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Libertine · 03-06-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lev

Turkey is Islamic and is becoming less and less secular. Hardcore nationalists are gaining ground, look at the penal code 301, which jails people who insult Turkey

You seem to be implying that islamism and nationalism in Turkey are somehow linked.

In fact, however, modern-day Turkey was founded upon a combination of nationalism and secularism. The military, which has long held an exceedingly important political position in Turkey, has always tried to defend these two things - often by questionable means. Only recently, Turkey has become more democratic, which has ironically increased the power of Turkish Islamists. Many Turkish nationalists, including the military, still vehemently oppose the Islamisation of the state. And make no mistake about it - the Turkish nationalist/secular faction is quite radical in its rejection of Islamism. For example, to this day, women are banned from wearing headscarves as a symbol of Islam in public office and in universities.

Just recently, the Dutch Queen visited Turkey, and extended an invitation for a concert to the (secular/nationalist) Turkish president. He declined, most likely because there would be women wearing headscarves attending the event as well - like the (islamist) prime minister's wife.

The two movements which you seemed to link together are in fact strongly opposed to eachother

Lev · 03-06-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

You seem to be implying that islamism and nationalism in Turkey are somehow linked.

In fact, however, modern-day Turkey was founded upon a combination of nationalism and secularism. The military, which has long held an exceedingly important political position in Turkey, has always tried to defend these two things - often by questionable means. Only recently, Turkey has become more democratic, which has ironically increased the power of Turkish Islamists. Many Turkish nationalists, including the military, still vehemently oppose the Islamisation of the state. And make no mistake about it - the Turkish nationalist/secular faction is quite radical in its rejection of Islamism. For example, to this day, women are banned from wearing headscarves as a symbol of Islam in public office and in universities.

Just recently, the Dutch Queen visited Turkey, and extended an invitation for a concert to the (secular/nationalist) Turkish president. He declined, most likely because there would be women wearing headscarves attending the event as well - like the (islamist) prime minister's wife.

The two movements which you seemed to link together are in fact strongly opposed to eachother

Common man, do you actually believe your fairy tales, the Erdogan government is a puppet, they make it sound that Turkey is secular on the surface, while deep rooted nationalism thrives in the country. By nationalism, I don't mean hardcore Islamic views, I mean the "Pan-turkic" ideology, where Turkey stretches from Europe to Asia and only Turks live in it. These are hardcore views and ideologies that is threatening to engulf Turkey into deeper extreemism. I, mean look at the penal code 301, which basically will put you in jail if you insult Turkey or "Turkishness". How do you think Hrant Dink died, was it because of one secluded incident? There is much more you don't know.

gimilin · 03-06-2007, 10:56 PM

Lev,i think you are right

Libertine · 03-06-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lev

Common man, do you actually believe your fairy tales, the Erdogan government is a puppet, they make it sound that Turkey is secular on the surface, while deep rooted nationalism thrives in the country. By nationalism, I don't mean hardcore Islamic views, I mean the "Pan-turkic" ideology, where Turkey stretches from Europe to Asia and only Turks live in it. These are hardcore views and ideologies that is threatening to engulf Turkey into deeper extreemism. I, mean look at the penal code 301, which basically will put you in jail if you insult Turkey or "Turkishness". How do you think Hrant Dink died, was it because of one secluded incident? There is much more you don't know.

Eh... wtf?

No, the Erdogan government is not a puppet. It's an annoyance to the Turkish secular nationalists, and it's Islamist background is a potential source of future conflict.

Yes, Turkey has a strong secular tradition. And no, that does not contradict in any way with it's admittedly deep-rooted nationalism. (*)

Yes, there are some radical nationalists who plan to take over the world. There are many more who would like to do so, but realize that it's not going to happen. Most of those, however, do intend to keep Turkey a strongly nationalist state, and will gladly imprison, kill or torture those who attack (their idea of) Turkey.

Likewise, there are some radical Islamists in Turkey, who plan to turn it into a purely Islamic state. There are many more who will settle for as much Islamism as they can get. Some of those are non-nationalist Turkish Islamists, some are nationalist Turks as well as Islamists.

While the law you are referring to is relatively new, Turkish nationalism is not. Likewise, the case of Hrant Dink is clearly not isolated. Just look at the many human rights activists who have been threatened, imprisoned and even murdered for (peacefully) raising the issue of Kurdish rights.

The point I am making is that Turkey is not moving in a single, clear way. There are several factions within Turkey with radically different and incompatible goals, and just lumping them all together is deeply misleading at best.

Libertine · 03-06-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gimilin

Lev,i think you are right

Sigwhores should stfu when adults are talking.

xcitecash · 03-07-2007, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lev

This pic is just an illusion.. the football pitch is flat ...its the lake that tilted...stupid !!!!

DutchTeenCash · 03-07-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

Guys!.

i can't believe that what you say.

how some of you guys can judge people without knowing about them?

1. Turkiye is not an Islamic republic & they can't set europ too.

2. don't worry we don't want to enter EU even we will have million euros for each of us, only our government wants it who licks EU's & America's asses.

3. any of them are not Turks who came there with Turkiye passport; (a specially keep in mind monkey kurds which you loved very much to use against Turkiye).

4. uneducated or sick people are every where, not only here.

yea everybody is good & we are bad only.

WOW thats the biggest bs Ive heard

Im sure others already covered this but lemme post one link to show youre so wrong

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/...y/rel-religion

TURKISH RELIGION STATS:

Church attendance: 43%
Islam > Percentage Muslim: 99%
Islam > Population: 68,963,953

Amadora · 03-07-2007, 06:42 AM

That is funny!!!!

Gabriel Night · 03-07-2007, 06:44 AM

funny and i can imagine it is true

DutchTeenCash · 03-07-2007, 06:49 AM

Hey Lev: since you seem to know a lot bout this, can you tell me who came up with this 301 code?

TBrown · 03-07-2007, 06:50 AM

OHHHHHHHH the wiseguys...I've seen those pics hundred times in connection with Romania, Bulgaria too..

Well any of you wiseguys have been to Turkey??Cuz I have and I found it one of the best places int this planet!!

lot · 03-07-2007, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lev

Is that for real?

TBrown · 03-07-2007, 07:04 AM

Funny to read the judgement of ppl whose world looks like that:

Lev · 03-07-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DutchTeenCash

Hey Lev: since you seem to know a lot bout this, can you tell me who came up with this 301 code?

This penal code is not new, it basically replaced the old code, 159 with more restrictions and was signed by President Ahmet Necdet Sezer on 1 June, 2005.
It, basically will put you in jail if you insult Turkey, Turkishness (a word invented by nationalists) or insult Turkey's founder, Ataturk.

Lev · 03-07-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Eh... wtf?

No, the Erdogan government is not a puppet. It's an annoyance to the Turkish secular nationalists, and it's Islamist background is a potential source of future conflict.

Yes, Turkey has a strong secular tradition. And no, that does not contradict in any way with it's admittedly deep-rooted nationalism. (*)

Yes, there are some radical nationalists who plan to take over the world. There are many more who would like to do so, but realize that it's not going to happen. Most of those, however, do intend to keep Turkey a strongly nationalist state, and will gladly imprison, kill or torture those who attack (their idea of) Turkey.

Likewise, there are some radical Islamists in Turkey, who plan to turn it into a purely Islamic state. There are many more who will settle for as much Islamism as they can get. Some of those are non-nationalist Turkish Islamists, some are nationalist Turks as well as Islamists.

While the law you are referring to is relatively new, Turkish nationalism is not. Likewise, the case of Hrant Dink is clearly not isolated. Just look at the many human rights activists who have been threatened, imprisoned and even murdered for (peacefully) raising the issue of Kurdish rights.

The point I am making is that Turkey is not moving in a single, clear way. There are several factions within Turkey with radically different and incompatible goals, and just lumping them all together is deeply misleading at best.

Either you are a non-Turk who has no clue about Turkey or you are a Turk who has not been to Turkey for ages. Nationalism is gaining ground, just look at how a prominent journalist was gunned down in broad daylight, then the killer was hailed as a hero, look at the police posing with the guy

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...afp203body.jpg

The whole secular thing is just a front, a front for EU, so Europeans can see how Turkey has changed, but it is all on the surface. Maybe Istambul is secular and liberal, but most of the country is brainwashed by nationalistic ideas, like "Pan-Turanism". The whole legal system is very biased and prohibits any anti-Turkish ideas.

Oh, and look at this video and you will know what I am talking about

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XgnxNFDxyoc

People throwing eggs and threatening Orhan Pamuk, Turkey's greatest novelist and a Nobel Prize winner!

BigPinPin · 03-07-2007, 12:22 PM

LOL great pics :D I hope this fucking country will never be part of the EU...these turks just bring trouble and their fucked up religious bullshit.

The Sultan Of Smut · 03-07-2007, 12:23 PM

LOL those are great but I doubt all of the are of Turkey but rather just a collection from a guy with an axe to grind.

Mike Semen · 03-07-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigPinPin

LOL great pics :D I hope this fucking country will never be part of the EU...these turks just bring trouble and their fucked up religious bullshit.

Actually the EU influence may have a good, calming effect on the country. Getting them out of Northern Cyprus as a power would also be a desireable (if unlikely) effect.

Looking at the Turks I have seen in Scandinavia, they overall make pretty good migrants. They usually work hard and integrate a lot better than some nationalities.

I think EU membership for Turley is desireable for a lot of people, as it would have effects on the balance of power in that part of the world.

BlueDesignStudios · 03-07-2007, 12:54 PM

hahaha some funny pics there!

porno jew · 03-07-2007, 12:59 PM

maybe because they are terrorists? oh i forgot, we are talking about EURABIA, i'm sure they'll welcome them with OPEN ARMS.

Lev · 03-07-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

maybe because they are terrorists? oh i forgot, we are talking about EURABIA, i'm sure they'll welcome them with OPEN ARMS.

its crazy, 10% of France are Arabs

DutchTeenCash · 03-08-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Lev

This penal code is not new, it basically replaced the old code, 159 with more restrictions and was signed by President Ahmet Necdet Sezer on 1 June, 2005.
It, basically will put you in jail if you insult Turkey, Turkishness (a word invented by nationalists) or insult Turkey's founder, Ataturk.

ah didnt know that - thanks

I just read the whole Youtube block in Turkey due to this, gotta say kinda freaks me out

okdesign · 03-08-2007, 02:25 PM

Not only in Turkey!

RudeBoy · 03-08-2007, 03:21 PM

EU suck .. USA USA USA !

needlive · 03-08-2007, 03:33 PM

The bar table and the soccer pitch are ridiculous...

Mike Semen · 03-08-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RudeBoy

EU suck .. USA USA USA !

How about you fuck off?

Z · 03-08-2007, 06:25 PM

What is it about Turks that every European I know hates? It's really rare to be hated by absolutely everybody, but I swear I've heard women use language that would make a sailor blush describing Turks.

porno jew · 03-08-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Z

What is it about Turks that every European I know hates? It's really rare to be hated by absolutely everybody, but I swear I've heard women use language that would make a sailor blush describing Turks.

YAP · 03-08-2007, 06:31 PM

morron, most of those pictures are from romania and guess what, they are in the eu.

Probably one of your female (and maybe male) relatives got fucked in Turkey and now you are seeking for some kind of a revenge.

Theo · 03-08-2007, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

Eh... wtf?

No, the Erdogan government is not a puppet. It's an annoyance to the Turkish secular nationalists, and it's Islamist background is a potential source of future conflict.

Yes, Turkey has a strong secular tradition. And no, that does not contradict in any way with it's admittedly deep-rooted nationalism. (*)
.

wow, great post, very true.

and no im not turk lol

abyss_al · 03-08-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Z

What is it about Turks that every European I know hates? It's really rare to be hated by absolutely everybody, but I swear I've heard women use language that would make a sailor blush describing Turks.

Read This

fuck the turks

YAP · 03-08-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

[SIZE="5"]]Read This

fuck the turks

" This article has been nominated to be checked for its neutrality. "

lol..

Whats wrong with defending your country..

AtlantisCash · 03-08-2007, 07:05 PM

 Some of the points are very good here.

i won't keep that im the one of the nationalist/panturkist, but we are not looking for what we lost in Arab deserts, we researching what we lost in Sibiria & middle asia.

we are not plasure with Erdogan government, as someone said, he is a puppet for sure.

if Nationalism gain power, it's happy that Nasionalists/panturkists are secularists.

i will let you know that, we olso very dissapointed with Radical rilegous actions, however we trust our military very much & our ideas are the same.

some of your points are seing some wrongs with Turkiye, but it doesn't mean that Turks are olso supporting the same mistakes.

FOR EXAMPLE: Bush Government attacked to against Iraq, Many innocent people killed, some of them are injured, raped etc.

can we say that all Americans are support the same animal actions? No we can't.

the "Code 301" is very normal for Turkiye's special situation.

however we didn't win anything with Hrant Dink asassination, Arminian diaspora found a great chans for propaganda & Hrant Dink had some problems with Diaspora

can You tell me now, who would win, if Hrant Dink killd?

not me!...

let's come to Kurdish rights

thats a funny ass shit, because they all have the same rights with us, & believe me with some reasons they even have better rights than us.

as i remember 2 Turkiye president & 2 Turkiye Prime ministers were kurdish at least.

have you ever heard any Arab presidents at Israel or a Prime minister of Russia from Cecnia???

no miss understanding please, i don't care what Israel or Russia does, but we shouldn't judge something only from what we heard/watched from news papers/tvs right?

YAP · 03-08-2007, 07:16 PM

within 5 years we will be talking about israel who don't want to recognize the genocide in palestina.

Fenris Wolf · 03-08-2007, 07:26 PM

That got me laughing. Great pics.

AtlantisCash · 03-08-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

Read This

fuck the turks

Ouch...

i was wondering why you look such a loser & i understud now the reason

i know you Armenians can not be humans, you can kill innocents only.

GFY Buddys!.

please read this & research about it:

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/a...?enewsid=67014

*****

well bastard, you can sware me no matter, cause Armenians can only sware, but Turks make it real.

so stop fucking around with us, if you keep going, giving history lessons to an Armenian will be great for me.

Moron.

well. now stop crying & go fuck yourself.

AtlantisCash · 03-08-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by abyss_al

Read This

fuck the turks

Ouch...

i was wondering why you look such a loser & i understud now the reason

i know you Armenians can not be humans, you can kill innocents only.

GFY Buddys!.

please read this & research about it:

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/a...?enewsid=67014

*****

well bastard, you can swair me no matter, cause Armenians can only swair, but Turks make it real :D

so stop fucking around with us, if you keep going, giving history lessons to an Armenian will be great for me.

Moron.

well. now stop crying & go fuck yourself.

armus · 03-08-2007, 08:30 PM

ROTFL, I can not say I like my country much, but the guys trying to put it into the piggs ass totally with these fake photos and the other real ones taken from the forgatton eastern villages and insult anyone borned in Turkey. I offer you to visit my family city Antalya and İstanbul metro[also Izmir, Ankara, Bursa...] if you can live more than 6 months without feeling yourself just a crap... The most of all, islamic? i have no religion but sometimes it is not that i am not thinking Istanbul and Antalya nights totally gone crazy ... lol. I know Armenian and Greek nationalist behind this, i have no deal with them either. human is human, just value the persons characters not according the Country name typed in their ID.
Maybe you should develop your being to achieve that personality first before trying that thing, do not you :D

sailfish · 03-08-2007, 08:34 PM

Funny pics

Toz · 04-19-2007, 07:34 AM

We dont wanna enter EU, you fucking with you in EU.
Fuck EU, and fuck you!

We had fucked you already and will always fuck you :D :D

nico-t · 04-19-2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KingK7

Haha funny pics

It does not matter if 99% of the EU population ( I am not including kebab-shop owners, taxi-drivers and "donnie" in those numbers ) do not want Turkey as a part of the EU, the politically correct people at the top will want to include them anyways.

Exactly. Governments dont give a fuck about what the people want.

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