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StarkReality · 03-13-2007, 07:49 PM

It makes me sick !

Why are so many programs counting second page uniques and shit like this ? I'd rather see a real 1:2000 raw instead of a bogus 1:200 with totally useless and incomplete referrer stats. There are several huge programs using this second page unique count, I won't call names, but if you count your own outgoing hits, it isn't rocket science to figure out who messes with your clicks.

Why are 70% of my visitors unique according to server stats but no sponsor comes even close to this % when looking at my stats ?

Why do some sponsors count webmaster signups and surfer signups to calculate overall conversions, but webmaster clicks aren't counted ?

Yes, there is alot of competition and apparently conversion rates are a holy cow. I never cared for other people's conversions, but apparently many webmaster do. It becomes more and more ridiculous, and it's not just a few programs.

To some extend, it's understandable, but if I send a program 2238 in a day I don't want to see 271 in the stats, or 390 and 12 counted.

It's not shaving, it's not scam because there is no clear definition for a unique, but please at least point it out clearly in your TOS or get rid of the hit counting completely like some mainstream programs, so affiliates at least know that they have to rely on their own counts.

Flames on !

Major (Tom) · 03-13-2007, 09:24 PM

check my program and if you find anything fishy with clicks I will post TMM explanation. I dont count second page hits and call them first page. I dont call join page hits "qualified hits" which is just another term for bullshi*.
We count what you send. hands down.
Duke

Snake Doctor · 03-13-2007, 09:27 PM

2nd page uniques seems to be the standard these days.

Nats programs will give you the most accurate stats overall. They count a click even if the surfer doesn't let the tour load.

Deputy Chief Command · 03-13-2007, 09:32 PM

blah . .care about the money you be makin . ; let them clickers click all they want to click

the problem with statistics is that they are not all that many people that actually know how to be fuckin using it . . but everybody be fuckin understanding that it be important

that being said .. statistics are control .. if you doubt you have the control you cant use it . . most 'advanced' if not all statistical programs are flawed beyond believe .. dont use them .. they suck ..

SmokeyTheBear · 03-13-2007, 10:12 PM

use spacash they count every click , front page second page , join page , even fhg and trailer's

not only that its broken down by country

zigx · 03-13-2007, 10:14 PM

it is serious bullshit. the only purpose is to skew the truth.

The Ghost · 03-13-2007, 10:31 PM

It's all creative marketing and appeals to those who feel better seeing a lower ratio, or better still running to the boards with "amazing ratios". Overall $$$ is the most important, but we feel showing every possible stat we can makes our affiliates better at what they do.

We count and show 1st page raws and uniques.

porno jew · 03-21-2007, 09:33 PM

salesman · 03-22-2007, 02:27 AM

blah . .care about the money you be makin . ; let them clickers click all they want to click
good said, i agree

VIPimp · 03-22-2007, 02:28 AM

I count only FIRST PAGE HITS, my ratios are based on that as well...
Honest Detailed Stats @ http://www.FreakBucks.com/main.php

DamageX · 03-22-2007, 02:29 AM

Second page uniques is actually good. Most sponsors these days will try to make sales look good by showing you join page ratios...

J B · 03-22-2007, 02:42 AM

What I noticed over the years is that some sponsors went from counting 1st page raws over 1st page uniques to finally counting 2nd page uniques. I wonder why

It's amazing how sponsors count clicks differently anyway. Some sponsors seem to count every single raw click (even if you e.g. click a link to another site in their exit console) while others count 2nd page uniques network wide, i.e. if you visit 10 of their paysites, only one click is counted and only if you actually went to the 2nd page of at least one site.

IMHO there are still way too many people that just look at the ratios provided by the sponsors and as long as this is the case you will see this 'creative click counting' more and more

V_RocKs · 03-22-2007, 02:50 AM

I thought for sure this must be a 2004 bump.

03-13-2007, 07:49 PM	#1
StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	Creative click counting - Drama It makes me sick ! Why are so many programs counting second page uniques and shit like this ? I'd rather see a real 1:2000 raw instead of a bogus 1:200 with totally useless and incomplete referrer stats. There are several huge programs using this second page unique count, I won't call names, but if you count your own outgoing hits, it isn't rocket science to figure out who messes with your clicks. Why are 70% of my visitors unique according to server stats but no sponsor comes even close to this % when looking at my stats ? Why do some sponsors count webmaster signups and surfer signups to calculate overall conversions, but webmaster clicks aren't counted ? Yes, there is alot of competition and apparently conversion rates are a holy cow. I never cared for other people's conversions, but apparently many webmaster do. It becomes more and more ridiculous, and it's not just a few programs. To some extend, it's understandable, but if I send a program 2238 in a day I don't want to see 271 in the stats, or 390 and 12 counted. It's not shaving, it's not scam because there is no clear definition for a unique, but please at least point it out clearly in your TOS or get rid of the hit counting completely like some mainstream programs, so affiliates at least know that they have to rely on their own counts. Flames on !

03-13-2007, 09:24 PM	#2
Major (Tom) Boomer Woffen Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Null Posts: 30,543	check my program and if you find anything fishy with clicks I will post TMM explanation. I dont count second page hits and call them first page. I dont call join page hits "qualified hits" which is just another term for bullshi*. We count what you send. hands down. Duke __________________ My mother said, to get things done You'd better not mess with Major Tom

03-13-2007, 09:27 PM	#3
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	2nd page uniques seems to be the standard these days. Nats programs will give you the most accurate stats overall. They count a click even if the surfer doesn't let the tour load. __________________ sig too big

03-13-2007, 09:32 PM	#4
Deputy Chief Command Deputy Chief Command Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,482	blah . .care about the money you be makin . ; let them clickers click all they want to click the problem with statistics is that they are not all that many people that actually know how to be fuckin using it . . but everybody be fuckin understanding that it be important that being said .. statistics are control .. if you doubt you have the control you cant use it . . most 'advanced' if not all statistical programs are flawed beyond believe .. dont use them .. they suck .. __________________

03-13-2007, 10:12 PM	#5
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	use spacash they count every click , front page second page , join page , even fhg and trailer's not only that its broken down by country __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-13-2007, 10:14 PM	#6
zigx Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Burlingame CA Posts: 1,430	it is serious bullshit. the only purpose is to skew the truth. __________________ _,.:'`- Club JK . com --> 60% payouts RSS, Hosteds, POTD, Your Mother, etc... CCBill

03-13-2007, 10:31 PM	#7
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	It's all creative marketing and appeals to those who feel better seeing a lower ratio, or better still running to the boards with "amazing ratios". Overall $$$ is the most important, but we feel showing every possible stat we can makes our affiliates better at what they do. We count and show 1st page raws and uniques. __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join

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03-22-2007, 02:27 AM	#9
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03-22-2007, 02:28 AM	#10
VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	I count only FIRST PAGE HITS, my ratios are based on that as well... Honest Detailed Stats @ http://www.FreakBucks.com/main.php

03-22-2007, 02:29 AM	#11
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Second page uniques is actually good. Most sponsors these days will try to make sales look good by showing you join page ratios... __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

03-22-2007, 02:42 AM	#12
J B Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: StatsRemote.com Posts: 1,804	What I noticed over the years is that some sponsors went from counting 1st page raws over 1st page uniques to finally counting 2nd page uniques. I wonder why It's amazing how sponsors count clicks differently anyway. Some sponsors seem to count every single raw click (even if you e.g. click a link to another site in their exit console) while others count 2nd page uniques network wide, i.e. if you visit 10 of their paysites, only one click is counted and only if you actually went to the 2nd page of at least one site. IMHO there are still way too many people that just look at the ratios provided by the sponsors and as long as this is the case you will see this 'creative click counting' more and more __________________ A HUGE TIME SAVER FOR LESS THAN $1 PER DAY! Contact: support A\|T statsremote D\|O\|T com

03-22-2007, 02:50 AM	#13
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	I thought for sure this must be a 2004 bump.