The military was denied permission to bomb strategic targets because of the micro management by polictical leaders for political reasons. The same problem that took place in Korea and the same problem that is currently taking place in Iraq. It wasn't until Nixon finally removed some of the restrictions on strategic targets and the 24/7 bombing on these targets brought the North to the peace table and an agreement in just 11 days.

I think the point republicans don't get is that if we stay we still lose.
They are still living in Dick Cheney's fantasy about being welcomed as liberators.

All the people who want us to stay should join the army so there will be enough troops or STFU.

Bush did a lot too when he first got in office, didn't he? I mean, it's not like his cabinet ignored a memo that said "bin Laden DETERMINED on striking in the US" or anything, right? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

well i dont really care

Yeah, the US got a devil of a deal out of that peace talk... (not really, all the US got was 58,000 deaths, POWs, and hundreds of thousands of WIAs)

Actually he did not ignore it as he is the one that called for the report which is basically why it was entitled as it was.

Man, I'm so tired of Vietnam excuses.

When I studied military science and became an army officer they never taught us about these excuses. They showed us how we lost and what to do to prevent it from happening again.

You sound like a guy who lost a fist fight while everyone watched you lose and you keep talking about how you would have hit him harder if ...but...but...but...but...and because....then if....

Hint: Noboby gives a shit about what "could have happened" because what happened was defeat and that's the end of the game.

it will never be "fixed"... the longer we stay the more the hatred grows and the more resistance we will encounter.

and the politicians making money has a lot to do with it the war is a money making machine, how much has been spent on this successful war? ( MOTIVE TO MAKE THE WAR LAST THE LONGER THE WAR LASTS THE MORE MONEY THEY MAKE )

at this point i don't support the war in the beginning i felt it was something that needed to be done in retaliation for 9/11 but now we are basically wiping them out and making them start from scratch sounds a bit like genocide to me were targeting the iraqi people, redefining their whole way of life all to bring us that much closer to controlling more of the worlds oil.

Of course the North did not abide by the agreement once US forces were withdrawn. The US did not abide by an agreement that it made to the South...which was to once again begin 24/7 bombing of the North...if the North did not abide by their agreement. Congress shut off all funds for any further action in Vietnam (which may also happen with Iraq) so the President could not respond to the agreement that was made with the South.

I can't stand that bitch.

Pigshit on all counts. BTW I was career military (12 years with the 82nd Airborne and egaged in four different operations) until my career was abruptly ended in the 1st Gulf War.

"WE" are wiping out the Iraqis? Actually 95% of them are being killed by terrorists(whether it be Al Qaeda in Iraq or some other group). Dont you know whats going to happen when we leave?

LOL LOL LOL

The war in Iraq made the antisentiment towards the USA even greater.
The USA is more at risk now than it ever was.

The whole situation could have been solved with the war in Afghanistan and with the liberation of Palestine.

So on September 10th, 2001 the USA was not a dangerous place? Because there had been no attacks?

Hey fool, there was never a terrorist attack until Bush took office. How you gonna work your way around that one. He was in office for 9 months when it happened, so you can't blame Clinton, and he warned him on the way out. Bush and co. refused to listen.:321GFY

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So he was fighting them there so they didn't attack us here...right?

Splum should do the right thing, enlist in the military, and volunteer for a tour of duty in Iraq.

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What a dumb hoe

At least she has a plan, as opposed to the fools in office now.

There is a reason they use the wording "war on terror" instead of "war on terrorists" . Terror is and ideology, and can last forever. Terrorists would mean we were actually fighting someone and might end one day.

I like Trumps idea. Declare victory and leave.

LOL,,,:1orglaugh

Clinton took his pants down and got caught. No one got killed.
Bush got caught with his pants down and thousands lost their lives.

Anyone who thinks a 'war on terror' can be 'won' is certifiable.

By the way, let me know when that 'war on drugs' and 'war on crime' is won. :1orglaugh

I was just laughing at your misinformation. That's all.

I just don't see how us staying there for a few years will stop them from killing one another. They hate each other, plain and simple. They will for generations. Sometimes you have to sit back and let them have their civil war, just like we did.

Exactly. Terror is a tactic and can come from anywhere. The Unibomber and Tim McVeigh were terrorists as well. We need to start specifying that we are after all radical Islamic groups abroad (and probably here as well) and any country who support them, who use terrorist tactics. How are we gonna win if we won't even clearly define who or what we are fighting.

Reading your other posts leads me to believe you are having delusions of grandeur. Can you fucking blame them for hating the US? How would you feel if some other nation came in to your country set up a military base and started telling you how to live? You'd probably be pissed to. I'm not asking you that so you can say "No country could ever invade the all powerful United States of America, blah blah blah", I'm asking how you would feel if it happened, hypothetically speaking. I suspect the feeling with be similar to the one you feel when someone lets their dog shit on your lawn and they don't clean it up, with more intensity.


Why don't you pull your head out of your ass long enough to see things from the other sides perspective? Obviously with your comment above about costa rica that's unlikely to happen, but your attitude is exactly the reason the majority of the world (Not just those camel eating bastards in the middle east) hate your country and everything it stands for. Funny that you said he lives in a bubble when it seems to me you are living in one and not him.


And let me close with saying that ignorance truly is bliss. It really, really is. GFY reminds me of that pretty much every time I read it.

Now let us all hold hands, be friends, and sing:

I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

When it comes crashing down, and it hurts inside,
ya' gotta take a stand, it don't help to hide,
Well, you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

I feel strong about right and wrong,
And I don't take trouble for very long,
I got something deep inside of me, and courage is the thing that keeps us free,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

Well you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!



AMMMERRICA, FUCK YEAH!

praise jebus

:thumbsup Great Idea :thumbsup

why would they have acted on that report ....

Let's think about why so many other countries hate America. It's because America loves to meddle in everyone elses affairs, thinks of itself as the world police force, and basically bullies other countries around. Of course there's going to be retaliation. What would be your reaction if Iran, Iraq, and other muslim countries decided they were going to "fix" America and "wipe out or reform the entire region" (your exact words).

Clinton is probably Al qaida.

You should put Jihad on him

Quoted for truth. :thumbsup

i dont see the big deal with Iraq, US soldiers are like chevy cars for this administration, easily replaceable and less than 3,000 of them broke down.

boohoo

I know this is GFY... but sheesh, that was cold. :|

Cold, but true. Soldiers are cannon fodder. To die for their government and private enterprise is their purpose.

this from a dufus whi can't even control her wandering dick husband.
hope she gets elected president.
you know bill will be fucking them interns.
that will be great content for the web.
you go hillary.
madam president and wandering cock bill.
LOL!

you are right.
and their is always the draft.
:1orglaugh

if its about that then why put such importance on the iraq and not saudi arabia where most of the 911 terrorists came from. or why has afganistan taken such a backseat when the taliban who is still pretty strong there largely funded the whole thing. sure, we should try and keep islamic extremists out of power in iraq but if saddam was still there, they wouldn't have to. not that he is much better but when you are fighting a group of people who have nothing to lose and believe that there is more honor in death than in life, you just don't stand a chance unless you are willing to sacrifce a large number of your own people or the people you claim to be liberating.

He was proven idiot in HIS FIRST post.

What Mark Twain said realy applies to splum: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."