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gothweb · 08-05-2002, 11:14 AM

I've got this dirty little quirk. I'm a Mac guy. Die-hard. (Don't really want to have a platform war, so I won't go into why.) One thing I have noticed is that while there aren't many hosts who go with Macs, there are even fewer adult hosts.

So, are there any adult hosts out there who do have a Mac option? I mean, plenty of places allow the Linux / BSD / Windows choice, for people with a preference. Why not Macs, especially on virtual machines? The XServe is getting rave reviews... Is it too good for Porn? ;)

Anyone?

Fletch XXX · 08-05-2002, 11:17 AM

Stay strong brother, but this quest will be tough.

\m/

DrGuile · 08-05-2002, 11:18 AM

could we see those "rave" reviews? Any url with 'mac" in it will be diseregarded.

All I read was that it was an interesting box. No real world tests

Fletch XXX · 08-05-2002, 11:18 AM

Hosts trying to save money will not invest in good hardware.

They bitch about the price of Macs now, do you think server companies want to invest in such killer hardware?

No, and aside from that the price of hosting would be more and most wouldn't pay it.

I would go Mac Hosting.

gothweb · 08-05-2002, 11:24 AM

DrGuile - The Mac press had links to a number of mainstream press reviews that were all positive. I am sure there were nagatives as well. Even on Slashdot, the crowd there seemed to think this server holds its own. No, I don't have URLs handy. I don't think I really need to prove that this server is good, though. Look into it a little yourself, and tell me what's wrong with it.

Fletch - Its nice to see another Mac guy here. Gotta keep up the fight... (blah blah blah revolution etc.) ;) You seem a little more pragmatic than me.. Though I guess while I say I'd love Mac hosting, I'm on a Dell now so can't exactly claim to be a real idealist about this.

Anyone out there host on Macs? Niche = good, right? Well, if you were an Adult host who used XServe with OS X, you can bet you'd get a nice little corner on part of the market.

NETbilling · 08-05-2002, 11:33 AM

Hi,

The Xserve is a great, great server. We have been testing them and are very fast.
I know anet.net has a lot of Mac servers. Check them out at: www.anet.net and speak to Renee when you call.
Let her know that I sent you.

Thank you, Mitch Farber

gothweb · 08-05-2002, 11:45 AM

Sounds good, let me check them out..

Um. Do they have adult hosting options? Their top virtual package seems to be 10 Gigs for $90 a month. Yeouwch.

ControlThy · 08-05-2002, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb
Sounds good, let me check them out..

Um. Do they have adult hosting options? Their top virtual package seems to be 10 Gigs for $90 a month. Yeouwch.

They need the money to pay for those reliable expensive MAC's.

;-)

gothweb · 08-05-2002, 04:40 PM

Okay, now this is weird...

I feel like I am tying my shoelaces in the mirror, while totally submerged in Olive Oil.

What is Gothweb talking about, you ask? I'm talking about using Windows. Meh!

I am running Windows 98 in emulation. Even if it weren't for the clunkyness of emulation, this OS is skanky. Maybe I'm just spoiled. Obviously, MS thinks so, since XP is a cheap ripoff of Mac OS X.

Ah well, at least my emulator supports my dual processors.

quiet · 08-05-2002, 04:46 PM

according for that host4porn site the following have some mac servers:

http://www.westmaster.com/
http://www.powerhoster.com/

neither looks terribly impressive.

Brad Mitchell · 08-05-2002, 07:27 PM

They look pretty, but... I think anyone that would pay $2999 for their base model is insane unless they just like the way it looks. Considering that the value of the unit in PC hardware is just about $700 I don't think these will ever gain widespread acceptance. Didn't I read somewhere that their OS has some kind of a Linux kernal?

Brad

Fro · 08-05-2002, 07:34 PM

Here's the data sheet.

They do have one advantage over most servers out-of-the-box though: QuickTime Streaming Server. It makes for a good platform for all those "Blacks on Blondes" videos you're posting on the Hun.

Of course, you can get QuickTime Streaming Server for free too.

gothweb · 08-05-2002, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire
They look pretty, but... I think anyone that would pay $2999 for their base model is insane unless they just like the way it looks. Considering that the value of the unit in PC hardware is just about $700 I don't think these will ever gain widespread acceptance. Didn't I read somewhere that their OS has some kind of a Linux kernal?

Brad

Brad. Go to Dell and spec-out a machine with the same features. I'll wait here while you work on it. ;) If you can do it, I doubt it comes in at $700. There is a price differential, but it isn't as high as the uninformed populace tends to think.

Close, on the OS. Mac OS X is build around a modified BSD Mach kernel. Macs have a complete BSD subsystem running, on top of which is a lot of extra stop. (The least significant of which is the GUI and the Aqua polish on it.) That fact alone is part of why Apple is gaining ground in the geek market like never before. The strengths of Linux/BSD/unix, with a real player behind the OS, quality hardware, and extra usability features that Open OSs can't compete with.

StacyCat · 08-05-2002, 09:35 PM

Of course, some of the talk coming out from Macworld was about the virus epidemic. If most are written for Wintel machines, then Mac should be a good backup server. It was a brief discussion about the slowing of the virus cycle.

mike503 · 08-05-2002, 09:42 PM

macs are eyecandy, who the fuck would want to host anything on a mac when you can host on industry-standarish operating systems... you'd be paying a lot more for "pride" and that's it.

edmo · 08-05-2002, 10:27 PM

um.. because in certain things mac osx servers are better. http://www.apple.com/xserve/performance.html the powerpc g4 chip rocks. and you can squish 630 gigaflops and 20 terabytes into a single rack. a whole rack would put you at number 57 on the top 500 supercomputers list.
http://www.top500.org/list/2002/06/
equivalent to around 1000 intel based servers.

candidpublishinginc · 08-05-2002, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by edmo
um.. because in certain things mac osx servers are better. http://www.apple.com/xserve/performance.html the powerpc g4 chip rocks. and you can squish 630 gigaflops and 20 terabytes into a single rack. a whole rack would put you at number 57 on the top 500 supercomputers list.
http://www.top500.org/list/2002/06/
equivalent to around 1000 intel based servers.

LOL that's the biggest load of bull in the world. Don't believe the BS hype Apple is trying to sell you.

I don't see apple on the number 57 slot of the top 500 here.

I'll admit that one good thing about a Mac server though is you probably won't have to worry as much about exploits, although with Max OS X I'm not sure how true that is anymore since it is a Unix based kernal.

mike503 · 08-05-2002, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by candidpublishinginc

LOL that's the biggest load of bull in the world. Don't believe the BS hype Apple is trying to sell you.

I don't see apple on the number 57 slot of the top 500 here.

I'll admit that one good thing about a Mac server though is you probably won't have to worry as much about exploits, although with Max OS X I'm not sure how true that is anymore since it is a Unix based kernal.

exactly.

interesting how the article is on apple.com.. they wouldn't be biased or anything.

if apple could do all that, why don't they? would be a great marketing gimmick, supply themselves a bunch of their own servers in a single rack and brag to the world..

oh yeah.. and maybe santa claus can deliver it too.

gleem · 08-06-2002, 12:33 AM

I am a die hard mac user, and I love em to death, bit for the life of me I can't figure out how they are trying to compete in the server market with $2900 mercedes benz of servers, when 99% of the IT departments and hosting companies are looking for the $1500 honda servers, never mind the fact they don't want to have anything to do with "X". IS it that they haven't learned their lesson over the last 20 years? No, I think jobs is just trying to get his foot in the door with these pricey servers, and see if he can sell enough of them to drop the price. Then I think about it more and I don't see how they can drop the price in half to compete, so it's a sad joke and destiny for such a kickass machine, just like the beloved cube, it will not be appreciated in its lifetime.

bhutocracy · 08-06-2002, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gleem
I am a die hard mac user, and I love em to death, bit for the life of me I can't figure out how they are trying to compete in the server market with $2900 mercedes benz of servers, when 99% of the IT departments and hosting companies are looking for the $1500 honda servers, never mind the fact they don't want to have anything to do with "X". IS it that they haven't learned their lesson over the last 20 years? No, I think jobs is just trying to get his foot in the door with these pricey servers, and see if he can sell enough of them to drop the price. Then I think about it more and I don't see how they can drop the price in half to compete, so it's a sad joke and destiny for such a kickass machine, just like the beloved cube, it will not be appreciated in its lifetime.

perhaps if they didn't turn themselves off when theres some static energy lying around in the office the cubes might have been better loved.. heheh.. g-reat design apple...

Pornwolf · 08-06-2002, 12:57 AM

Nice to see you over here T- Gleem.

I am not a Mac fan at all. I never have been. But I have to be fair and say that this Xserve seems like it might be a winner. It won't be adopted by a ton of hosts because Mac users are the computer equivilent of aliens on Earth, but for those of us who do make the switch I think it will work out very well. I know a few people using them for their high demand streaming and they are having a great time with them. I am considering them for a project of mine that will be pushing an OC48 to capacity. Of course I get an incredible discount & special customization for the machines, but after you shave a few hundred off the price I don't think you are gonna beat them.

edmo · 08-06-2002, 08:00 PM

i said a whole rack would put you at 57. it seems that i forgot to post external links relating to apple power.
http://exodus.physics.ucla.edu/appleseed/appleseed.html
oooh external benchmarks.
http://exodus.physics.ucla.edu/apple...enchmarks.html
personally i wouldn't use a mac server because there's a better option still which is to use rlx blades. of course if price is the single decision criteria you can run windows 2000 on your homemade box. woo.

Pornwolf · 08-06-2002, 08:42 PM

Blades are fantastic servers and I will personally be buying a few for my regular sites since you can fit over 2 blades with dual processors and drives & into 1 ru, but if you take into account buying the blades and the management software plus the other extras it makes more sense for us to use the special discount (half off) and get the Xserves. Ease of management is what beats the blades in this case.

edmo · 08-06-2002, 09:59 PM

RLX System 300ex 24 servers in 3u.
(336 ServerBlades in a 42U Rack)
RLX System 100ex 6 p3 server blades in 1u.
http://www.rlx.com/products/products.php

SleazyDream · 08-06-2002, 10:00 PM

big mac hosts?

08-05-2002, 11:14 AM	#1
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Mac Hosts? I've got this dirty little quirk. I'm a Mac guy. Die-hard. (Don't really want to have a platform war, so I won't go into why.) One thing I have noticed is that while there aren't many hosts who go with Macs, there are even fewer adult hosts. So, are there any adult hosts out there who do have a Mac option? I mean, plenty of places allow the Linux / BSD / Windows choice, for people with a preference. Why not Macs, especially on virtual machines? The XServe is getting rave reviews... Is it too good for Porn? ;) Anyone? __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

08-05-2002, 11:17 AM	#2
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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Hosts trying to save money will not invest in good hardware. They bitch about the price of Macs now, do you think server companies want to invest in such killer hardware? No, and aside from that the price of hosting would be more and most wouldn't pay it. I would go Mac Hosting. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

08-05-2002, 11:24 AM	#5
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	DrGuile - The Mac press had links to a number of mainstream press reviews that were all positive. I am sure there were nagatives as well. Even on Slashdot, the crowd there seemed to think this server holds its own. No, I don't have URLs handy. I don't think I really need to prove that this server is good, though. Look into it a little yourself, and tell me what's wrong with it. Fletch - Its nice to see another Mac guy here. Gotta keep up the fight... (blah blah blah revolution etc.) ;) You seem a little more pragmatic than me.. Though I guess while I say I'd love Mac hosting, I'm on a Dell now so can't exactly claim to be a real idealist about this. Anyone out there host on Macs? Niche = good, right? Well, if you were an Adult host who used XServe with OS X, you can bet you'd get a nice little corner on part of the market. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

08-05-2002, 11:33 AM	#6
NETbilling Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 8,584	Hi, The Xserve is a great, great server. We have been testing them and are very fast. I know anet.net has a lot of Mac servers. Check them out at: www.anet.net and speak to Renee when you call. Let her know that I sent you. Thank you, Mitch Farber __________________ Mitch Farber CEO - NETbilling, Inc. Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456 Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

08-05-2002, 11:45 AM	#7
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Sounds good, let me check them out.. Um. Do they have adult hosting options? Their top virtual package seems to be 10 Gigs for $90 a month. Yeouwch. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

08-05-2002, 04:40 PM	#9
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	Okay, now this is weird... I feel like I am tying my shoelaces in the mirror, while totally submerged in Olive Oil. What is Gothweb talking about, you ask? I'm talking about using Windows. Meh! I am running Windows 98 in emulation. Even if it weren't for the clunkyness of emulation, this OS is skanky. Maybe I'm just spoiled. Obviously, MS thinks so, since XP is a cheap ripoff of Mac OS X. Ah well, at least my emulator supports my dual processors. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

08-05-2002, 04:46 PM	#10
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	according for that host4porn site the following have some mac servers: http://www.westmaster.com/ http://www.powerhoster.com/ neither looks terribly impressive. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

08-05-2002, 07:27 PM	#11
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	They look pretty, but... I think anyone that would pay $2999 for their base model is insane unless they just like the way it looks. Considering that the value of the unit in PC hardware is just about $700 I don't think these will ever gain widespread acceptance. Didn't I read somewhere that their OS has some kind of a Linux kernal? Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

08-05-2002, 07:34 PM	#12
Fro Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mee-chi-gaan Posts: 709	Here's the data sheet. They do have one advantage over most servers out-of-the-box though: QuickTime Streaming Server. It makes for a good platform for all those "Blacks on Blondes" videos you're posting on the Hun. Of course, you can get QuickTime Streaming Server for free too. __________________ I miss [Labret].

08-05-2002, 09:35 PM	#14
StacyCat Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,167	Of course, some of the talk coming out from Macworld was about the virus epidemic. If most are written for Wintel machines, then Mac should be a good backup server. It was a brief discussion about the slowing of the virus cycle.

08-05-2002, 09:42 PM	#15
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	macs are eyecandy, who the fuck would want to host anything on a mac when you can host on industry-standarish operating systems... you'd be paying a lot more for "pride" and that's it. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

08-05-2002, 10:27 PM	#16
edmo Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SanHo Posts: 359	um.. because in certain things mac osx servers are better. http://www.apple.com/xserve/performance.html the powerpc g4 chip rocks. and you can squish 630 gigaflops and 20 terabytes into a single rack. a whole rack would put you at number 57 on the top 500 supercomputers list. http://www.top500.org/list/2002/06/ equivalent to around 1000 intel based servers.

08-06-2002, 12:33 AM	#19
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	I am a die hard mac user, and I love em to death, bit for the life of me I can't figure out how they are trying to compete in the server market with $2900 mercedes benz of servers, when 99% of the IT departments and hosting companies are looking for the $1500 honda servers, never mind the fact they don't want to have anything to do with "X". IS it that they haven't learned their lesson over the last 20 years? No, I think jobs is just trying to get his foot in the door with these pricey servers, and see if he can sell enough of them to drop the price. Then I think about it more and I don't see how they can drop the price in half to compete, so it's a sad joke and destiny for such a kickass machine, just like the beloved cube, it will not be appreciated in its lifetime. __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

08-06-2002, 12:57 AM	#21
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Nice to see you over here T- Gleem. I am not a Mac fan at all. I never have been. But I have to be fair and say that this Xserve seems like it might be a winner. It won't be adopted by a ton of hosts because Mac users are the computer equivilent of aliens on Earth, but for those of us who do make the switch I think it will work out very well. I know a few people using them for their high demand streaming and they are having a great time with them. I am considering them for a project of mine that will be pushing an OC48 to capacity. Of course I get an incredible discount & special customization for the machines, but after you shave a few hundred off the price I don't think you are gonna beat them.

08-06-2002, 08:00 PM	#22
edmo Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SanHo Posts: 359	i said a whole rack would put you at 57. it seems that i forgot to post external links relating to apple power. http://exodus.physics.ucla.edu/appleseed/appleseed.html oooh external benchmarks. http://exodus.physics.ucla.edu/apple...enchmarks.html personally i wouldn't use a mac server because there's a better option still which is to use rlx blades. of course if price is the single decision criteria you can run windows 2000 on your homemade box. woo.

08-06-2002, 08:42 PM	#23
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Blades are fantastic servers and I will personally be buying a few for my regular sites since you can fit over 2 blades with dual processors and drives & into 1 ru, but if you take into account buying the blades and the management software plus the other extras it makes more sense for us to use the special discount (half off) and get the Xserves. Ease of management is what beats the blades in this case.

08-06-2002, 09:59 PM	#24
edmo Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SanHo Posts: 359	RLX System 300ex 24 servers in 3u. (336 ServerBlades in a 42U Rack) RLX System 100ex 6 p3 server blades in 1u. http://www.rlx.com/products/products.php

08-06-2002, 10:00 PM	#25
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