[22:16] Dee: If you were getting over a million hits and total income from your sites, BEFORE webmaster payout was 2k, those ratios are awful
[22:16] ElectricCrow: I didnt know what I was doing. CuteKatina was doing really well. That was the site that was getting the most traffic. Haley and Missy didnt get a whole lot and tightFetish was doing decent but nothing major
[22:20] Dee: Well, I wish you the very best of luck. Think of it this way...you got us to redo your affiliate area so people can actually figure out how to promote you
[22:20] ElectricCrow: what?
[22:20] Dee: YOu have posts on a good hundred webmaster boards linking to your program which is good
[22:20] ElectricCrow: you are giving up?
[22:21] Dee: you got us to fix up all your hosted galleries, rethumb them and make a shitload more
[22:21] ElectricCrow: hun, did I catch you on a bad day or did I really just piss you off somehow?
[22:21] Dee: Hon....I have put a couple hundred hours into this
[22:21] Dee: for a grand total of ZERO dollars
[22:21] Dee: I do NOT webmaster anymore....I build....i promote...i fix
[22:21] ElectricCrow: Well, youve been explaining things to me as if you were just preparing everything for the big promotional push
[22:22] Dee: I am not going to be making daily galleries and spend my days submitting to TGP's for you
[22:22] ElectricCrow: now you are saying you dont do promo
[22:22] ElectricCrow: well why didnt you say something before
[22:22] Dee: if I wanted to do that...I would sign up and do it myself and get 50%
[22:22] Dee: instead of 40% of your 50% which is peanuts
[22:22] Dee: Say something before?
[22:22] Dee: this is the first time you told you me you expected me to be a free full time webmaster for you
[22:23] Dee: We made a deal.....I would build...update...promote
[22:23] Dee: there was nothing said about being a full-time webmaster submitting galleries for you
[22:23] Dee: man...did I get scrwed on this deal
[22:23] Dee: best of luck looking for your next sucker
[22:24] ElectricCrow: are you kidding me?
[22:24] ElectricCrow: I was under the impression that promoting was submitting galleries and such
[22:24] ElectricCrow: you are getting so pissed and I'm just dumbfounded by whats going on
[22:25] ElectricCrow: you really seem irrational about this for some reason instead of constructively discussing things.
[22:25] ElectricCrow: I want you to be happy
[22:26] ElectricCrow: The sales have gone up a little bit but nothing close to where I had it the first month I launched and I didnt even know what I was doing. I was simply checking to see what was happening and find out what else needed to be done and you are going crazy on me. You dont even want to discuss things, you just want to be upset and yell at me without even trying to work out a solution.
[22:26] ElectricCrow: So, nothing more I can do I guess.
[22:27] ElectricCrow: by the way, we found out today that we are having a baby girl.
[22:27] Dee: Let me explain something to you....perhaps you can learn something from it
[22:27] ElectricCrow: not that you care right now but..
[22:27] Dee: You earned peanuts...you were proud of those peanuts
[22:27] Dee: but it went immediately downhill
[22:27] Dee: it was a facade
[22:27] Dee: you were submitting to TGP's
[22:27] Dee: you weren't updating
[22:28] Dee: you were not taking advantage of any upsells
[22:28] Dee: it was doomed from the start
[22:28] Dee: You wanted me to come on and play full time webmasters...witout telling me that
[22:28] ElectricCrow: well, instead of getting mad and rampaging why not help me help both of us
[22:28] Dee: expecting artificial sales.....sales that only happen as long as i submit full time
[22:28] ElectricCrow: no, I thought thats what a webmaster did
[22:29] ElectricCrow: my misunderstand Dee
[22:29] Dee: I stop submitting...you are back to the exact same thing...a 2 sale a day guy
[22:29] ElectricCrow: not something to get irate about
[22:29] Dee: with no one rebilling because there are no updates
[22:29] Dee: In this business this is what you do
[22:29] ElectricCrow: ok, so what if I found someone else to hndle all the submitting?
[22:29] ElectricCrow: are you saying I shouldnt?
[22:29] Dee: you build a kickass members area that squeezes every cent you can out of members
[22:29] ElectricCrow: I agree with that
[22:29] Dee: you update on a regular basis....you make members WANT to rejoin
[22:30] Dee: the goal in this business is ALL ABOUT the recurring database
[22:30] Dee: THAT is where you make money
[22:30] ElectricCrow: ok, so you are saying you want to handle everything but daily submissions? You create the galleries, handle the affiliate stuff etc, just not TGP submissions or partner account? Is this right?
[22:31] Dee: Do you know that big programs have a recurring database of at least 50,000 - 100,000 members?
[22:31] ElectricCrow: Im honestly just trying to figure this all out, please dont be upset
[22:31] ElectricCrow: jesus
[22:32] Dee: So for a program like that.......say a PPS one....they bring in almost 2 million dollars a month ....1000K is 4 million a month
[22:35] ElectricCrow: ok, I have to run right now. Lets chat more about this tomorrow ok? Ill hit you up and we can see if we can work something out. I want this to make us both money Dee and I'm NOT trying to screw you! I'm just learning this as I go trying to make the best decisions I can. If I wanted to shaft you I would have just sold the thing months ago. Ok?
[22:35] Dee: ok, we will talk tomorrow
Session Close (Dee): Tue Feb 27 11:02:22 2007
Session Start (254570313:Dee): Mon Mar 05 16:04:35 2007
[16:04] ElectricCrow: Are you still angry?
Session Close (Dee): Mon Mar 05 16:05:20 2007
Session Start (254570313:Dee): Tue Mar 06 16:00:35 2007
[16:00] ElectricCrow: Hello?
Session Close (Dee): Tue Mar 06 16:09:54 2007