View Single Post
Old 03-07-2007, 12:15 PM  
Lev
Confirmed User
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 3,545
Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertine View Post
Eh... wtf?

No, the Erdogan government is not a puppet. It's an annoyance to the Turkish secular nationalists, and it's Islamist background is a potential source of future conflict.

Yes, Turkey has a strong secular tradition. And no, that does not contradict in any way with it's admittedly deep-rooted nationalism. (*)

Yes, there are some radical nationalists who plan to take over the world. There are many more who would like to do so, but realize that it's not going to happen. Most of those, however, do intend to keep Turkey a strongly nationalist state, and will gladly imprison, kill or torture those who attack (their idea of) Turkey.

Likewise, there are some radical Islamists in Turkey, who plan to turn it into a purely Islamic state. There are many more who will settle for as much Islamism as they can get. Some of those are non-nationalist Turkish Islamists, some are nationalist Turks as well as Islamists.

While the law you are referring to is relatively new, Turkish nationalism is not. Likewise, the case of Hrant Dink is clearly not isolated. Just look at the many human rights activists who have been threatened, imprisoned and even murdered for (peacefully) raising the issue of Kurdish rights.

The point I am making is that Turkey is not moving in a single, clear way. There are several factions within Turkey with radically different and incompatible goals, and just lumping them all together is deeply misleading at best.

Either you are a non-Turk who has no clue about Turkey or you are a Turk who has not been to Turkey for ages. Nationalism is gaining ground, just look at how a prominent journalist was gunned down in broad daylight, then the killer was hailed as a hero, look at the police posing with the guy

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...afp203body.jpg

The whole secular thing is just a front, a front for EU, so Europeans can see how Turkey has changed, but it is all on the surface. Maybe Istambul is secular and liberal, but most of the country is brainwashed by nationalistic ideas, like "Pan-Turanism". The whole legal system is very biased and prohibits any anti-Turkish ideas.

Oh, and look at this video and you will know what I am talking about

https://youtube.com/watch?v=XgnxNFDxyoc

People throwing eggs and threatening Orhan Pamuk, Turkey's greatest novelist and a Nobel Prize winner!
Lev is offline   Share thread on Digg Share thread on Twitter Share thread on Reddit Share thread on Facebook Reply With Quote