name me a pro fighter that will be in there with mercer in that fight?

thanks

mercer will knock him out!

I understand that. My point is that neither of the two fighters in this scenario have alot of grappling experience, so it's conceivable that Mercer could get trained by MMA people as well, which would negate any advantage by Kimbo other than age.

Also, the days of UFC 1-4 are long gone. Nobody in MMA steps into the ring without extensive grappling training (if they do they're idiots), but it doesn't begin and end with grappling, there are other aspects to fighting which are important also.

I'm sure you'll agree that not all BJJ black belts are created equal, some people are just more talented fighters than others, and you can't necessarily say the guy with the belt in BJJ is going to beat the kickboxer or wrestler.

Yes Gracie won UFC 1-4, but he wasn't just a BJJ fighter, he was a BJJ world champion, there's a big difference between him and 99.99% of other people who have trained in ground fighting.

all this talk an no betting?

WTF?

Wheres boneprone?

Can we watch you fight anywhere Anthony? Any vids online or anything like that?

You seem to have been training for a while and apparently know what you're talking about. Let's see some goods!

I would bet anything that the fight will go down like this....Kimbo- being basically a street thug with an ego to match will go in there and try to slug....if only just to say he knocked out Ray Mercer mano a mano...street cred whatever....he will quickly realize that this was a bad idea...take mercer down and eventually win a long, boring and ugly wrestling match....:2 cents:

I agree with everything you have said, except mercer will knock the kim out of kimbo.

Alot of confused people here.

It's a hell of alot easier to each a guy to duck and grap a leg then it is to teach a long time pro boxer to counter act his instinct and drop his hands to defend a take down.

If this was a street brawl like most of Kimbo's fights were no take downs were allowed I'd go for Mercer.

I think Kimbo will take this one easy as long as he doesn't try to prove anything by standing with him.

kimbo in every aspect: power, speed, all around skill


ray mercer was "lazy" even in his prime, at 46 years old he's just looking for paydays, so i dont expect him to come into this fight in phenomenal shape - nor will he be as prepared as kimbo will be


4 months of SERIOUS mma training to a naturally athletic man like kimbo, and its a wrap

if you've never stepped in the gym you wouldnt know

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I heard something about that, but not much came of it if I remember right.

That would be something, ATT and FFN training head to head. :)

Sure, I'll go first.

Kimbo will be debut as a professional MMA fighter that fight with Mercer.

Now, your turn.

Actually, forget it, you wouldn't know.

Tical,

My fight will be streamed. Last I heard it was going to be free. If you are in the Santa Barbara area, come to the Earl Warren and watch it! :)

I'm fighting Heavyweight, max 260lbs.

Truer words have never been spoken.

gotta love someone who thinks they know everything. if kimbo is a pro and trained 4 months, why arent you? are you scared of something?

i didn't read all the posts... but here is my opinion on the situation. the growing cult of personality around Kimbo is really misguided. he hasn't fought anyone that had skills (except for gannon who submitted him standing up a couple times, much to everyones dismay). for the most part, he fought people who sucked worse than he did... mainly a bunch of misguided, clueless ghetto weirdos who made the near fatal mistake of trying to show off for their friends. being big and putting your head down and swinging doesn't make one a good fighter... even when you happen to connect and even hurt people. only in the last fight i saw, did it become apparent that he had actually started to train... you could see it in his punching and body work. is it enough? who knows? is he a great fighter? well... he hasn't fought anyone that they knew right away that he could beat. can he be a great fighter? depends on how comitted he is, how hard he trains and how well he accepts the inevitable fact that he's going to also lose from time to time.

i dont think people seem to really understand what it takes to get into shape for a fight and what kind of conditioning it takes. beyond that, its much much harder for someone who is a heavy weight. i box 5 days a week, trust me... i know. no matter how hard i work... its never enough. mercer knows. if i had to bet money right now on a fight between him and a pro boxer, i would bet money on kimbo losing steam right away... as he always does after a few flurries.

Gotta love idiots who don't read all the posts in a thread.

Read up some, about me fighting May 12 in my first MMA fight. My first fight was to be in August, I decided to take an earlier on in May as well, with only 4 months of MMA training. I have years of Submission Grappling, striking, but never all put together. So yes, moron, I am speaking from experience.

Nothing like looking like a dumbass because you didn't read.

Where's the list of Pro MMA fighters who don't go for the shot/takedown? You are full of shit.

I doubt you'll be back in this thread after being owned twice. But you never know with some tards.

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hey what are the details on your fight?? (location, organization, opponent?)

im far, but not too far from santa barbara, maybe ill come check it out!

Would be cool for you to make it Felix. :)

May 12th, 2007 Earl Warren Showgrounds. It's a new org, the promoter runs Santa Barbara Martial Arts, a former Pro MMA fighter. The card consists mostly of new fighters with zero record, myself included. The headliner which is still tenative is supposed to be Sean Liddel, Chuck's brother.

http://www.earlwarren.com/ews_pages_...darevents.html

Under May 12th, you can find all the info. Look for Throwdown.

whoa that's pretty crazy coming all the way from florida!?!?! is there not a smaller org out there you can get a first fight ??

Yep there are, I took this fight because the Promoter is a very good friend of mine and needed fighters.

I've set my sights on the CFC after I win in Cali.

sweet, looking forward in watching it

really im just posting to make you look more and more like the asshole you are in case you hadnt figured that out. you're talking shit and calling names because people disagree with your tough guy know it all ass.

I agree.
There are no cold hard facts when discussing a topic like this, there is just opinion. However Anthony has decided that anyone who disagrees with him on the slightest detail is an idiot who doesn't deserve to be part of the discussion.

Get over yourself man. It's like trying to prove to everyone that the 3-4 is a superior defense to the 4-3, or that the west coast offense is superior to a vertical passing game. It's all a matter of opinion, AND the answer is different depending on the personnel.

I'm guessing you never heard of NHB.

No Holds Barred?

What speed man????? What are you talkin about?? I stepped in the gym, actaually I do Kempo (mma rules) and I know you're talkin bullshit! Not about Mercer cuz Idon't really know him but Kimbo. NO MATTER how seriously he's training he's a boxer and all the techniques in his mind and body are related to punching(btw as I saw punching like an amateur). Even if his trainers are the best he can have....A REAL match is something else

No, you are throwing out strawman arguments because you are an idiot.

You have yet to back up any of your statements, all made from ignorance.

Only one talking shit about not knowing shit... Is you.

Nuff said.

If we were talking about Football, I would give you the benefit of the doubt.

Since we aren't, and you have no idea what MMA fighting or the strategy employed, besides even what the training entails, your statements hold absolutely no water.

So please, keep living in your LARP'ing fantasy land about being able to defend mulitple attackers with iron bars.

I really commened Speakman's camp with their new change over to MMA style training and ruleset.

With that said, I disagree with you. I'm a grappler, first and foremost. My game has been leveled out, I feel I'm a very competent striker now, and my Muay Thai has caught up with my Jits. I don't even consider myself that gifted of an athlete, just have alot of drive and determination.

There are alot of if's in this equation. One thing everyone seems to forget is that during Kimbo and Gannon's fight, Kimbo went in for a shot, and took Gannon down with a double leg. Gannon actually trains MMA.

If Kimbo plans his training for this fight, and fights his plan, Mercer has no chance if it goes to the ground with a ground and pound.

I'd hate to be a buck negro whose sole purpose in life was fighting other negroes for the enjoyment of pale white skinny crackas.

at least youre entertaining me, dance some more tough guy

Hopefully gets the arse kicking he deserves!

Standard response for an idiot who got owned but want to show it doesn't bother them.

You are boring.

standard response for someone who brags about owning someone over the interweb. youre not boring me yet, keep dancing.

Skipping past the three pages of posturing, I went and looked at Kimbo's videos for the first time. I viewed six of them. What a joke.

Most of the people Kimbo faced were chumps that didn't know jack about fighting, and had little fight in them (the fat Chicano guy was a pitbull, but a stupid, unskilled, out of shape pitbull). In any case, you really have to be stupid or desperate for money to fight bare knuckles like that.

And come on, underground cockfights and dogfights at least have some semblence of an actual ring.

Good for Kimbo that he is stepping up to organized fighting. I wish him well, but he better have a lot better stamina than he displayed in the videos I saw.

As for the fight with Mercer, even though Mercer is getting on in years as a boxer (and he looked pretty shot last time I saw him fight), if it came down to boxing, I'm pretty sure that Kimbo would get schooled.

Mercer appears to just be doing this for a payday, as he did in the K-1 matches which he lost. I saw he was supposed to box with Hasim Rahman on June 14th, so that suggests that perhaps his boxing match fell through, and this is just an exhibition which he may not be taking seriously, in which case this may just a set-up to make Kimbo look good in his debut.

BTW, did anyone notice that Tommy Morrison is back in boxing? (Mercer earned his Heavyweight title defeating Morrison - Morrison retired years ago after supposedly testing positive for HIV).

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you know I'm gonna go ahead and watch this one... kimbo hits hard.. and has been training ffa... he is a different story today than he was 2 years ago when I was running my mouth.. very different story...

Aw, c'mon you could kick Kimbo's ass (you should be in there instead of Ray Mercer) - you're just scared about breaking a fingernail or messing up your doo...

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YAWN

Sad you can't back up anything you post, eh?

And even two years ago when you were running your mouth, you still bitched out. :2 cents: