Content is King VS Traffic is King - GoFuckYourself.com

nick3131 · 02-07-2007, 01:30 PM

This is one of my favorite debates in the industry. I will not state my position until I get a few replies, just to see what others have to say about this.

he-fox · 02-07-2007, 01:33 PM

traffic.

If you got it, you can monetize it easier than good content IMO.

nick3131 · 02-07-2007, 01:34 PM

so far 100% traffic, much expected, keep em coming

make sure you state your reasoning

Roald · 02-07-2007, 01:34 PM

both are king!

tranza · 02-07-2007, 01:36 PM

Traffic.

Jace · 02-07-2007, 01:36 PM

both are equal if you are going to do it right

DaddyHalbucks · 02-07-2007, 01:36 PM

If you have traffic, you have customers.

So, traffic is King.

Period.

=End of Debate=

itto · 02-07-2007, 01:39 PM

imho, traffic.
when the average joe surfer looks at a paysite tour he wont give a shit if all those pics and videos are exclusive or brand spankin new.. if he likes what hes lookin at, he'll buy.
it's all about the presentation i think.

fris · 02-07-2007, 01:39 PM

i hate the saying content is king.

nick3131 · 02-07-2007, 01:40 PM

*cough* retention *cough*

not taking sides, just trying to throw some fuel in the fire

I have a stand, but wont reveal it yet.

datatank · 02-07-2007, 01:40 PM

Neither Billing is KING

grumpy · 02-07-2007, 01:41 PM

you need both, but without good content they never come back and your conversions are shit.

nick3131 · 02-07-2007, 01:41 PM

who voted content?

fuzebox · 02-07-2007, 01:41 PM

T minus 10 seconds until Paul Markham comes in

I'm with the traffic camp as well. With numbers I can sell ice to an eskimo, content is just "product X" to me. Obviously it does factor in, but traffic far outweighs it.

nick3131 · 02-07-2007, 01:45 PM

Traffic definetly

Lets take 2 programs
A: has 10x more traffic but 10x less content
B: has 10x more content but 10X less traffic

A makes more $ then B, because 10x less content doesn't mean 10x less retention.

Easy formula.

Roald · 02-07-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

T minus 10 seconds until Paul Markham comes in

I'm with the traffic camp as well. With numbers I can sell ice to an eskimo, content is just "product X" to me. Obviously it does factor in, but traffic far outweighs it.

Paul has magic join links, he doesn't need traffic

bausch · 02-07-2007, 01:50 PM

CONTENT IS KING BUT TRAFFIC IS GOD

stickyfingerz · 02-07-2007, 01:51 PM

Content is king for me hehe.

beta-tester · 02-07-2007, 01:55 PM

I would say content is king! No shit, quality not quantity

DamageX · 02-07-2007, 01:56 PM

No content = no traffic
No traffic = no sales

Pointless debate.

nick3131 · 02-07-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

No content = no traffic

not really, i could buy google adwords and send them to a blank page.

Barefootsies · 02-07-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

both are equal if you are going to do it right

Exactamundo.

DamageX · 02-07-2007, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick3131

not really, i could buy google adwords and send them to a blank page.

Google = collection of content links. Without them Google would have no traffic.

Expo_Vids · 02-07-2007, 02:51 PM

Very few people in Adult care about quality of content but that seems to be changing

Snake Doctor · 02-07-2007, 02:59 PM

Content may be king, but traffic rules.

ayne468 · 02-07-2007, 03:01 PM

Both important...but without traffic...you have nothing!

Tempest · 02-07-2007, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

No content = no traffic
No traffic = no sales

Pointless debate.

Your comment only applies if you assume one without the other. But that's not really the question.. The question implies there is some of both, but which one is more important..

Think of it this way... What should you spend the majority of your time focusing on.... You can sell crap with plenty of traffic so IMO traffic is the most important thing.

VicD · 02-07-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

Ask the hun.

design is king

MaDalton · 02-07-2007, 03:08 PM

you think Karups, ATK or Twistys would make the same with shitty content and just 20 sets?

NinjaSteve · 02-07-2007, 03:15 PM

Traffic can bring sales. Content can bring rebills. Shhh... it's a secret.

Matt 26z · 02-07-2007, 03:27 PM

This is one of the stupidest debates in adult.

You've got to have the content to draw the traffic. If you are somehow getting the traffic without the content, then just imagine what your traffic could be.

Juilan · 02-07-2007, 03:33 PM

Depends what each costs you. How else could you compare the value?

DamageX · 02-07-2007, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest

The question implies there is some of both

Wow, didn't notice that implication... Might be because it wasn't mentioned in the initial post?

HomeFry · 02-07-2007, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick3131

This is one of my favorite debates in the industry. I will not state my position until I get a few replies, just to see what others have to say about this.

You will notice all of the noobs voting for "Traffic is King". I pose this to all of you... If you build a store that is empty, then advertise the hell out of it, and pack the building full of people... Will you become rich? Nope. You have nothing to sell.

However, if you pack a store with product, then open the doors, with minimal marketing, you will make money.

Obviously you need both to be successful and grow, however, putting the cart before the horse never works. Send traffic to a blank page and see how much $ you earn from it.

This debate has been settled many times over. I don't understand where the disconnect is with you people.

Content is King. Traffic is Queen. Together they can build a Kingdom.

Move along. This is once again... Settled.

Violetta · 02-07-2007, 04:02 PM

TRAFFUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can have the best content in the world, but it aint shit without traffic.

DamageX · 02-07-2007, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockatansky

TRAFFUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can have the best content in the world, but it aint shit without traffic.

See the post about yours.

Buzz · 02-07-2007, 04:27 PM

A good marketer can sell snow to polar bear

DamageX · 02-07-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz

A good marketer can sell snow to polar bear

Yes, as long as there are polar bears around.

cheekycherry · 02-07-2007, 04:32 PM

You can make money with a shit load of traffic but crap content.

You can't make any money with no traffic and great content.

(although it's rarely as black and white as the above)

StuartD · 02-07-2007, 04:36 PM

Why choose one? Just get both.

billybathgate · 02-07-2007, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaShe

Paul has magic join links, he doesn't need traffic

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DeanCapture · 02-07-2007, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Expo_Vids

Very few people in Adult care about quality of content but that seems to be changing

Thank God - otherwise, I'd be starving to death

96ukssob · 02-07-2007, 04:59 PM

content is king. but then again, im thinking for seo ;)

honestly, i do much better with 1000 visitors a day from se that i know what they are searching for, so i can optmize the page, then 10k random visiotrs that are looking for just something to beat their meat to

Brooke Anderson · 02-07-2007, 05:02 PM

Traffic is king for me. I can shoot content all day and have nobody to sell it to without traffic.

SleazyDream · 02-07-2007, 05:07 PM

well - lets look at the brokers

I honeslty don't think the big content brokers make as much as the traffic brokers.

just my opinion

one traffic broker being google.....

DamageX · 02-07-2007, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

well - lets look at the brokers

I honeslty don't think the big content brokers make as much as the traffic brokers.

just my opinion

one traffic broker being google.....

Absolutely, but if there were no content whom would they be brokering traffic to? Or WHAT traffic, to begin with?

goldmine · 02-07-2007, 05:15 PM

traffic and content are INTERDEPENDENT.

high traffic with shitty content? your traffic will drop.

Awesome content with low traffic? Just wait...

well thats just my

nick3131 · 02-07-2007, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamageX

Absolutely, but if there were no content whom would they be brokering traffic to? Or WHAT traffic, to begin with?

You're looking at it from a very idealistic perspective.

Sure you're right, no content, no market, no industry. No way to argue against that, its common sense.

But the fact is, there is content everywhere. Its easy to get, and fairly cheap, and only getting cheaper. Where as good quality traffic is getting harder and more expensive to attain.

What % of a startup affilliate program budget will be spent on traffic vs content. I would figure at least a 70/30 ratio, and thats being generous.

Brad Gosse · 02-07-2007, 06:03 PM

Some kinds of content will bring you all the traffic in the world ;)

Balance is king

devilspost · 02-07-2007, 06:06 PM

50 Traffics

View Poll Results: Content VS Traffic
Content is King	19	27.94%
Traffic is King	49	72.06%
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02-07-2007, 01:30 PM	#1
nick3131 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Gainesville, Florida Posts: 1,186	Content is King VS Traffic is King This is one of my favorite debates in the industry. I will not state my position until I get a few replies, just to see what others have to say about this. __________________ Signed nick3131

02-07-2007, 01:34 PM	#3
nick3131 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Gainesville, Florida Posts: 1,186	so far 100% traffic, much expected, keep em coming make sure you state your reasoning __________________ Signed nick3131

02-07-2007, 01:34 PM	#4
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02-07-2007, 01:36 PM	#5
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	Traffic. __________________ I'm just a newbie.

02-07-2007, 01:33 PM	#2
he-fox Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Playa del Carmen, Mexico Posts: 2,884	traffic. If you got it, you can monetize it easier than good content IMO.

02-07-2007, 01:36 PM	#6
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	both are equal if you are going to do it right

02-07-2007, 01:36 PM	#7
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	If you have traffic, you have customers. So, traffic is King. Period. =End of Debate= __________________ Boner Money

02-07-2007, 01:39 PM	#8
itto Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: world wide Posts: 1,363	imho, traffic. when the average joe surfer looks at a paysite tour he wont give a shit if all those pics and videos are exclusive or brand spankin new.. if he likes what hes lookin at, he'll buy. it's all about the presentation i think. __________________

02-07-2007, 01:39 PM	#9
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	i hate the saying content is king. __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

02-07-2007, 01:40 PM	#10
nick3131 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Gainesville, Florida Posts: 1,186	cough retention cough not taking sides, just trying to throw some fuel in the fire I have a stand, but wont reveal it yet. __________________ Signed nick3131

02-07-2007, 01:40 PM	#11
datatank Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: My dog is blacker than Tupac Posts: 5,471	Neither Billing is KING

02-07-2007, 01:41 PM	#12
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02-07-2007, 01:41 PM	#13
nick3131 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Gainesville, Florida Posts: 1,186	who voted content? __________________ Signed nick3131

02-07-2007, 01:41 PM	#14
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,115	T minus 10 seconds until Paul Markham comes in I'm with the traffic camp as well. With numbers I can sell ice to an eskimo, content is just "product X" to me. Obviously it does factor in, but traffic far outweighs it.

02-07-2007, 01:45 PM	#15
nick3131 Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Gainesville, Florida Posts: 1,186	Traffic definetly Lets take 2 programs A: has 10x more traffic but 10x less content B: has 10x more content but 10X less traffic A makes more $ then B, because 10x less content doesn't mean 10x less retention. Easy formula. __________________ Signed nick3131

02-07-2007, 01:50 PM	#17
bausch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,017	CONTENT IS KING BUT TRAFFIC IS GOD

02-07-2007, 01:51 PM	#18
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	Content is king for me hehe.

02-07-2007, 01:55 PM	#19
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DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	No content = no traffic No traffic = no sales Pointless debate. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Content may be king, but traffic rules. __________________ sig too big

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ayne468 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,738	Both important...but without traffic...you have nothing! __________________

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MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,829	you think Karups, ATK or Twistys would make the same with shitty content and just 20 sets? __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

02-07-2007, 03:15 PM	#30
NinjaSteve Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 11,089	Traffic can bring sales. Content can bring rebills. Shhh... it's a secret. __________________ ...

02-07-2007, 03:27 PM	#31
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	This is one of the stupidest debates in adult. You've got to have the content to draw the traffic. If you are somehow getting the traffic without the content, then just imagine what your traffic could be.

02-07-2007, 03:33 PM	#32
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02-07-2007, 04:02 PM	#35
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02-07-2007, 04:27 PM	#37
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02-07-2007, 04:32 PM	#39
cheekycherry Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 1,703	You can make money with a shit load of traffic but crap content. You can't make any money with no traffic and great content. (although it's rarely as black and white as the above)

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96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	content is king. but then again, im thinking for seo ;) honestly, i do much better with 1000 visitors a day from se that i know what they are searching for, so i can optmize the page, then 10k random visiotrs that are looking for just something to beat their meat to __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

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02-07-2007, 05:07 PM	#45
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	well - lets look at the brokers I honeslty don't think the big content brokers make as much as the traffic brokers. just my opinion one traffic broker being google..... __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

02-07-2007, 05:15 PM	#47
goldmine Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USS Enterprise Posts: 952	traffic and content are INTERDEPENDENT. high traffic with shitty content? your traffic will drop. Awesome content with low traffic? Just wait... well thats just my