This fight iwth Mercer is Kimbo's Professional MMA debut.

I know it's possible to train MMA in 4 months. It is up to Kimbo, FFA, if it's enough to win against Mercer.

Hey Bro. Tyson has been in talks with K1, and PRIDE about fighting MMA.

Never seems to happen.

Wish it did. :)

It could go either way.

We can say the same about Kimbo :winkwink:

You could, but Kimbo is 29 years old.

I don't see Mercer training with a top camp for this either.

Thats whats at issue.....put gloves on them....it lasts maybe 2 rounds...but MMA rules changes things to Kimbo's advantage...as a boxing purist- there is no way Kimbo can stand up with even a 46yo Ray Mercer....but as soon as he takes him down its prob over...:2 cents:

try reading the whole post chief

liddell has some of the best take down defence in the UFC.

that combination is what makes him the champion

its going to be a very interesting fight

Kimbo will get his ass handed to him in this fight

Kimbo will get his ass handed to him in this fight

Kimbo wont take the fight to the ground in the beginning.. imo.. he'll try to outboxed Mercer and this is where Mercer needs to shine.. Not sure about this but i think Mercer may also have wrestling background..

So Mercer officially replacing Dirty Danza for this one? :disgust

10 years ago. He can't fight on the ground at all.

Should have managed his money better.

That's kinda what I'm getting from this as well. Sounds kinda like they're trying to teach Kimbo how to win by submission because they know Mercer would stomp the hell out of him in the kind of brawl that Kimbo is used to fighting. At least that what it sounds like... :2 cents:

what they're doing is matching him up against a guy with not a lot of ground skills just like kimbo. they want it to be a boxing match because they feel like kimbo can take a punch and possibly move better on the ground. does anyone seriously not see this?

like i said this fight will come down to who can take who's punch better and im betting that mercer can take kimbos best shots and keep throwing. i know kimbo can take a punch as well but he doesnt have a tenth of the experience taking a punch as mercer does. power is the last thing that a boxer loses remember that also. no one ever doubted that mercer had power, he just fought guys who were simply better boxers in the big matches he lost like holyfield, lennox lewis and klitchskho

I hate Kimbo..

Kimbo will get destroyed if he tries to stand with Mercer. He'll probably take him down and try to pound him out. It will be interesting to see. Who knows what kind of ground game either of these guys have. The problems I see is that Mercer is about 50 and hasnt fought in 4 or 5 years and Kimbo is always in terible shape. Either way it will probably end in the first, Mercer standing or Kimbo ground and pound.

That's sad for a middle aged man signing up to fight because he needs the bread.

My guess is that even though an old boxing champ could deliver serious blows to an amateur fighter, using MMA rules will remove any chance of him winning. The speed and agility of a younger fighter, who is allowed to throw kicks, choke, and put an old man on the ground is going to win.

well then I guess the question would be would Kimbo have both ears when the fight was over

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hows the training going bro?

You're like a broken record man.
We all get that you think BJJ/Wrestling is superior in every way to all other forms of fighting, but the fact of the matter is it all depends on the "fighter" not necessarily how the fighter was trained.

Mercer will have a punchers chance regardless of what kind of shape he's in and what training he does or doesn't do for the fight.
I've watched alot of Kimbo fights and I haven't seen him go to the ground ever. Sure he's training with these guys that you claim are gods, but still it's only for a few months.

In MMA guys that are black belts in BJJ lose every day to guys with striking backgrounds.
Sure to be a well rounded fighter you need to have stand up and ground/submission skills, as well as defenses, but you make it seem like strikers are pussies and BJJ guys are gods, and that just ain't true.

Here's a novel thought, why not get off your fat ass and go find out for yourself what training as a MMA fighter entails. 4 months is a good time to train someone to sprawl and brawl, and ground and pound. I'm not even bringing in submissions, because it's not needed, to defend or get them.

Bring up one time I said Kimbo would win by submission fucktard.

All you have seen me post is MMA is a well rounded game, and while Mercer has boxing skills, Kimbos trainers are going to train Kimbo to negate Mercer's boxing by taking it to the ground.

If you had any idea what the fuck you were talking about when it came to fighting instead of doing your Live Action Role Playing Krav Maga, you'd have a clue.

It's going good, I'm ready to fight now.

7 weeks till my fight. I'm killing that BJJ guy. :)

Ray is SHOT. He can't let his hands go. Kimbo would still get beat with gloves on, but he has a good chance standing up without them. I don't think Ray has much of a chance if it goes to the ground.

Lenny, nobody disrespects strikers, but BJJ would still be winning 90% of the time if fighters didn't get stood up every five seconds. Royce would never have beaten Dan Severn under the current format.

The fighter is important, his will and his ferocity, but the skill is the key. I don't care if you train in TKD every day for 50 years, you're an underdog to a BJJ blue belt who's trained for two years. It's a proven fact.

Not if you have good takedown defense ;-)

TKD does not have any takedown defense, let alone "good".

Kimbo is a big guy... Id love to see this..
wait with or without gloves?

its going to be intersting to say the least -

kimbo, a street fighter, will have some mma training under his belt

mercer is a former pro boxer.

if kimbo goes toe to toe and tries to box/fight mercer, kimbo's ass will be handed to him.

if kimbo can drop mercer to the mat, then its over for mercer.

does anyone know if mercer is training in any of the grapleing arts/technics?

amazing how many replies this thread has received so far. everyone has an opinion...some educated and others....not so much.

I meant in a MMA fight which I'd think both fighters would prepare themselves with one training to defend takedowns and the other trying to work on his striking skills/gnp..

but ofcourse, without any additional training.. the bjj guy has the edge..

so where can we place bets for this one.. mercer ias gonna get killed :)

Ahhh, makes sense now. :)

Dig was talking BJJ vs TKD, so much empirical data that BJJ wins 9 outta 10.

MMA is a complete fighting system in all ranges. I've been training my ass off for my first fight, and I would kill the Anthony that was only a BJJ/Submission Wrestler guy in a fight before I started.

Pure BJJ fighters don't even exist in MMA anymore. Last one I saw was Royce vs Hughes, and everyone saw what happened with the past met the present. Gotta know how to fight in all ranges.

Keep in mind that without time limits the BJJ guy doesn't have to shoot in every five seconds like he's on crack. He can wait, let you come to him, or he can just wait for the opening instead of trying to create it. Takedowns are very tough today because the striker knows the BJJ guy has no choice but to go for it constantly.

A failed takedown is one of the most exhausting things you can do, a few of them and you're pretty much done for the night.

I think people that are backing Mercer here are remembering a much different Ray Mercer than they are going to get. If this was the Mercer of 10 years ago, and both guys put in the same amount of time training, I would've backed Mercer in a second. The man had a concrete slab for a chin and could throw a punch. But I still have the image in my head of Ray Mercer vs Remy Bonjasky in K1 where Mercer took a high kick to the head and suddenly looked like a very shot fighter.

If I remember correctly, Ray Mercer didn't even train for K1 before he took his first fight against Musashi. The guy's never really been known for his strong work habits, and something tells me he won't even train MMA seriously for this fight. If both guys just go in there and slug it out then Mercer would have a chance, but this isn't street fight rules and a pretty simple submission attempt by Kimbo could end this fight in a hurry. And you better believe the guys at FFA will be working Kimbo's ground game. it's going to be up to Ray Mercer to get with a good team and train his ass off to not get it handed to him, but history proves that he won't.

lol at all the talk of kimbo going for the takedown and submission because he's been training for a few months. you see fucking fighters that have been training for 2 and 3 years that still dont go for a takedown because they're better at striking. im sure this guy is going to take him down, put a big ass dude like mercer in a fucking armbar or something without getting his dome smashed in, yeah right.

listen i don't want people to think that I am discounting BJJ or MMA but the facts are the you are talking about a backyard fighter who fights dumbfucks and has been beat by a nobody to a gold medal winning, former Heavy Weight Champion of the world who gave one of the greatest fighters of all time Lennox Lewis the best fight of his career this fight shouldn't be on pay per view it should be on Pros vs. Joes what people don't understand is how much more it takes not to just make it to the professional level but to succeed and maintain that success for any length of time Kimbo isn't iin the same class of human as Mercer

And don't think that Mercer is that far off He was training to fight Hasim Rahman in June the fight fell through so he has be training for a 10 round fight
but I could be wrong I mean he was training for Rahman not a Sean Gannon caliber fighter

That's usually because they are fighting a guy that has also trained on the ground. Ray Mercer stated out of his own mouth that he didn't even train for kicks when he fought in K1. Do you think he's going to train submissions or sub defense at all? The first time they clinch a simple guillotine could make it a short night if Mercer doesn't train to defend it, and he probably won't.

Name me one pro fighter that wouldn't go for a take down on a boxer.

Thanks.

I agree that Mercer was a great boxer, but he looked like shit against Shannon Briggs his last fight, and that was in 2005. Ten years ago I wouldn't have argued against Mercer for a second, but the man is shot.

That being said I'm no fan of Kimbo either, and I am curious to see what happens if they stay on their feet and slug it out.

Wasn't there talk at one time of Ray Mercer training with ATT if he stayed in K1? The ATT guys should lobby Ray to get his ass in there so he can get some proper training.