Stuart Lawley is extremely disappointed by the Board's action today and will.....

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

He is not gonna give up...

We are extremely disappointed by the Board's action today. It is not supportable for any of the reasons articulated by the Board, ignores the rules ICANN itself adopted for the RFP, and makes a mockery of ICANN's ByLaws prohibition of unjustifiable discriminatory treatment. Not least to protect the integrity of the ICANN process, ICM Registry will pursue this matter energetically.

Stuart Lawley
President

http://www.icmregistry.com/press.html

[seeric]

Yeah, antagonizing the people you want to approve something always works.

Bye bye Stuart.

He can't pursue anything. His boat is full of holes. ICANN said that IFFOR would not be allowed to monitor the community and that they will not do it either. There are so many things that they are not going to budge on and that he can't bandaid.

Maybe he should propose .kids like we all know will work. oh wait, you can't rob, I mean charge 75 bucks for .kids names.

Haha.

[Tom_PM]

He can kiss our collective asses energetically too.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Ding dong the sTLD is dead, ding dong it is dead

[vvq]

.kids would just make too much sense.

[LadyB]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

He can kiss our collective asses energetically too.

lol yes he certainly can!

[pornguy]

Why dont we get together and propose a .kids.

Anyone know what it takes?

[Turf]

Originally Posted by vvq

.kids would just make too much sense.

yep, think thats the reason no one is in a hurry to get it up and running..

[seeric]

i think he will try to bring it back, but based on the boards continued position and inability to budge on the merits of the proposal, i'd say that it will end up the same.

one thing that i really appreciated was that they recognized "CONSIDERABLE OPPOSITION" within the sponsored community that stuart was so happy to speak for. That shows me that they do in fact have people reading message boards and we did in fact make an impact on the final outcome of the decision. They do pay attention, and if it comes back, we will be right there again to drum up the support. I will never let my guard down, if it is not .xxx there will be some other opportunist with $ signs in his or her eyes that will crosshair us as easy targets. This is the most unity I've ever seen in adult. I am happily surprised.


Fuck I just realized I could be poisoned or shot in Phoenix. Haha.

[JFK]

I think this is going to go on till we are all old and gray

[seeric]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Why dont we get together and propose a .kids.

Anyone know what it takes?

funny you should say that. the owners of shanes world and i have talked to this, and i've gone into detail about how it will be effective, and we think someone should do exactly that.

[LadyMischief]

In other words "Oh boy, I'm gonna lose all that money I bullshitted and finagled people to give me to do this thing. Better do something quick."

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

one thing that i really appreciated was that they recognized "CONSIDERABLE OPPOSITION" within the sponsored community that stuart was so happy to speak for. That shows me that they do in fact have people reading message boards and we did in fact make an impact on the final outcome of the decision..

I'd like to think the poll I made on here and the chats I had with my contacts at icann play a roll in that

[Tom_PM]

.kids would be ideal. Just like you build a playground to protect kids from the outside world. You make .kids, and mighty all powerful Microsoft gets all kinds of HUGE good PR by causing all new and pre-installed systems ask if this will be used by a child on the internet, and then simply blocks everything but .kids.

Companies with child friendly websites will LOVE it and be pro-active in making their .kids domains which will be seen by more of their target market than ever before. Imagine how great cnn.kids could be? Kids news, kids links, etc etc etc.

And it cannot be mandatory or it runs into the same argument about regulating content, but thats ok because .kids would be accepted energetically.

[drjones]

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

In other words "Oh boy, I'm gonna lose all that money I bullshitted and finagled people to give me to do this thing. Better do something quick."

That sounds about right.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

I'd like to think the poll I made on here and the chats I had with my contacts at icann play a roll in that

I would agree that it surely did. Everyone who posted to the ICANN forum, sent emails to congressmen and legistators, sent thread links to board members, emailed affiliate databases and got active are due my respect and appreciation.

I'm still not gonna celebrate, theres always going to be something, but at least we've stopped him from buying ferraris and houses with our money for quite some time and hopefully indefinitely.

[wizhard]

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

He is not gonna give up...



http://www.icmregistry.com/press.html

The phrase HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA springs to mind

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

we've stopped him from buying ferraris and houses with our money for quite some time and hopefully indefinitely.

More Ferraris for us

[crockett]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

funny you should say that. the owners of shanes world and i have talked to this, and i've gone into detail about how it will be effective, and we think someone should do exactly that.

I've said the same thing.. Even if all the porn on the Internet was pushed to .xxx by some magical fairy. Would the Internet still be a safe place for kids? Hell no it wouldn't.

I've always said if you want to make the Internet a safe place for kids, then you need top make a separate playground for them. No parent would let their kid play on a highway full of traffic. So why do they think it's ok to let them play on the information super highway?

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

This Susan Crawford lady is something else... She really wants .xxx and I think she is gonna do everything she can to help this eventually be approved

[germ]

i love the .kids idea.

someone needs to get on that ASAP.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by wizhard

The phrase HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA springs to mind

[Nodtveidt]

I am a strong supporter of the .kids idea. Wouldn't it be highly ironic that we, the adult community, had this successfully pushed through ICANN. Although actually, it would make sense...only we know the best ways to protect children from unwanted content online...we're usually the ones who make it! :D

[Tom_PM]

Exactly We are the ideal party to propose and get it passed. After all the vilification, the fact is that the ONLY people we want on adult sites are CREDIT CARD CARRYING ADULTS! Duh! lol

[woj]

[ owned pic ]

[FetishWeb]

This .kids thing is a joke, you people are delusional.

How long will it take for hysterical religious zealots to spin it into "pornographers and pedos want to make a specialized extention so they can victimize children!".

That actually sounds plausible to the most basic of idiots, religious or not.

[Nodtveidt]

I checked out the reasoning behind .kids' defeat and realized that it was little different than .xxx. Not only was it to be basically hogged by a shithead corporation with vested interest, but ICANN was going to end up being the police of the matter. Freedom of speech issues were brought up as well, but I think that the protection of children should have a slightly higher priority. Yes, content management would be a problem, but there would be plenty of people willing to do the job (I would gladly lend a hand in both helping write policy as well as auditing sites). Commercial exploitation seemed to be a major issue, and I can certainly understand why...looks like the domains were going to be expensive here too, and the idea was backed by manufacturers of various products who could easily shove their crap in the faces of young kids who don't know any better, and parents who are blind sheep. Now, if it was to get the backing from a company or companies with no interest in pimping unnecessary products, therefore perverting the minds of the young, I think it might stand a chance. And ironically, who better than US? The adult industry in NO WAY will be pimping any of its products to children, and .kids will remain free of commercial exploitation. It's a strange relationship, but one that would definately work. Whaddya say, everyone?

[Nodtveidt]

Originally Posted by FetishWeb

How long will it take for hysterical religious zealots to spin it into "pornographers and pedos want to make a specialized extention so they can victimize children!".

That, I think, is the only real problem with the idea of a working .kids. It may in fact make it easier to find potential prey for internet predators.

[Profits of Doom]

Originally Posted by crockett

I've said the same thing.. Even if all the porn on the Internet was pushed to .xxx by some magical fairy. Would the Internet still be a safe place for kids? Hell no it wouldn't.

I've always said if you want to make the Internet a safe place for kids, then you need top make a separate playground for them. No parent would let their kid play on a highway full of traffic. So why do they think it's ok to let them play on the information super highway?

That's the best explanation I've seen on this so far. I love how people always want to "make things safe for the kids" instead of doing their jobs as parents and monitoring their activities. But I guess it's a lot easier to toss them in their rooms with cable tv and internet access as a babysitter than to actually pay attention to them. We as adults should suffer so they as parents don't have to be inconvenienced by their kids...

[Nodtveidt]

Well, as a parent, I always do what's best for my little girl. But unfortunately, the vast majority of parents can't be bothered to do jack shit for their kids. Although it's not our place, we can definately help the future generations by pointing them in the right direction, and picking up the slack where their idiot-fuck parents left off. If you think about it, it's not a bad racket, and if you can look past the dollar signs in your eyes, you could be helping the next generation, the ones who could be in charge of the nursing homes we end up in, to be better people.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Why dont we get together and propose a .kids.

Anyone know what it takes?

Apparently it was tried in the past and no support was shown for that either.

[Nodtveidt]

Originally Posted by baddog

Apparently it was tried in the past and no support was shown for that either.

It wasn't presented correctly, or by the correct people. It would have turned into a sloshpit of advertising and bullshit, with ICANN left to pick up the tab on content management. It needs to be backed by the right people, for the right reasons, with the right content managers, and with the voices of the young people in the thick of it all. Then it might go through.

[Sysgenix]

I think the best thing in the minutes that I have listened to brought up by most of the board members of ICANN, was the amount of opposition received by the same community that Mr. English was toughting as wanting this TLD. I think this opposition will sway this idea away every single time.

Now other opinion:
Were there large interest from programs that are in the top tier to have this approved? Ask yourself that.
I think there was. And we will never know who it is.

[mattz]

lol thats pretty funny

[seeric]

if i pool together some resources, who would be down to support .kids

[split_joel]

This is a great victory but lets be smart about this, it is not over. We all must continue to let people know how we feel about .xxx so nothing like this ever happends again.

Remeber, just like laws of the US one day a new law is brought up and its not accepted but 2 years later the same law is brought up and becomes offical.

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

if i pool together some resources, who would be down to support .kids

[SinisterStudios]

Na na na na, Na na na na, Hey Hey, Goodbye! .XXX

a big to Stuart Lawley

[MrPinks]

I would like to help make it a reality

Not sure how well I could contribute and in what way, but I would like to help.

Originally Posted by A1R3K

if i pool together some resources, who would be down to support .kids

[Nodtveidt]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

if i pool together some resources, who would be down to support .kids

I'm down with the plan. I don't think it would be hard to garner considerable support for it if it's assembled correctly this time. I would suggest a forum be created that could be a soapbox for anyone for or against the idea, and from that, maybe policy ideas could be brought forth, and a solid plan could be developed. Just throwing some ideas out here. I'll gladly help with policy and lend a hand with content auditing.

[SmokeyTheBear]

I think there are millions pf people who would like a .kids domain..

as a parent , i dont let my children surf the internet unless i am manning the controls. If they need something , i download it , and network it to them.

I would like to let my children have the freedom to surf the nternet alone , but it just isnt possible.

With a .kids it would be very possible.

The biggest problem is "who is in charge of monioring content" this isnt just a "porn" question but also religion , morals, etc.

I think this would be a great "test-bed" for great internet filtering..

Because every country has different opinions on what would be appropriate for children to view the easiest way to deal with this problem is to encorporate that into filtering..

So the .kids in itself wouldnt do the monitoring parent would still have to control the filtering software themselves but it solves a huge battle.

So in essence in order to establish what is appropriate for .kids for each country would be up to that country to write laws based just on .kids

So as a parent i would simply turn on the .kids filter that would only let my kids view .kids domain , then i would apply my "country" filter to only those countries who's views i agree with and those countries that vigorously prosecute offendes who abuse the .kids extension.

In order to get a .kids domain you would need to register in your local country so prosecution wouldnt be hard.

So lets say i live in greece , i would only allow my kids to view .kids domains in greece, if there was ever a problem with content on any of the sites, it wouldnt be so hard for police to do something about it.

[Nodtveidt]

I thought about the country-specific details of it as well. That, of course, introduces a whole new level of work, and a large amount of auditors from each country supporting the TLD. Of course, if we really give a shit about our children, that's a workload we should be willing to take on.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Sysgenix

Now other opinion:
Were there large interest from programs that are in the top tier to have this approved? Ask yourself that.
I think there was. And we will never know who it is.

ofcourse there were, we'd be stupid to think otherwise. There were Adult companies positioning themselves to take advantage of .xxx and in full support of .xxx. Don't dissillusion yourselves.