimp

Aaron??? Are you forgetting that this business if rife with ass-hats?

LOL...Nope. Just making sure that they all see my sig.

AmeliaG · 04-04-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Rule number 1:

If the girl has a badge and you try to recruit her, you should be promptly kicked in the balls, ejected from the show, and banned from returning to the event in following years.

Rule number 2: Hotel staff and locals are always in season.

Back to rule number 1......

Either she's already a model or she's not content. Who the fuck are you to try to recruit a girl who is already involved with another company in any capacity?

Shooting a model is one thing..But I'm talking about trying to recruit a girl to "your team."

Your thoughts?

A-Fucking-Men!

I'm sick to death of people assuming I'm content and tuning out me talking business.

I wouldn't even ask to shoot one content set of a girl someone else had brought, without going through that person. And I kind of expect the same courtesy. Party snapshots are great, but come-to-my-hotel-room-and-get-naked is not. If it is something everyone is cool with, there are some great cross-promo opportunities available via shooting each other's talent, but that can't be achieved by going behind the back of the person who bought the girl's badge.

I've had people badger the hell out of girls I brought to shows, even when the girls were telling guys that they were under contract and wouldn't model for them if they were the last photog on earth. It double sucks when people do that because it makes me (and everyone else) way less likely to bring talent to shows.

JP-pornshooter · 04-04-2007, 04:07 PM

wow this thread is quite serious..perhaps there are two sides to this.. one is a girl in the industry (but who never did any modeling, perhaps she is with her boyfriend who is a webmaster): Yes you can recruit, but you will be considered a cheesy frog dick pervert..
Second scenario, she is a model, at the show on someone else dime.. she is free game.. just like any programmer, photographer, business exec etc is always free game. if she happens to be on a contract, there are ways of buying out of a contract or to wait to the contract expires.

AmeliaG · 04-04-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BrettJ

my 2 cents for what they are worth... if you see a girl with a badge ... read the company name that is under and go directly to the source and ask them first if they would have a problem with you talking to the girl about shooting with you.

There are plenty of situations where a girl was hired as "booth talent" / "eye candy" ... maybe she is / maybe she isn't in the industry but depending on the work ... might be interested. It's a win - win. the company that hired her will look even better in her eyes by getting her some additional work after the show and you've found a model that after having hung out together you know you can work with easily.

Exactly

MissMina · 04-04-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Okay, let's spin this around...

Say a program sponsors a photographer or affiliate to a show - you are saying that they are forbidden from conducting business under the same terms as models, if they are freelancers?

To me, if you are under contract, you are off-limits, if you are a freelancer, you are open game (with that said, I have never personally recruited "workers" at industry shows, since I already know how to find talent myself - what I look for at shows are b2b networking opportunities).

Sorry to break it to you, but that is how it is in mainstream too. It used to kill me training people for years about the intricacies of a business only to have them "stolen" away by a competitor, but that is what happens sometimes.

I appreciate loyalty as much as the next person, and always tried to instill it in my people (because I personally value loyalty, and am loyal to those I conduct business with consistently), but in a free market, I also understand the hard cold realities.

People are not property. If you do not hold them close, make them feel inexpendable (and reward them accordingly), or worse - lose touch with their wants and needs...they will walk.

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Good post!!

Screaming · 04-04-2007, 04:39 PM

kinda tough to recruit someone who is already in the biz i think

JMM · 04-04-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Exactly

Please. Lets get real. There is a big difference between hounding someone and simply handing them a business card. If someone is hounding someone, for any reason, then yea, that is over the line. That really has nothing to do with why they are there, or who they are there with, thats just common courtesy.

However, I don't care who paid for the ticket, or the badge, or the hotel room. Nobody is anybody else's property. There is nothing wrong with handing someone a business card and asking them to call you if they are interested in work. That applies to models, affiliate reps, whatever. If they are under contract then they are under contract and there are legal remedies should those contracts be breeched. But if there is no contract, no income guarantee, no understanding of exclusivity, than everyone has a right to do what is best for themselves.

My employees attend shows and walk the floor freely. I take very good care of the people who work for me so I am not concerned that they will jump ship but if someone wants to talk to them, talk away. As human beings, and adults, they are free to speak with whoever they want. If someone makes them a better offer, well good for them, they are free to take it.

Some of you think that simply because someone takes their clothes off for a living they are second class citizens. Pathetic.

There are so many in this business that are really clueless when it comes to any type of business skills/knowledge.

The stories I could tell.

Digipimp · 04-04-2007, 06:10 PM

isnt it kind of pimp like to think that a girl belongs to someone. if she's talking and doesnt walk away then shes fair game. if you have to chase her down or hound her, thats just doing shitty business, but its your right.

AmeliaG · 04-04-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JMM

Please. Lets get real. There is a big difference between hounding someone and simply handing them a business card. If someone is hounding someone, for any reason, then yea, that is over the line. That really has nothing to do with why they are there, or who they are there with, thats just common courtesy.

However, I don't care who paid for the ticket, or the badge, or the hotel room. Nobody is anybody else's property. There is nothing wrong with handing someone a business card and asking them to call you if they are interested in work. That applies to models, affiliate reps, whatever. If they are under contract then they are under contract and there are legal remedies should those contracts be breeched. But if there is no contract, no income guarantee, no understanding of exclusivity, than everyone has a right to do what is best for themselves.

My employees attend shows and walk the floor freely. I take very good care of the people who work for me so I am not concerned that they will jump ship but if someone wants to talk to them, talk away. As human beings, and adults, they are free to speak with whoever they want. If someone makes them a better offer, well good for them, they are free to take it.

Some of you think that simply because someone takes their clothes off for a living they are second class citizens. Pathetic.

There are so many in this business that are really clueless when it comes to any type of business skills/knowledge.

The stories I could tell.

You replied to where I agreed with Brett, but not to my actual post. Did you read what I wrote? Or did you skip it because it was written by a chick and aren't they all talent and second class citizens or something?

How many people do you generally bring with you or send to a show?

JMM · 04-04-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

You replied to where I agreed with Brett, but not to my actual post. Did you read what I wrote? Or did you skip it because it was written by a chick and aren't they all talent and second class citizens or something?

How many people do you generally bring with you or send to a show?

My response was to the ongoing conversation. Please read it again. You might also want to read all the posts that I have made where I state without question that the "chicks" and "talent" are human beings and not someones property. As such, I don't feel a need to ask someones "boss" if I am allowed to talk to that person.

Again, for the last time, hounding someone, regardless of the situation, is OF COURSE over the line. Talking to someone, handing them a business card, letting them know you would love to speak with them further should the opportunity present itself, is nobody's business except the TWO ADULTS in the conversation.

Phoenix Forum I had my key employee there, all by himself, like the big boy that he is, he can handle himself just fine. He is a valuable asset to me and my company and many people know this and I am certain conversations took place. I take very good care of him, however should a better opportunity present itself I would wish him well. Would I be upset at losing him? You bet, but I would move on, no hard feelings to any of the parties involved.

AVN, there were 4. Again, all adults who can think and make decisions for themselves.

nnweb · 04-04-2007, 08:13 PM

I don't see anything wrong with making models or even employees offers. its business.

wtfent · 04-04-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Rule number 1:

If the girl has a badge and you try to recruit her, you should be promptly kicked in the balls, ejected from the show, and banned from returning to the event in following years.

Rule number 2: Hotel staff and locals are always in season.

Back to rule number 1......

Either she's already a model or she's not content. Who the fuck are you to try to recruit a girl who is already involved with another company in any capacity?

Shooting a model is one thing..But I'm talking about trying to recruit a girl to "your team."

Your thoughts?

If you have something better to offer them and you think they could put more dough in your pocket then go for it but not if its going to mess up any good business relationships.

Alky · 04-05-2007, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

You replied to where I agreed with Brett, but not to my actual post. Did you read what I wrote? Or did you skip it because it was written by a chick and aren't they all talent and second class citizens or something?

How many people do you generally bring with you or send to a show?

I hate to bump this thread .. but I had to ask this..

You are saying that people who approach models are treating them as "second class citizens." But on the other hand, going to their employers would make them... what? First Class Citizens? ... which is more important? Seems a little backwards to me.

This whole female discrimination thing you brought into this thread is a little twisted.

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04-04-2007, 12:37 PM	#53
BrettJ ol' timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 4,715	my 2 cents for what they are worth... if you see a girl with a badge ... read the company name that is under and go directly to the source and ask them first if they would have a problem with you talking to the girl about shooting with you. There are plenty of situations where a girl was hired as "booth talent" / "eye candy" ... maybe she is / maybe she isn't in the industry but depending on the work ... might be interested. It's a win - win. the company that hired her will look even better in her eyes by getting her some additional work after the show and you've found a model that after having hung out together you know you can work with easily.

04-04-2007, 01:54 PM	#56
Shakula So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 948	Aron, dont you have a weightloss class to attend?

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HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	Aaron??? Are you forgetting that this business if rife with ass-hats?

04-04-2007, 04:07 PM	#69
JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	wow this thread is quite serious..perhaps there are two sides to this.. one is a girl in the industry (but who never did any modeling, perhaps she is with her boyfriend who is a webmaster): Yes you can recruit, but you will be considered a cheesy frog dick pervert.. Second scenario, she is a model, at the show on someone else dime.. she is free game.. just like any programmer, photographer, business exec etc is always free game. if she happens to be on a contract, there are ways of buying out of a contract or to wait to the contract expires.

04-04-2007, 08:13 PM	#77
nnweb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: OC Posts: 720	I don't see anything wrong with making models or even employees offers. its business.