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www.InsomniacCash.com

All sites, content, members, affiliates included. The affiliate program has been completely redone for smooth automatic sailing.

With my GF being pregnant, she is very insecure and I simply can't work on this at all anymore. Nothing that needs to be done can be due to my situation and I'm afraid I can't get this network generating the revenue I know it could under my current circumstances.

I have 2257 photos and information for each model (not including TightFetish.com)

The sites make money just sitting there without me touching them but I know they could make 10x more.

I have a lot of money into this network. All the girls are exclusive to me, I found them myself and did everything myself with hired photographers.

It's a great opportunity to buy 4 solid sites with a ton of affiliates (488 to be exact).

I have DVD full of photos and tapes full of videos.

First $30,000 offered gets it all.

Simple as that.

Email me at jason at mmabigshow dot com if you are interested.

Thanks.

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Why is everyone selling ! Good luck w/ it:-)

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Who the Fu#k is TimSiner?

Zayne E.

Sites look fantastic...best of luck!

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ICQ'd you. No reply

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Why is everyone selling?

Personally, my GF HATES this stuff and is feeling insecure because shes pregnant which is crazy to me because shes sooo hot. It makes no sense to me.

I had to promise to let her get a boob job when she has the baby.

In any case, I can't do anything with this network anymore and there is so much money to be made with it and it sucks that its just sitting there.

I'd rather sell it, pay off my car and move on for now. The sites are basically paying for my new benz and insurance. If I sell the network and pay off the car, then its one less bill and a lot less headaches to worry about. heh

Maybe some day I'll come back with some clever new ideas but its doubtful.

I just want to sell it all for now.

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hmmmmmm....sounds....interesting....you sell a program because your GF is insecure?

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Chris

would you ever partner up with someone and you are 100% hands off and you take xx precent?

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Sosa

katina and missy are smoking hot!

Violetta

If she hates him doing porn, I can understand his situation when she is pregnant. My gf dont like me doing this either, and I know for sure she will hate me doing porn if she gets pregnant


Anyway. Your sites are awsome Ordo, and I hope you get your 30k! Good luck mate

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Hey, if you end up not finding a buyer and want someone to bring the sites to full potential let me know. I'll run it, you do nothing. Cash comes rolling in. Ive been in your members areas (I was going to promote the sites at one time) and I know that would do very very well. Let me know

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Im not holding this against my girlfriend. I've read all about it. Women just get really insecure when they are pregnant and their bodies are changing rapidly etc.

Does it suck? Yeah, but I plan to be with this woman the rest of my life so I have to do what I can.

As for a partner, yes I would do that and already started but apparently there were some misunderstandings and thats not working out. I guess webmasters dont do gallery submissions for sites. Just update them? I dunno. Not important.

I was looking for someone to help run the sites for a while but I'm not sure I'm willing to try that again unless someone just blew me away with their abilities to generate revenue from the sites.

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Sosa

ztik should be able to help you out, and he knows me so I can work with him on a few things as well probably.

PornoMonster

interesting it is

BrettJ

So you have the 2257 docs for 3 of the 4 sites.

How many of those 3 still are shooting with you?

How many pic sets (and # of pics) ?
How many vid seets (length and explicitness of vids)?

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Yes I have 2257 info and photos of the girls holding their ID's next to their faces in high rez. I left nothing to chance.

I havent shot with the models in a long while but Im sure all would be available for updates. Upon purchase I would get permission from each model to enable the buyer to contact them for future work. Shouldn't be a problem.

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tranza

I'd be more then willing to partner up with you.

I already have the staff needed to run a program too.

Let me know if you're interested.

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Cyber Fucker

it's a nice deal I guess, good luck with the sell!

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good luck to you

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germ

best of luck to you.

chaze

Dang why, you have a great set up there.

Pete-KT

changing a life style because of a gf is a huge change, good luck to you

Ordo

Thanks for the support folks.

I have 4 potential buyers that are reviewing information so far.

I'm expecting some firm yes or nos anytime now.

It really is a great network that could be so damn profitable in the right hands. I built everything myself. Handpicked the models, hired the photographers, you name it. It doesn't get anymore exclusive.

Hopefully if things go well, I'll be able to pay off my car and live in peace without anymore guilt trips, arguing or fighting. I sound like Im bitching but I do understand. It's just not easy. Shes good to me so its worth doing. I'm too busy with other things anyway.

Do me a favor and get a copy of my MMA DVD! www.mmabigshow.com
I'm looking for sponsors!!! haha

Thanks guys.

I'll keep this thread posted with updates as I find out more.

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Your affiliate area doesn't look any different than it did months ago. Where are all these big changes?

wyldblyss

I believe it is in lawyers hands right now.

pornguy

If this is what pays the bills, and lets her live in the life style that she has because of it, then she needs to STFU, and let you work.

What will you do for money that gives you this much time with her, and pays this well.

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No, I see what happened.

The woman I brought on to run the network, Dee from Canada had been working on the sites for over a month in exchange for 40% off the top when the sites begin to increase in sales. She redid the affiliate section and posted on some forums but explained that she couldn't do much else until she redid the members areas, saying they werent good enough for webmasters to promote as they are.

I told her that I wasnt going to pay her until I started seeing things changing and the sites began to grow again. (I spent two weeks submitting galleries and my sales shot to $500 a week easily) My sales barely went up at all after over a month of Dee "working" on things. She told me not to send her money until she was done with everything and the sites began to sell more.

Weeks later I sent her a message asking her what was up and she began to flip out on me. I wasnt paying her, she didnt do TGP submissions and that it was someone elses job yadda yadda. Excuse and complaint after another.

Days later I contacted her again to see if she had calmed down enough to talk and sort things out. More insults, bashing, irrational conversation, you name it. Everything but clear answers and progress. It began turning into a nightmare. So I finally decide, I'm done. I can't work on the sites myself for reasons explained above and I cant trust anyone else to do what they say they will. So, I post here that I was willing to sell it.

Dee began flipping out on me again saying I'm screwing her over ating crazy and irrational, more insults the whole nine. I tried explaining to her that I wasn't screwing her but she was leaving me no choice. The members areas hadn't been done or anything. So she begins telling me its been sitting on her hard drive and she just hadn't done anything with it yet. As if I'm supposed to know. To make this story short, Dee is simply out of her mind and impossible to work with. She made huge promises and never delivered anything but insults and chaos.

Last night I told her I was selling the network and to tell me what she wanted to be paid. For an hour I asked her repeatedly. She would never answer, always avoiding the question with more cry babying and irrational behavior.

I have the entire chat log I can post here if anyone cares.

Since then, she has taken it upon herself to take away the affiliate system she built (which is fine by me), but whats odd is she never had it running from my systems to begin with...

The whole situation has been a shady and dark experience with someone I truly can't believe exists on this planet. I thought people like her were only in movies.

Now she is saying this is in a lawyers hands? Shes trying to make this sound much bigger than it is and her efforts are futile. All she has done at this point is cancel any chances of making any money at all off of my selling the network. If she tries to take this further by doing anything else shady, she will know what a legal enema feels like.

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This is my most recent series of chat sessions with Dee.
Enjoy.

Session Start (254570313:Dee): Mon Feb 05 10:39:34 2007
[10:39] Dee: hey, how is it going?
[10:41] ElectricCrow: Fine, just wanting to check and see whats up. We need to figure out a way to get these sales up. If I cut these checks in half right now I wont make my car payment anymore and that will hurt me. They just aren't getting bigger yet. I know it will take some time, but what can I do to help speed things up?
[10:42] ElectricCrow: I also need some information from you
[10:42] ElectricCrow: sec
[10:45] Dee: ok
[10:47] Dee: let me know when you get back
[10:47] ElectricCrow: get back?
[10:48] ElectricCrow: I was looking at the paperwork I need to fill out for CCbill. Im trying to get adobe acrobat so I can fill this out.
[10:48] Dee: oh, thought you meant "sec" like you would will be back
[10:48] Dee: Ok, look
[10:48] Dee: I need to get these members areas in order....that helps retention, but also gets webmasters to send traffic
[10:48] Dee: If you can't make your car payment, then don't split the money just yet
[10:49] Dee: keep it
[10:49] Dee: We can split when the numbers are up a bit more
[10:49] ElectricCrow: Thats fair. But is there anything I could be doing to help you in the meantime?
[10:50] Dee: At the moment, I am just getting the members area in order....once those are done
[10:50] Dee: I am going to do more of a push on them to webmasters I know
[10:51] Dee: I am posting on all of the boards under insomniaccash
[10:51] Dee: just starting to let people know about the program again,without really pushing it until these members areas are done
[10:51] ElectricCrow: I see
[10:51] Dee: I'm trying to be accomodating though...I mean, I have not taken one penny for all of the work I have done
[10:52] Dee: You won't find many people willing to do that
[10:52] ElectricCrow: I know. I am just glad you are confident that it will pay off. You wouldnt be doing this if you didnt believe in your abilities.
[10:52] ElectricCrow: I just need to be making more than I was letting the network sit there, ya know?
[10:53] Dee: Agreed, but new sales were up 39% in January compared to December
[10:53] Dee: it is not going down, it is not staying the same, it is going up
[10:53] Dee: this is jsut the start
[10:54] ElectricCrow: fair enough
[10:54] ElectricCrow: but if there is anything I can be doing to help, just let me know. I want to see these sites bringing in a couple grand a week.
[10:55] Dee: Oh trust me, they will...right now it is rebuilding...you have to have a product people believe in...
[10:55] ElectricCrow: I agree
[10:55] Dee: if you come out again half assed...webmasters shrug it off and don't come back
[10:55] ElectricCrow: Im not doubting you
[10:56] Dee: Ok, I know it is hard for you...that is why I am telling you that you don't need to send me checks right now
[10:56] ElectricCrow: well, my car and insurance are paid for out of the sites right now is all. As long as I can cover that I'm fine for now.
[10:57] Dee: Understood Tust me, I want money out of this too....so I'm going to make sure I do
[10:57] ElectricCrow: good
Session Close (Dee): Mon Feb 05 10:58:12 2007

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Session Start (254570313:Dee): Fri Feb 16 11:07:43 2007
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[11:08] ElectricCrow: Hey, I wanted to let you know the checks are starting t oget a little bigger. Let me know how things are going, whats planned etc. Id like to see you getting checks soon. I'd say they are up by about $50 a week right now so its getting better. Email me at [email protected]
Session Close (Dee): Fri Feb 16 11:08:45 2007


Session Start (254570313:Dee): Sat Feb 17 12:36:07 2007
[12:36] Dee: Good I knew they were going to get bigger because i have been checking the stats. Things are started to go now...and they will continue to increase [Offline Message (2/16/2007 [16:24])]
Session Close (Dee): Sat Feb 17 12:46:44 2007


Session Start (254570313:Dee): Sat Feb 24 13:17:15 2007
[13:17] ElectricCrow: hey
[13:19] ElectricCrow: Ive been checking the traffic on the sites and they are increasing a little but they still aren't near where they were before. I used to be doing a lot of gallery submissions and such which helped a lot. I also found a URL in the referrer section for Tightfetish, I think it ssomoene linking people to access the site through his/her account. Let me know what you think it is. (Link: http://owwwww:[email protected]/piclist.htm
Session Close (Dee): Sat Feb 24 13:19:32 2007


Session Start (254570313:Dee): Sat Feb 24 14:54:08 2007
[14:54] Dee: You have no protection on any of the sites
[14:54] Dee: hence you are open to password sharing etc.
[14:54] Dee: you can get strongbox etc. added to them but i think it is $80/site
[14:54] Dee: that would prevent password sharing
[14:55] ElectricCrow: I see
[14:56] ElectricCrow: should I ban that user?
[14:56] Dee: you an always disable their password
[14:57] Dee: if they contact us we could explain the rules, why it was disabled and give them another chance...and then give them some legal sounding jumbo about his liabiliity for bandwidth...illegal activities, fraud etc.
Session Close (Dee): Sat Feb 24 15:03:57 2007


Session Start (254570313:Dee): Mon Feb 26 21:59:26 2007
[21:59] ElectricCrow: You around?
[21:59] Dee: I am now
[21:59] ElectricCrow: ok cool
[22:00] ElectricCrow: Im curious as to how promotion is going so far. Are you submitting galleries to TGPs and setting up partner accounts etc?
[22:00] Dee: I have started contacting webmasters to promote us
[22:00] Dee: I continue to make galleries for webmaster promotion
[22:01] Dee: You want me to webmaster for insomniaccash?
[22:01] ElectricCrow: waddya mean?
[22:03] Dee: Well, I was under the assumption we would get webmasters to promote us
[22:03] ElectricCrow: well yeah, but we have to promote ourselves too
[22:03] ElectricCrow: right?
[22:03] Dee: You want me to do all the webmaster promotion, all the updates, a total redisgn of the affiliate program, along with all members area
[22:03] Dee: make all free hosted galleries, contact webmasters and get them to promote us
[22:04] Dee: Post on 75 adult webmaster boards as insomniac cash
[22:04] Dee: And now you want me to make daily galleries for all 4 sites, apply for and pay for partner accounts
[22:04] Dee: and i'm not taking a cent?
[22:04] ElectricCrow: wow
[22:04] ElectricCrow: you're angry
[22:05] ElectricCrow: I just assumed you were promoting the sites, thats all I was saying
[22:06] ElectricCrow: I thought we worked it out to the effect that you were going to run the show like you owned it to build the sites back to a profitable margin and then take a cut off the top.
[22:08] ElectricCrow: Hello?
[22:09] ElectricCrow: If Im mistaken let me know. I'm not trying to get you angry here.
[22:10] Dee: I'm not angry...I'm stunned
[22:11] Dee: Submitting galleries to TGP's is what webmasters do
[22:11] ElectricCrow: Stunned why? I really dont understand.
[22:11] ElectricCrow: I thought you were the webmaster
[22:11] Dee: ok....maybe this is just a mistaken meaning
[22:11] Dee: webmaster to me = the guys that sign up to promote your program
[22:12] Dee: to be honest...the galleries we are making etc. for webmasters to promote us
[22:12] Dee: are for use on the on their own TGP's
[22:13] ElectricCrow: right
[22:13] Dee: no regular submit TGP will accept any of our sites except for maybe HaleyHuff
[22:13] Dee: they are all non-nude
[22:13] Dee: most don't even show panties or even bras
[22:13] Dee: jsut lifting of a t-shirt to show a bit of stomach..
[22:13] ElectricCrow: When I was running the site I would submit galleries to everyone and I got the sites up to a million visits monthly. There are TONS of non nude TGPs out there
[22:14] ElectricCrow: even The Hun listed me regularly for Tightfetish.com
[22:14] ElectricCrow: (Link: www.nngalleries.com)www.nngalleries.com
[22:14] Dee: Wow, I am going to have to think about this
[22:14] Dee: I am elbow deep totally redoing tight fetish members areas
[22:15] ElectricCrow: Im just saying, I know it may not seem like there are sites to promote these, but I used Chameleon a lot and it worked for me
[22:15] Dee: at no time did you tell me to make daily galleries / freesites and submit them to TGP's
[22:15] ElectricCrow: I didnt even do it daily. I submitted a gallery every few days

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[22:16] Dee: If you were getting over a million hits and total income from your sites, BEFORE webmaster payout was 2k, those ratios are awful
[22:16] ElectricCrow: I didnt know what I was doing. CuteKatina was doing really well. That was the site that was getting the most traffic. Haley and Missy didnt get a whole lot and tightFetish was doing decent but nothing major
[22:20] Dee: Well, I wish you the very best of luck. Think of it this way...you got us to redo your affiliate area so people can actually figure out how to promote you
[22:20] ElectricCrow: what?
[22:20] Dee: YOu have posts on a good hundred webmaster boards linking to your program which is good
[22:20] ElectricCrow: you are giving up?
[22:21] Dee: you got us to fix up all your hosted galleries, rethumb them and make a shitload more
[22:21] ElectricCrow: hun, did I catch you on a bad day or did I really just piss you off somehow?
[22:21] Dee: Hon....I have put a couple hundred hours into this
[22:21] Dee: for a grand total of ZERO dollars
[22:21] Dee: I do NOT webmaster anymore....I build....i promote...i fix
[22:21] ElectricCrow: Well, youve been explaining things to me as if you were just preparing everything for the big promotional push
[22:22] Dee: I am not going to be making daily galleries and spend my days submitting to TGP's for you
[22:22] ElectricCrow: now you are saying you dont do promo
[22:22] ElectricCrow: well why didnt you say something before
[22:22] Dee: if I wanted to do that...I would sign up and do it myself and get 50%
[22:22] Dee: instead of 40% of your 50% which is peanuts
[22:22] Dee: Say something before?
[22:22] Dee: this is the first time you told you me you expected me to be a free full time webmaster for you
[22:23] Dee: We made a deal.....I would build...update...promote
[22:23] Dee: there was nothing said about being a full-time webmaster submitting galleries for you
[22:23] Dee: man...did I get scrwed on this deal
[22:23] Dee: best of luck looking for your next sucker
[22:24] ElectricCrow: are you kidding me?
[22:24] ElectricCrow: I was under the impression that promoting was submitting galleries and such
[22:24] ElectricCrow: you are getting so pissed and I'm just dumbfounded by whats going on
[22:25] ElectricCrow: you really seem irrational about this for some reason instead of constructively discussing things.
[22:25] ElectricCrow: I want you to be happy
[22:26] ElectricCrow: The sales have gone up a little bit but nothing close to where I had it the first month I launched and I didnt even know what I was doing. I was simply checking to see what was happening and find out what else needed to be done and you are going crazy on me. You dont even want to discuss things, you just want to be upset and yell at me without even trying to work out a solution.
[22:26] ElectricCrow: So, nothing more I can do I guess.
[22:27] ElectricCrow: by the way, we found out today that we are having a baby girl.
[22:27] Dee: Let me explain something to you....perhaps you can learn something from it
[22:27] ElectricCrow: not that you care right now but..
[22:27] Dee: You earned peanuts...you were proud of those peanuts
[22:27] Dee: but it went immediately downhill
[22:27] Dee: it was a facade
[22:27] Dee: you were submitting to TGP's
[22:27] Dee: you weren't updating
[22:28] Dee: you were not taking advantage of any upsells
[22:28] Dee: it was doomed from the start
[22:28] Dee: You wanted me to come on and play full time webmasters...witout telling me that
[22:28] ElectricCrow: well, instead of getting mad and rampaging why not help me help both of us
[22:28] Dee: expecting artificial sales.....sales that only happen as long as i submit full time
[22:28] ElectricCrow: no, I thought thats what a webmaster did
[22:29] ElectricCrow: my misunderstand Dee
[22:29] Dee: I stop submitting...you are back to the exact same thing...a 2 sale a day guy
[22:29] ElectricCrow: not something to get irate about
[22:29] Dee: with no one rebilling because there are no updates
[22:29] Dee: In this business this is what you do
[22:29] ElectricCrow: ok, so what if I found someone else to hndle all the submitting?
[22:29] ElectricCrow: are you saying I shouldnt?
[22:29] Dee: you build a kickass members area that squeezes every cent you can out of members
[22:29] ElectricCrow: I agree with that
[22:29] Dee: you update on a regular basis....you make members WANT to rejoin
[22:30] Dee: the goal in this business is ALL ABOUT the recurring database
[22:30] Dee: THAT is where you make money
[22:30] ElectricCrow: ok, so you are saying you want to handle everything but daily submissions? You create the galleries, handle the affiliate stuff etc, just not TGP submissions or partner account? Is this right?
[22:31] Dee: Do you know that big programs have a recurring database of at least 50,000 - 100,000 members?
[22:31] ElectricCrow: Im honestly just trying to figure this all out, please dont be upset
[22:31] ElectricCrow: jesus
[22:32] Dee: So for a program like that.......say a PPS one....they bring in almost 2 million dollars a month ....1000K is 4 million a month
[22:35] ElectricCrow: ok, I have to run right now. Lets chat more about this tomorrow ok? Ill hit you up and we can see if we can work something out. I want this to make us both money Dee and I'm NOT trying to screw you! I'm just learning this as I go trying to make the best decisions I can. If I wanted to shaft you I would have just sold the thing months ago. Ok?
[22:35] Dee: ok, we will talk tomorrow
Session Close (Dee): Tue Feb 27 11:02:22 2007


Session Start (254570313:Dee): Mon Mar 05 16:04:35 2007
[16:04] ElectricCrow: Are you still angry?
Session Close (Dee): Mon Mar 05 16:05:20 2007


Session Start (254570313:Dee): Tue Mar 06 16:00:35 2007
[16:00] ElectricCrow: Hello?
Session Close (Dee): Tue Mar 06 16:09:54 2007

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Session Start (254570313:Dee): Tue Mar 06 16:59:41 2007
[16:59] Dee: hey...I see you put the program up for sale
[17:00] ElectricCrow: yeah Im going to see what I can get. You are angry and havent talked to me, I feel like Im left with no options.
[17:01] Dee: Well, we were in the middle of things...you left
[17:01] Dee: you told me that you would speak to me the next day
[17:01] Dee: and then days went by and you said nothing
[17:02] ElectricCrow: My girlfriend is pregnant, I cant do gallery submisions. She will honestly burst into tears if she saw me looking at a naked chick on the computer.
[17:02] ElectricCrow: Its just impossible for me to do right now hun.
[17:02] ElectricCrow: no, Ive sent you messages every day since then
[17:02] ElectricCrow: you just havent responded
[17:02] Dee: I can look in the mirror just fine...
[17:02] ElectricCrow: huh?
[17:02] Dee: I can still say with 100% accuracy, i have never cheated anyone
[17:03] ElectricCrow: what do you mean? I dont think you are cheating me. I just dont think either of us understtod exactly what was expected
[17:05] Dee: Obviously I never cheated you
[17:05] Dee: I spent countless hours redoing everything, redoing yoru content...everything
[17:06] Dee: and didn't get paid one red cent for anything I did
[17:06] ElectricCrow: I checked the members areas and didnt see anything different in there. Just the Insomniac pages are different and more automated
[17:06] Dee: and when I refused to be a webmaster and submit daily galleries on top of running your entire program
[17:06] Dee: you put it up for sale...once again...with me not a dime
[17:06] Dee: good example you are setting for your little one!
[17:06] Dee: what a daddy that kid has!
[17:07] ElectricCrow: You are flying off the handle again for no reason.
[17:07] ElectricCrow: Are you for real?
[17:07] ElectricCrow: I havent sold the network. I'm exploring options. If I wanted to screw you over I would have sold it the firs ttime I got a $30k offer.
[17:08] ElectricCrow: I didnt AND I told you about it which wasnt your business anyway.
[17:08] ElectricCrow: You updated the affiliate system, you havent redone the members areas. No changes at all. You keep talking about it but I havent seen anything different.
[17:08] ElectricCrow: Now, you are insulting me for no reason?
[17:09] ElectricCrow: and on top of that, if I were to sell the network dont you think I would send you money for the work you did do?
[17:10] ElectricCrow: I really dont understand if you are just crazy all the time or if you just feel threatened or something. Is it possible for you to have a regular conversation regarding business affairs or is that out of the question entirely?
[17:11] ElectricCrow: so far both times we chatted its been you flying off the handle, tossing insults and then vanishing like a crazy person. What exactly are you expecting me to do with this?
Session Close (Dee): Tue Mar 06 17:16:02 2007


Session Start (254570313:Dee): Tue Mar 06 17:16:59 2007
[17:16] Dee: Uhm dipshit
[17:17] Dee: On my harddrive is all of yoru content totally redone
[17:17] Dee: and the members areas almost finished
[17:17] Dee: YOU are the asshole that is going against our contract
[17:17] Dee: so don't pull any crap on me
[17:17] Dee: I TRUSTED you, you are totally unable to even grasp what that word means
[17:18] Dee: and you fucked me over
[17:18] ElectricCrow: You are the only one pulling crap. I know what you are trying to do.
[17:18] Dee: what...are you disappointed I never put everythign live yet
[17:18] Dee: so that you could get even MORE money for your program
[17:18] Dee: Pulling crap?
[17:18] Dee: You got me to do your fucking work for you and you didn't pay me a cent
[17:18] ElectricCrow: you told me not to
[17:18] Dee: in fact, when it was time to start paying me you delayed, and delayed, and delayed
[17:18] ElectricCrow: bullshit
[17:19] Dee: then started whining like a baby that if you paid me what you owed me you would not be able to make your car payment
[17:19] ElectricCrow: I asked you what you wanted me to do and you said wait until you had the sites making more money which hasnt happened
[17:19] Dee: Don't worry though...I have a contract...I have the U.S. court system
[17:19] ElectricCrow: you are so irrational its impossible to even talk to you about anything
[17:19] Dee: and just because you sell it does not mean my contract isn not valid
[17:20] ElectricCrow: All you have done is update the affiliate system. You know it and I know.
[17:20] ElectricCrow: Its been how long now?
[17:20] ElectricCrow: You want me to believe you have all that other stuff that could have been making you money just sitting on your harddrive?
[17:21] Dee: Fuck you, you stupid cocksucker
[17:21] Dee: I have the proof i did a hell of a lot more
[17:21] ElectricCrow: thats what I thought
[17:21] Dee: update the affiliate area my fucking ass
[17:21] Dee: who made your fucking newsletter template?
[17:21] Dee: reoptimized all yoru fucking content
[17:21] Dee: added better and more professsional watermarks to your fucking content
[17:22] Dee: every fucking set has a FHG already done for went it went live on an update
[17:22] Dee: you want me to post the proof in your fucking gfy thread?
[17:22] ElectricCrow: So what you are saying is, you had an opportunity to make 40% off a web network, you updated the affiliate system and stopped, then when that wasnt enough to generate more sales and I questioned you about it, you started this craziness while telling me I'm the asshole trying to screw you?
[17:22] Dee: you want me to push you that far you fucking little twirp?
[17:22] Dee: how the fuck DARE
[17:22] Dee: YOU
[17:22] Dee: say all AI did was one thing
[17:22] ElectricCrow: will you PLEASE take your pills and calm down
[17:22] Dee: you were too fucking busy doing NOTHING to even know what I did
[17:22] Dee: fuck you and your pills
[17:23] Dee: go fuck your knocked up girlfriend
[17:23] ElectricCrow: are you shaking right now?
[17:23] Dee: typical guy "ok man, i screwed you over but if you bitch about it...i'm going to have to do the male thing and tell you to go take some pills man to like calm down"
[17:23] ElectricCrow: I visualize a women with crazy frizzy hair shaking histarically while typing all of the hatred
[17:23] Dee: go talk to your girlfriend like that
[17:23] ElectricCrow: I havent screwed you over
[17:23] ElectricCrow: thats just it
[17:24] ElectricCrow: youve updated the affiliate system
[17:24] Dee: sounds like SHE is the one that you should have been after about taking pills
[17:24] ElectricCrow: probably right about that
[17:24] ElectricCrow: lol
[17:24] Dee: ok fuckhead...you want it..you got it
[17:24] ElectricCrow: got what?
[17:24] Dee: where do you want it all ftp'd to?
[17:24] Dee: i am going to ftp you everything so you can choke on it
[17:24] ElectricCrow: Stop
[17:24] Dee: come on big boy
[17:24] Dee: show me how big your balls are
[17:24] Dee: you want to say ALL i did is the affiliate area?
[17:24] ElectricCrow: If you could relax and talk to me for a few minutes in a rational manner I wouldnt have to "choke on it"
[17:25] Dee: come on...push that short dick aside and show this big balls
[17:25] ElectricCrow: If you did more, then WHY HAENT I SEEN IT
[17:25] Dee: how bout screen caps?
[17:25] ElectricCrow: you updated the affiliate system and sat around for a month waiting for checks
[17:25] Dee: yo9u want it all uploaded, including all the galleries fuck head?
[17:25] Dee: what are you going to say then you fucking small dicked prick?
[17:26] Dee: oh...ok...so you redid my entire members area....redid my affiliate back end...created all the free hosted galleries that are live and you uploaded
[17:26] ElectricCrow: What Im saying is that if you did all of this, and updated the sites with it, we wouldnt be having this discussion and youd probably have had some checks by now
[17:26] Dee: reoptimized all of my fucking content...renamed and reorrganized it
[17:26] ElectricCrow: IT DOESNT FUCKING HELP SITTING ON YOUR HARD DRIVE NOW DOES IT FRECKLES!
[17:26] Dee: designed and sent out affiliate newspapers
[17:26] Dee: signed up to 100 webmaster boards...posted about our company...talked to poeple
[17:26] Dee: ok.....well....uhm......uhm....wtf then
[17:27] Dee: so I have proof...and I am going to get a third party that has ZER
[17:27] Dee: ZERO to do with this.....and show them the proof
[17:27] Dee: and ruin your fucking name for saying i did nothing
[17:28] Dee: like A"you only redid my entire program.....for nothing...gee...wtf you complaining about...take meds...not sure why you are upset....so what if you spent about 100 hours on shit for me and got ZERO
[17:28] Dee: it was like charity man, cause i knocked up my girlfriend
[17:28] Dee: So what fuckface
[17:28] ElectricCrow: Yeah, you want to go through all of this. Anyone I show this entire chat log to will see that ive done nothing but try and work with you

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[17:28] Dee: you want me to fucking upload it for the new fucking owners cockhead?
[17:28] ElectricCrow: but youve been crazy
[17:28] Dee: why in the FUCK would i give you more now
[17:28] Dee: no fuck face
[17:29] Dee: a third party will see it on MY servers and see what I did and confirm it to the webmaster world
[17:29] Dee: and try and sell your fucking program with a law suit looming
[17:29] Dee: you think you don't have enough for your fucking care payment now
[17:29] Dee: wait until i get finished with you you low life scum
[17:29] ElectricCrow: you are out of your mind
[17:29] Dee: I am not out of my mind
[17:29] ElectricCrow: show me this magical content you have slaved over
[17:29] Dee: I had a contract
[17:29] ElectricCrow: yeah and you havent fulfilled it
[17:30] Dee: Ok fuckface....let me show you buthead
[17:30] Dee: and then what?
[17:31] ElectricCrow: you updated one thing, SAID youve done so much more but for some reason I havent seen any of it and when the sites arent making anymore money than when you started Im supposed to be the bad guy?
[17:31] Dee: do you want the fucking newsletter design up there to fuckhead?
[17:31] Dee: fuck you....shut your fucking stupid mouth and wait
[17:31] Dee: i am uploading it all
[17:31] Dee: and going to let you fucking gag on it all
[17:31] ElectricCrow: where do you want to upload it?
[17:32] ElectricCrow: how do I know I cant trust you with the way you are acting?
[17:32] Dee: I am uploading it to my own servers
[17:32] ElectricCrow: If you had all this, then why the hell didnt you use it?
[17:32] ElectricCrow: Why have you been sitting on it for over a month while expecting a check?
[17:33] ElectricCrow: It looks much more like you screwing me than me doing ANYTHING to you.
[17:33] ElectricCrow: you havent tried fulfilling your end of the deal and you are pissed at me?
[17:33] Dee: well first of all, iike I tried to explain to you, but your girlfriend would never let you stay online for more than 15 minutes
[17:34] ElectricCrow: me being online has nothing to do with her, Im busy! I have 3 other companies
[17:34] Dee: I explained that programs that get big get WEBMASTERS...ie: those people that post on boards....submit galleries...to spend THEIR time sending you traffic
[17:34] ElectricCrow: All I wanted you to do was take over the sites, get them making more money and bam, you get your checks
[17:34] ElectricCrow: it was so simple
[17:34] Dee: I explained to you that most webmasters who do reshare will NOT have anything to do with a shitty asssed members area like yours
[17:34] Dee: Step One: Redo affiliate
[17:35] Dee: Step Two: Redo all members area...reoptimize all content....a tiny little thumb made with arles images is NOT acceptable anymore...that meant everything had to be downloaded...rethumbed, watermarked, resized
[17:35] ElectricCrow: yes, youve explained this. It doesnt change the fact that while the site is stagnant with the same revenue as before you started that you havent done anything to the members areas
[17:35] Dee: upload all and release
[17:35] ElectricCrow: you say you have, but ive seen nothing
[17:36] ElectricCrow: ive seen VERY little increase in weekly revenue, Ive seen the affiliate section updated, but thats it
[17:36] ElectricCrow: then you get pissed at me for asking you about it
[17:36] Dee: Now....while you are waiting
[17:36] ElectricCrow: like Im supposed to be pshychic and just assume you are hard at work even though I cant see anything and you tell me the same thing all the time
[17:36] Dee: How about you slide your sorry ass over to the top 100 webmaster boards
[17:37] ElectricCrow: which is what?
[17:37] Dee: and you look for the nicnmae of Dee_InsomniacCash or Dee_Insomniac
[17:37] ElectricCrow: and why the fuck do you keep insulting me? ar eyou 14 years old or something?
[17:37] Dee: you will see that nickname registered AND posting at the top 100 webmaster boards
[17:37] Dee: that is called getting your name out
[17:37] ElectricCrow: I understand that
[17:37] Dee: Why do i keep insulting you?
[17:37] Dee: because after I came in....agreed to do everything out of trust
[17:37] ElectricCrow: IVE DONE NOTHING TO YOU
[17:37] Dee: not only do i get screweed
[17:38] ElectricCrow: Who the fuck screwed you?
[17:38] Dee: and not get a fucking cent
[17:38] Dee: you accuse me of doing nothing
[17:38] ElectricCrow: You are screwing yourself, right now!
[17:38] Dee: and trust me sugarlips.....i don't tolerqate that
[17:38] ElectricCrow: YOU HAVENT SHOWN ME SHIT
[17:38] Dee: I am trying asshole
[17:38] Dee: Now go to those boardsA?
[17:38] ElectricCrow: link me
[17:38] Dee: Link you?
[17:38] ElectricCrow: cumdumpster
[17:38] ElectricCrow: lol
[17:38] Dee: You want me to give you a link to the top 100 boards?
[17:38] ElectricCrow: I can do that too
[17:38] Dee: pleae tell me you are not that lazy
[17:39] ElectricCrow: what damn boards?
[17:39] ElectricCrow: is it one forum or what?
[17:39] Dee: Ok, do you know that place called GoFuckYourself?
[17:39] Dee: That is called a webmaster board
[17:39] Dee: there are well over 100 of them
[17:40] Dee: Your company is registered at the Top 100 of them...meaning the top 100 in terms of webmaster posting/traffic
[17:40] Dee: That means I registered at over 100 discussion boards
[17:40] Dee: go to them...look for my nickname...you will see it there
[17:41] Dee: Try these for starters
[17:41] Dee: (Link: http://board.adultinsider.com/search...earchid=172699
[17:42] Dee: or those:
[17:42] Dee: (Link: http://www.beerandbollocks.com/forum...searchid=14312
[17:43] Dee: (Link: http://www.ask************/search.php...searchid=47585
[17:43] ElectricCrow: look, I got it, you posted on forums and updated the affiliate page. but that doesnt change the fact that ive seen nothing in the members area after youve been talking about it for a month
[17:43] Dee: Or all of those
[17:45] Dee: also...don't forget all the hosted galleries I put in the database...by hand
[17:45] Dee: those don't count either right? cause those just magically happen
[17:46] Dee: because everything I say I did...you say "oh that...well" like it was insignificant
[17:47] Dee: do you know it ttook about 15 hours to just sign up to all of the boards?
[17:47] Dee: filling in all the info...confirming emails?
[17:47] ElectricCrow: I know, ive done it myself
[17:49] Dee: now you do understand that I downloaded gigs of content
[17:49] Dee: so you can't expect this to all go up in the matter of 3 seconds
[17:49] Dee: but...you can see that it is starting to upload
[17:49] ElectricCrow: yes I know that Dee
[17:49] Dee: let me get you the URL
[17:50] ElectricCrow: I dont know why we are going through all of this honestly.
[17:50] ElectricCrow: If you have all of this stuff done, all you had to do was upload it to the sites and promote them to start making some money.
[17:50] ElectricCrow: its such a simple thing
[17:51] ElectricCrow: how you would let it turn into this grudge match is beyond me
[17:51] Dee: oh wait
[17:51] Dee: So you wanted me to:
[17:51] Dee: Promote your site via 100 webmaster boards
[17:51] ElectricCrow: stop being sarcastic
[17:51] Dee: Update all of your sites
[17:51] ElectricCrow: yes I wanted you to
[17:51] ElectricCrow: that was the deal
[17:51] Dee: Do all the promo and design for all of the sites
[17:51] Dee: In fact, do all of it
[17:51] Dee: PLUS be your number one webmaster
[17:52] ElectricCrow: I put over $35,000 into these sites, you have the chance to make 40% for doing some work
[17:52] Dee: Honey.....I could have made galleries and promoted you for 50%
[17:52] ElectricCrow: yes, of just your sales, not every one elses
[17:52] Dee: why would i do eVERYTHING and be your #1 webmaster for 40%?
[17:52] Dee: I tried to get through your thick skull
[17:52] Dee: the idea is to get WEBMASTERS to promote you
[17:52] Dee: not to do it all yourself
[17:52] ElectricCrow: even if that were the case, you still didnt do what you say your job was
[17:53] Dee: the programs job is to GROW...update, add new sites, new promo
[17:53] ElectricCrow: Thats fine, you explained that last time you reemed me
[17:53] Dee: and let those with the fucking traffic do the promoting
[17:53] Dee: that is what you are paying them for
[17:53] Dee: that is what they do best
[17:53] ElectricCrow: I understand that
[17:53] Dee: but you explected me to do EVERYTHING plus submit constantly
[17:53] Dee: all for nothing, 'cause you never paid me SHIT
[17:54] ElectricCrow: but you never updated the members area so we couldnt get more webmasters or as you called it the good webmasters, hence no increase in paychecks hence no checks for you
[17:54] Dee: that was not the deal sweet cheeks
[17:54] ElectricCrow: had you done what you were supposed to inctead of playing games we wouldnt be having this fight
[17:54] ElectricCrow: that was the deal
[17:54] Dee: and the deal said I got 40% off the top
[17:54] Dee: i got NOTHING
[17:54] ElectricCrow: The sites havent done anything!!!
[17:55] Dee: and you say....well...you didn't get paid anything....because in order to get paid you had to give me an entirely new program.....and act as a webmaster 24/7 too
[17:55] ElectricCrow: Im not doing any better than I was before you started, am I just supposed to pay you for nothing?
[17:55] Dee: and do customer service
[17:55] Dee: be the affiliate manatger
[17:55] Dee: deisgner
[17:55] Dee: promoter
[17:55] ElectricCrow: wow be as dramatic as you can

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[18:33] ElectricCrow: I truly think you are just crazy
[18:34] ElectricCrow: Ive done everything I could to talk with you, to work everything out, to speak to you with respect, you just wont have any of it. There is no pleasing you. You feel you are owed money, I'm asking you how much, you keep avoiding the question. Nothing more I can do for you.
[18:36] ElectricCrow: If you so much as think about puting my content online for people to to steal, I promise you that you will learn all about my lawyers and then some. I'm not playing games with you anymore. Nice doesnt work so things are about to get real serious.
[18:36] Dee: Let me explain something to you in terms that you are able to comprehend
[18:36] Dee: Just because you scam and steal does NOT mean that I do
[18:37] Dee: My reputation is built upon 100% honesty...and THAT is what has given me a very high income in this industry
[18:37] Dee: I will NOT put all yoru content on all the file sharing sites like others would
[18:38] Dee: I will NOT be posting it all over the web
[18:38] ElectricCrow: then what do you want
[18:38] Dee: I am still getting your "proof:" together
[18:38] ElectricCrow: Im fed up with the insults and bullshit.
[18:38] Dee: but people keeping messaging me about wtf is up with you selling the program
[18:38] ElectricCrow: Your proof doesnt matter Dee. You havent updated the websites with it and have just been sitting on it.
[18:39] Dee: and I am having to explain things to them so it is taking longer than expected
[18:39] Dee: Your main problem is jay, your head is in a box
[18:39] Dee: taped up
[18:39] Dee: I am NOT going to update a site that hasn't been updated in 2 years
[18:39] Dee: I am going to totally redo it
[18:40] Dee: and then I am going to blast the web with "we redid the affiliate area, now check out all the websites....everything redone
[18:40] Dee: updates all in sequence ready to upload...done......on time all the time
[18:40] Dee: but you could never understand that
[18:40] Dee: you will be small time forever because you can't think outside that box yoru head is in
[18:40] Dee: "
[18:40] ElectricCrow: no Dee
[18:40] ElectricCrow: That I understand
[18:41] ElectricCrow: but you are spending more time complaining about $40 a week instead of making the sites into a $5,000 a week project.
[18:41] Dee: Hi we just updated cute katina : Webmaster comment "yeah, well I just checked and it is the first update in 2 years...no fucking hell will i be promoting that"
[18:41] Dee: I told you off the bat
[18:41] ElectricCrow: If you could do everything you say you can and are supposedly doing, then this pennies you arent getting now would mean nothing
[18:41] Dee: It would take time to get everything redone
[18:42] Dee: Has it ever occured to you for one moment jay that I have bills to pay too?
[18:42] Dee: Did you expect me to stop earning all income to fix you up?
[18:42] ElectricCrow: My sites pay for my car and insurance. I Cant afford to cut that down on the hopes that you do what you say you can
[18:42] Dee: This was as I told you from the start a long term project
[18:42] ElectricCrow: And thats fine
[18:42] Dee: Monsterpartners went from 1,000 a month to almost 35,000 a month in 11 months
[18:42] ElectricCrow: but do you expect me to send you money while you are working on other projects?
[18:43] Dee: you never had the patience...you never understood that i knew exactly how to do this...that this is what i do...that i know what works
[18:43] ElectricCrow: No Dee
[18:43] ElectricCrow: thats not how it is
[18:43] Dee: in 11 months you could have made 21,000 a month
[18:43] ElectricCrow: I'm fine as long as my car and insurance is getting paid
[18:43] Dee: for your family....that is just in 11 months...and it go up from there
[18:43] Dee: but QUALITY is the key
[18:44] ElectricCrow: Im not willing to cut into those payments for however long it takes you to do whatever you say you can do
[18:44] ElectricCrow: its not fair to me
[18:44] Dee: there are hundreds of shit ass, half ass crap ass sites out there that look like someone that knows ANOTHING about the industry did them
[18:44] ElectricCrow: you did a great job on the affiliate section of the main site
[18:44] ElectricCrow: I dont doubt your abilities
[18:44] ElectricCrow: but thats not what this is about
[18:44] Dee: So when you do something, and you make a change...you make it PERFECT....so that people see you as a completel professional program, 100% certain that you are going to be there and make everyone big bucks
[18:45] Dee: but you were too busy about me spending all my time making 10 sales a week on TGAPA's so you could have a couple hundred bucks extra a week
[18:45] Dee: instead of thousands
[18:45] Dee: and then you blame me...
[18:45] Dee: you tell me i did nothing
[18:45] ElectricCrow: I didnt blame you, I asked you what was up
[18:45] ElectricCrow: then you blew up
[18:45] ElectricCrow: and here we are
[18:45] Dee: I can't begin to tell you how angry that makes a person
[18:46] Dee: to put so much into a program as I have
[18:46] Dee: and have someone who is NEVER around say "you did nothing" because I can't see it
[18:46] ElectricCrow: Dee, I simply asked you what was going on and you began bitching at me about money
[18:46] ElectricCrow: Im always around
[18:46] ElectricCrow: always been watching
[18:46] Dee: and that is what makes you small jay...small time...because when you think like that...you are doomed
[18:46] ElectricCrow: letting you do your thing
[18:46] ElectricCrow: ok, Im done with the insults
[18:47] ElectricCrow: done
[18:47] ElectricCrow: either tell me what you want or be done
[18:47] ElectricCrow: I have dinner ready
[18:48] Dee: This is your backend Jay...that you couldn't "see"
[18:48] Dee: (Link: http://www.wyldone.com/ic-proof/fhg-...oof/fhg-db.gif
[18:48] Dee: This is a screencap of your new members areas for tight fetish that you didn't "see"
[18:48] Dee: (Link: http://www.wyldone.com/ic-proof/tf-m...tf-members.jpg
[18:49] ElectricCrow: I landed an opportunity in your lap and you havent done a whole lot with it. You tell me you can do so much but I dont see it. You tell me it takes time and I say fine, take time, just dont expect me to pay for all this time of nothing happening.
[18:49] Dee: This is a sample upload of cutekatina content....all the stuff never up
[18:49] Dee: random numbers so you can see it was all done
[18:49] Dee: (Link: http://www.wyldone.com/ic-proof/cute...of/cutekatina/
[18:50] ElectricCrow: Dee.
[18:50] Dee: opening it you will see all the FHG pics
[18:50] ElectricCrow: I ask again.
[18:50] Dee: you will also see all new thumbs in the more standard 90 x 120
[18:50] ElectricCrow: If you have done all this, why havent you updated the sites with it?
[18:50] ElectricCrow: why am I just now seeing this after over a month?
[18:50] Dee: Here is a sampling of the tight fetish jay
[18:50] Dee: (Link: http://www.wyldone.com/ic-proof/tigh...f/tightfetish/
[18:51] Dee: Again....fhg pics for ever set....all resized...new thumbs etc made for the members area
[18:51] Dee: everything is still uploading
[18:51] ElectricCrow: you havent answered me
[18:51] Dee: so don't say I didn't do anything...don't lie about me like that
[18:51] Dee: after all i have done for you....that was such an insult
[18:51] ElectricCrow: You think about it, Im going to eat dinner and will be back to see if you have answered me
[18:51] Dee: you found someone that said "hey, if the car payments won't be made by paying me what you owe me....then hold off for a bit"
[18:52] Dee: that is ME jay...that is the type of person I am
[18:52] Dee: I don't lie...I am showing you I did everything I said I did
[18:52] Dee: all without being paid a cent
[18:52] Dee: i am nice like that
[19:05] ElectricCrow: Dee, if I created the cure for AIDS but never let anyone know about, is it worth anything?
[19:18] *** "Dee" signed off at Tue Mar 06 19:18:37 2007.
[19:24] *** "Dee" signed on at Tue Mar 06 19:24:30 2007.
[19:37] ElectricCrow: So now what?
Session Close (Dee): Tue Mar 06 19:47:50 2007

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[17:55] Dee: but that was NEV ER in the deal
[17:55] Dee: oh I am being dramatic?
[17:55] ElectricCrow: youve told me your job, and you still havent done that fully so what the argument?
[17:55] Dee: then how about you tell me what I am dramatizing?
[17:55] ElectricCrow: i just told you
[17:55] Dee: There was nothing in the fucking contract t6hat said i had to do eVER
[17:56] Dee: YTHY
[17:56] Dee: everything BEFORE i got a penny
[17:56] Dee: Do you really think you can say...on GFY that you expected me to do everything.....before i got one penny?
[17:56] Dee: YOu wanted all new affiliate program....all new wembaster areas...all new promo....everything completely done
[17:56] ElectricCrow: I can say I expected you to do what you said you would and show an increase in sales before getting paid
[17:57] ElectricCrow: no Dee
[17:57] Dee: pluse me constantly webmastering and THEN you would think about giving me some money?
[17:57] ElectricCrow: You told me what you had to do in order to make the site more profitable and started on it onc eI gave you the ok
[17:57] ElectricCrow: you just never finished
[17:57] ElectricCrow: its not about thinking
[17:57] ElectricCrow: its about doing
[17:57] ElectricCrow: you havent done
[17:58] ElectricCrow: you think im trying to screw you, Im telling you, do the job, get paid
[17:58] ElectricCrow: its simple
[17:58] ElectricCrow: if I were to sell the network, I would pay you for the job you HAVE done
[17:58] ElectricCrow: not wht you said you did but never showed me
[17:58] ElectricCrow: you spent forever telling me you could have the site up 10x what its doing now
[17:59] ElectricCrow: havent seen that either
[17:59] Dee: you haven't even seen it yet
[18:00] ElectricCrow: exactly
[18:04] Dee: like i said
[18:05] Dee: it is uploading...and i will let you as well as everyone else view it while it uploads
[18:05] ElectricCrow: If you do anything stupid with my content I can assure you a much bigger problem than us arguing on these websites.
[18:06] ElectricCrow: Now is the time for you to start thinking rationally...
[18:07] ElectricCrow: Ive done nothing to you but question you. I've not screwed you over and even though you obviously cant think clearly, showing me now after the fact that you had done anything else other than what Ive seen doesnt help your case. It simply shows that you didnt fulfill your end of the deal, but could have it you chose to.
[18:12] ElectricCrow: what exactly are you trying to get?
[18:18] Dee: So you do not believe I am being screweed?
[18:18] Dee: I have done all this work and have received ZERO compensation...and you think that is normal...fine.....everything is just aok?
[18:18] ElectricCrow: no, nothing has happened yet and all you have done it yell at me
[18:18] ElectricCrow: WHAT DO YOU WANt
[18:19] ElectricCrow: all you do is bitch and complain but dont do any work
[18:19] ElectricCrow: you are sitting here telling me all the members areas have been done and sitting on your fucking hard drive for christs sake!!!
[18:20] Dee: No, told you they were almost done
[18:20] Dee: you have the gall to tell me I have done NOTHING? you are a flake
[18:21] ElectricCrow: you have done nothing but say you were doing something but not show me, then sit around bashing me like a 12 year old on a sugar high
[18:21] Dee: I have done nothing
[18:22] Dee: please go to http:/(Link: www.insomniaccash.com)www.insomniaccash.com
[18:22] Dee: did you do that?
[18:22] ElectricCrow: you did a few things, but none of them generated any money which you said they wouldnt until you did what? The members areas...then you said to wait on payment until this was all done and we got rolling with the webmasters. But that cant happen because you havent done anything with members areas.
[18:22] Dee: Oh.......so is that how this business works
[18:22] ElectricCrow: now im screwing you?
[18:22] Dee: So a program hires a designer...gets him to design 20 sites
[18:22] Dee: and then says "oh.....they don't earn as much as i thought they would so I won';t pay"
[18:22] ElectricCrow: You know what, just tell me what the fuck you want so I can pay you and be done with you
[18:23] Dee: or you get hosting...and say "i hoped with hosting i would get more sales..but i didn't....so i'm not paying'?
[18:23] ElectricCrow: you know damn well this is different
[18:23] ElectricCrow: what do you want
[18:23] ElectricCrow: you have worked on the sites for how long now? a month?
[18:24] ElectricCrow: so thats 4 weeks, $200 or less per week, 40% of each week. Is that what you want?
[18:24] ElectricCrow: you obviously arent going to finish the job you started
[18:24] ElectricCrow: you obviously cant be rational
[18:24] ElectricCrow: and you think Im trying to screw you over
[18:24] ElectricCrow: so lets settle this and be done with it
[18:25] ElectricCrow: all you want to do is play games and be hateful and Im over it
[18:25] ElectricCrow: Ive done nothing to you but trist you
[18:26] Dee: easy to trust when you aren't putting anything at stake
[18:26] Dee: isn't it?
[18:27] ElectricCrow: uh huh like my entire network $35,000 worth of stuff, yeah right. nothing at stake
[18:27] Dee: what could I have done with it? nothing
[18:27] ElectricCrow: look at what your doing now
[18:27] Dee: could i have changed the billing to myself? nope...ccbill has safeguards in place
[18:28] Dee: what exactly could i have done to you? nothing
[18:28] Dee: and what could you have done to me? not pay me
[18:28] Dee: which is exactly what you did
[18:28] ElectricCrow: sec phone
[18:28] Dee: but i have a contract...and I do have a lawyer...so i'm not very worried
[18:28] ElectricCrow: I have 3 laywers and many friends
[18:28] ElectricCrow: and Im a Freemason
[18:29] Dee: I was a ballerina when I was little
[18:29] Dee: big deal
[18:30] Dee: I can have 20 lawyers....numbers mean nothing...so don't threaten me with that
[18:30] Dee: you are the one that doesn't have enough to meet your car payment
[18:30] Dee: so bragging how many lawyers you have at your disposal is sort of a sad
[18:30] ElectricCrow: Woman, ive asked you already, what do you want
[18:30] Dee: because we all know that lawyers, love money far more than anything else on this earth
[18:31] ElectricCrow: Im not going to sit here and listen to your bullshit anymore.
[18:31] ElectricCrow: My lawyers are brothers of my lidge
[18:31] ElectricCrow: lodge
[18:31] ElectricCrow: I know, you dont understand. But I dont have to pay them
[18:31] Dee: When you tell them the situation...trust me, they will advice you that you are in the wrong
[18:32] Dee: and that it won't matter if you have 3 or 10 or 50 lawyers, it doesn't change the facts
[18:33] ElectricCrow: You still havent told me what you want
[18:33] ElectricCrow: you keep bitching, but you arent saying anything
[18:33] ElectricCrow: you think im screwing you and ive asked you 6 times now what you want

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CaptainHowdy

Believe it or not girlfriends hate porn...

jaYMan

ex girlfriends are worse...

haven't tried a wife yet, thuogh when I do I reckon I'll import.

=)

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Kre8t0r

Even better find someone in the biz like I did..

BTW who is Dee?

potter

Holy shit. I just read that entire ICQ log. Here is my summary. You don't want to run your network anymore. You hire someone to run the network. That person is supposed to receve 40% cut off the top when they build the network up. One month goes by and that person has done close to nothing that is "live". You ask what's going on, what's been done, if you need to pay said employee, and if you can help with anything. All hell breaks loose, employee talks lots of shit to boss.

Now, granted it seems like you're in the right. As you said the "contract" was for her to run things, and build the sites bigger and better. Then recieve payement upon a network revenue increase (another words proof of her work).

However, there are always three sides to every story they say.. So who knows.

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More Booze

First of all, I would never hire a girl because they're all deceitful.


I don't think it's your partners job to submit galleries.
She should try to get more affiliates. Those are the ones that should submit galleries.

Ordo

Yeah, now I know maybe she shouldn't have been submitting galleries. Thats fine, however she didn't explain it to me at the start so I misunderstood her role.

Secondly, she never updated anything, never redid the members areas, nothing like that as I was told she was supposed to do.

Overall, it was a nightmare and one I wasn't even going to make public on here until she began alluding to some kind of legal battle which is rediculous.

I did everything I could to work things out with her but she wouldn't have it. I asked her repeatedly what she wanted and she kept avoiding the question.

Overall, I did what I could and doing what you can will never when dealing with such an immature and irrational person.

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erotic1

oh boy, looks likes $30k of bullshit in a pot waiting to boil over. Already too much drama

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Pointless

5k

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Violetta

I can "kinda" understand her being angry, but not mentally disturbed like that. Jesus...

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Ordo

What do you think if I were to sell each site seperately?

May be easier for smaller networks to acquire a site or two instead of a whole network...

I'm trying to think of a way to make this work.

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NinjaSteve

LOL!

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Silly Guy

wow can't believe i just read the whole log...

sounds like some misunderstandings and alot of PMS