Didn't Bin Laden and Old Bush have a dinner together on US Soil during the Clinton presidency?

Yes it was cold, but with no real intended disrespect to any soldier. Both them and iraqi civilians are viewed as insignificant figures. The first serving a purpose and the 2nd as unavoidable losses of a greater beneficial cause. The whole situation is truly lunatic and nobody appears to be in position to step up and actually do something that will make a difference.

True. You are a big country will be afraid of half ruined Iraq all the rest of the time?

There is no war between usa and iraq.. iraq was/is being invaded by the USA over oil.

Thats something completely different

Sorry to be the one to tell you Splum, but 911 has nothing to do with Iraq.

People, mark this down and remember it:

2008 will be the first real internet presidential campaign. Not just campagin ads, but rather people with "talking points" coming to chat boards to trying to put negative spin on one candidate or another. There people will appear to be posters like you or me, but their intentions aren't to discuss, but to put the seeds of doubt or a negative opinion into your mind.

They don't have to worry about being honest, telling the truth, or about slanderous comments, because it's just people chatting, you know.

Mark it down. Threads like this will dominate chat boards, and the campaigns will be the ones placing them and encouraging them.

Bullshit lieing ass idiot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_bombing

Been there done that stop stalking me.

You dumb ass no one told the Saudis how to live, we simply used their land to attack Iraq. Matter of fact the Saudis told US how to conduct ourselves while on their land.

No one tells the Iraqis how to live either.

You know what we call you in the adult industry? A player hater, dont hate the player hate the game.

Iran has stated many times they would like to wipe out Israel and other countries that support Israel off the map. This is exactly what muslim extremists want to do wipe us from the world, oh and by the way THEY DECLARED WAR ON US NOT VICE VERSA. Its obvious you are an anti-American thats all, so blinded and jaded with jealous hate for the USA.

You are extremely simple minded, how the fuck do you survive in this business? We arent sacrificing a lot of our soldiers lives, do you realize how many "islamic terrorists" we have killed in Afghanistan and Iraq? And dont even say we are creating "more" terrorists because they have been terrorists against Christian nations for thousands of years. If you studied history instead of surviving college in a drug induced haze you would know these things.

The British pacified the middle east for many years after the fall of the Ottoman empire. There is no reason to believe we cant do the same.

I look at this list every couple weeks, and I always see new names and faces here. Young kids killed in action. Thousands and thousands of them, they don't even know what they're doing, yet they're used as cannon fodder. Take a peek, real insightful:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/ira...s/2007.02.html

It amazes me how the US talks about its "enemies" and the "threats" and forgets China and India and instead hunts down towel-headed shepherds with futuristic Helicopters and night vision gear.

The emerging economic powers are laughing their asses off as America spends trillions on waging war and homeland security while reducing investment in their infrastructure, health and the education of its people... like China and India are doing. And they're getting better and better year by year.

Just like nobody talked about the "communist threat" in the 80s (like they did in the 50s and 60s in every headline) they won't talk about the "islamic threat" in a few decades.

The next war won't be fought with weapons, it is an economic war waged with the far east and the result will likely be an economic blood letting of the US, similar to 1979-1982, with dramatic negative results for the middle class.

Sucks to be middle class then doesnt it? Id rather be broke than dead.

You tell me.

Why do you people even bother arguing with Splum on this stuff? It's a waste of time. He's the typical diehard republican that will simply hurl insults when he can't defend a defeated position any longer.

Reminds me of the French guy on top of the castle in Monty Python: The quest for the holy grail.

".. and your father smelt of elderberries!"

Splum you have such a bird brain... its sad
thank god every day you are smart enough to breath
lol

Well we all know that your broke, so at least your not dead.

well, she has all the reason to push with such move

i bet she can win the hearts of the Americans here

-a

It will not be fixed but atleast american people will no longer die there.

Iraq war has been won already, let the UN do the peace keeping

The UN Sec. Gen. should focus more on rebuilding this country
instead of a one man army

-a

What ever happened to Osama Bin Laden?
Bush is really trying hard to find him. LOL

The western media loves to do hitjobs on Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He is not crazy and he does not want to kill Americans or Israelis.

That "wiped off the map" quote of his had violent connotations to it in the western world that do not exist prior to translation in Iran where it was stated. But no reason to divulge into that when the quote as-is is so shocking and sells newspapers. Right?

He meant that Israel should be moved to somewhere in Europe or the US. He does not believe that a Jewish state should have been created in the middle east, and that moving would cease all violence between Jews and Arabs.

In theory he is correct, but the idea of moving Israel thousands of miles is just ridiculous. Even so, that is no reason to withhold information so that the quote seems violent rather than the absurd plan for peace that it was.

Another thing the media likes to do is shock us with the Iranian Ayatollah's comments when he says things like it's okay to kill X number of people or that such and such countries should be attacked. It's really the equivalent of Pat Robertson saying the same stuff here in the US on the 700 Club.

But this sort of stuff is just to build up anti Iranian sentiments that would enable war against them. People like splum fall for it every time.

Please enlighten us about what polices Bush could have put in place in NINE MONTHS? Clinton had EIGHT YEARS to enact polices to stop 9/11, that is if Clinton really believed Bin Laden was a real threat. And if Clinton thought Bin Laden was a huge threat, why didn’t he do something in his EIGHT YEARS get a police to protect the US from attacks? So really what kind of “warnings” did Clinton really give?

It is just ignorant to blame Bush for 9/11.

He is half dead and worthless rotting in Pakistan :1orglaugh

Anthrax attacks happened after 9/11. When was the last terrorist attack on US soil before 9/11?

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So put down your ipod and pickup your M-16 Boys and Girls because it's about to get even more fun !

http://www.gmi.org/ow/country/iran/owmap-l.gif

Because, much like the guy in Monty Python, he's hilarious.

you could kill a million "islamic terrorists" and it won't make much of a difference. there will always be more to step up to the plate. i don't see how you could view my thinking as simple minded and not your own. if you studied history you'd see that these countries have been at each others throats since the dawn of time and nothing will change that. i'm not saying we've sacrificed a lot of soliders yet, but 10 years from now, what will of changed unless we or they do something huge? anyhow, my main point was that americans value life very differently from those we are fighting and americans will not tolerate loosing their sons and daughters for a cause that has no foreseeable end. oh, and how i survive in this business, lol. i probably make more money than you do, not that it matters any.

Ok Splum I have a question for you.
Let’s say we decide to stay in Iraq (very probable)
We send in more troops (already in progress)
How do you think this will end?

Will we wipe out all the terrorist threats in the region and take control?
The US will be safe and the problematic Middle Eastern countries will join the UN?
Will we establish a new region called the republic of Iraq primarily consisting of military personal and their families? Soon after will McDonald’s and Starbucks will start to popup allover.

Maybe the problem is that people don't see the outcome that you see.
So here is your chance to help make others understand.

Terrorist attacks will happen regardless of whether or not a war is taking place. We're no more safe than we were then..Hell..With the majority of our armed forces overseas, how are we possibly more protected than before?

All we're doing in Iraq is trying to rebuild their country. We taken down their government, killed Sadaam and have confirmed that there are NO wmd's. What the fuck is there left to do? Kill more troops while giving other countries time to prepare for impending wars? Look at the country next to Iraq, as well as the other firing test nukes at us. That's where we need to be.

No but we will stay on top of it and kill them BEFORE they pull off a 9/11

There are plenty of middle eastern countries in the UN already?

No but we will always have a military presence there. Just like we have done in Korea, Japan, Germany etc.

Dubai, Kuwait, Qatar and Egypt have plenty of western influences(such as Mcdonalds etc hell Michael Jackson lives in the UAE) and remain friendly to US interests.

REFORM THE MIDDLE EAST TO BECOME PEACEFUL LIKE JAPAN AND GERMANY.

#1 The anthrax "attacks" were not foreign terrorism it was domestic.
#2 World Trade Center bombing 1993

Splum, I am trying to figure out - does the republican party pay you per post, or per thread? Also, do they pay for multiple threads on similar topics? Do they pay you for starting anti-democrat threads on other boards as well?

Your agenda is see thru.

Like I said in my original post, ignorance is bliss, you're definitely proof of that. I kind of hope you are just a troll like me becuase nobody could possibly be that stupid, except for maybe Pathfinder, err, I mean theking.

No one tells the Iraqi's how to live? Really? I don't remember the Iraqi _PEOPLE_ saying "Ohh mighty America, please come and give us democracy, McDonalds and Brittney Spears!" If I recall correctly, your government controlled (And probably still does control) the Iraqi government. There are curfews in place (put their by the US military) in Badgad and probably other cities in Iraqi.

An American soldier can walk into (break down the door is more like it) an Iraqi home, tell everyone to get down/get out, trash their home, etc, etc...

But nobody tells the Iraqi's what to do, right?

You know what we call you in the adult industry? Ignorant and delusional. Why don't you make a trip over there with a video camera and prove me wrong?

Won't be fixed if they stay either... but I figure since the US fucked it up they owe it to the country to stick around until things improve.

Hillary is a smart woman. Whether she would really do it if she becomes the first ever female president is another matter.

Fuck that old stupid tramp. America kicks seroius ass. I wanna see more of those 40,000000 ton bombs obliterating the living shit out of entire shit rat hole towns. Enemies of the US have alot to fear and alot more fuckin pain and suffering to endure.I'd say way more iraqis have died than 911 and the us soldiers combined.

what has she done that matters? nothing...

To the extent that we are probably spending what, almost a half a billion a day, I wouldn't mind keeping that money in our economy instead of further bankrupting our country so that there is nothing left but good stories for our children about how this used to be a great nation.

Brad

Which illustrates how distorted our views have become as to what - traditionally at least - our two parties stand for. Imperialism has in fact been pursued by both, pretty consistently since the 1920's and in no practical sense have the Democrats, overall, been any less gung ho than the Republicans. That is what has gained us so many friends around the world. Or not, according to your perception...

What is amusing about reading the likes of Splum defending his corner, is his apparent belief that a) we could afford to turn a region covering some of our largest oil supplies into a parking lot and b) anti-American sentiment and activity would be wiped out if we did. Those are both patently ludicrous visions and yet without them, nothing he says makes any sense whatsoever.

He further toes the party line by conveniently ignoring the reality that the majority of terrorist funding comes from within Saudi Arabia and reaches organisations in countries as distant as Malaysia. GW's "War on Terrorism" isn't only being fought on a very selective basis, but where it is being fought, the casualties on both sides have escalated. It takes a special kind of logic to interpret that reality as any kind of victory.