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stickyfingerz 01-29-2007 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11815202)
State Law if you think your safe in TN your playing with yourself. Why do you think their aren't many porn producers in TN?Im trying to be nice and give you a heads up but I can tell already you think you know better. JUst make me one promise if you do get busted dont come here begging for donations because it will be no one but your fault.

Really can you point me to an article or the law somewhere?

EBORG9 01-29-2007 07:01 PM

I think you should use the letter to market the content.
Some kind of TEENREGRETS.COM, or MYMOTHERMADEMEDOIT.COM

stickyfingerz 01-29-2007 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11815214)
Really can you point me to an article or the law somewhere?

Since I already know the case you are referring to lets see what you dig up. :winkwink:

Twisted Dave 01-29-2007 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunny Leone (Post 11813668)
"Welcome to the Real WORLD SISTER".... That is what I would say....I agree with the above, if you have followed all the procedures correctly then screw her. If she wants to cover every single dime you spent on it then that is something to think about. Why should you feel bad because she was a ding dong that compromised who she was as a person for money. She should live with the mistake and learn from it.

You're only saying that because you're successful ... imagine you were in her shoes ... didn't have the fame and glory that comes with fucking for a living in higher profile shoots etc ...

She's a different person, and if you were in her shoes you'd be the same as her.

tony286 01-29-2007 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11815238)
Since I already know the case you are referring to lets see what you dig up. :winkwink:

Dont have to its your ass not mine,if your going to have a hardon attitude with models you have to be ready. Your business doesnt affect mine one way or another but to think its impossible that you can get busted is beyond dumb.You dont live in a porn friendly place and remember "its not fair doesn't work" in a court of law. Here is what your state gov is working on:
http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll.../1007/MTCN0305

Big Red Machine 01-29-2007 07:25 PM

I was clean shaven when I started reading that.....excuse me must go shave

stickyfingerz 01-29-2007 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11815314)
Dont have to its your ass not mine,if your going to have a hardon attitude with models you have to be ready. Your business doesnt affect mine one way or another but to think its impossible that you can get busted is beyond dumb.You dont live in a porn friendly place and remember "its not fair doesn't work" in a court of law. Here is what your state gov is working on:
http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll.../1007/MTCN0305

Ok now what does a law that will never get passed and being pushed with a democrat, and has to do with late night tv infomercials have to do with me? The one you were referring to had to do with a couple in Cali that were selling beastiality, incest, and piss scenes. They got busted for selling to a postal inspector. This was in 1996. I dont shoot ANYTHING close to that, and we do mostly nude teasy type stuff and light masturbation, maybe hj, and bj stuff. I dont even put most of it up for download. It is mailed fedex to our clients. Now find me the law concerning PRODUCTION of content in the state of TN.


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For example, a husband and wife operating a Bulletin Board System (BBS) from their house in Milpitas, California, were prosecuted and convicted in Tennessee for displaying obscene content. The BBS provided, among other things, access to GIF scans for a membership fee. A U.S. Postal Inspector purchased a membership from Memphis, Tennessee. The husband called the Inspector in Memphis and gave him an access code.

The Inspector brought six counts against the couple under 18 U.S.C. § 1465 for using a means of interstate commerce (a combined computer and telephone system) for the purpose of transporting obscene images, namely GIF files containing images of "bestiality, oral sex, incest, sado-masochistic abuse, and sex scenes involving urination." The couple was convicted on all six counts, and a few others including mailing a sexually explicit video to Tennessee. Their computer system was "forfeited" (the government took their property by force without compensation - see 18 U.S.C. § 1467), the husband was sentenced to 37 months in prison, and the wife was sentenced to 30 months. The Appeals Court upheld their convictions, and the Supreme Court refused to hear the case. See United States v. Thomas, 74 F.3d 701 (6th Cir.), Cert. denied, 117 S.Ct. 74 (1996).

tony286 01-29-2007 07:33 PM

once again that is old adult videos stores where busted last year.I dont have to prove it to you, Im giving you a heads up .you think you know it all thats up to you .Ive known for a long time TN is not a good place to shoot.

illeana 01-29-2007 07:39 PM

Tough call...... it makes me think..... karma..... i would give back her pics

stickyfingerz 01-29-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11815392)
once again that is old adult videos stores where busted last year.I dont have to prove it to you, Im giving you a heads up .you think you know it all thats up to you .Ive known for a long time TN is not a good place to shoot.


Video stores werent busted, they changed some zoning restrictions. Changed hours to midnight they must close where they used to be open 24 hours. The ones that got busted had prostitution going on right in the stores. I know whats going on in TN. The other thing you probably heard about was the adult store that added mainstream products in order to be able to stay open 24 hours. They ended up winning that battle. They added mainstream magazines and other products in order to have a minimum percentage of non adult products. The strip clubs are now fighting a 3ft rule that they have passed and is now starting to get beat too. Clubs that had to close are now opening again. Nashville 3 to 5 years ago had open "spas" and whore houses and pretty much open prostitution. That got cut back of course, but still places around. I know what is going on in TN. So does my lawyer.

ThreeDeviants 01-29-2007 07:50 PM

Heh, she lost me after the first line... If you've got a release and she got paid, then the work is yours, not hers. Plain and simple. Her only recourse is to purchase the license to the content. The value of which is production cost + potential future income of the project... and that's only if you haven't re-sold the rights to it already.

It's business, plain, cold and simple.

rapmaster 01-29-2007 07:53 PM

come on, pics!

rapmaster 01-29-2007 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rapmaster (Post 11815476)
come on, pics!

or at least describe her, I need a visual

The Ghost 01-29-2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Persignup Qon (Post 11811426)
its not "her" work... its your work. i don't even have to read that shit. sign, sealed, delivered, STEP.

Agreed :2 cents:

Beaver Bob 02-06-2007 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 11813172)
I wasn't even about to read all that shit...

I have a handjob video up right now that I shot with a GOOD friend of mine...She would BEG me to do pictures or video and I turned her down because I know her kids and they're getting older now so I didn't want them to see her face online..

After constant begging, I told her I wouldn't shoot any pictures because I knew she would regret it later but I would shoot the video where her face wasn't shown....I'm a good friend of hers so I did everything in my power to protect her interests and not fuck her over.

TWO DAYS after the shoot was over, she calls me and tells me that she doesn't want the video up yet and that I "didn't care about her" by putting the video up anyway...

What I believe happened is that she wanted the money immediately and thought that since she was my friend, she could weasle out of her video being put online...She was wrong...

Now it's been up a couple of weeks and she hasn't had any problems so everything is cool now...But I will NEVER conduct business with her again.

ya this is why I wouldn't want to shoot my friends. Unless she is already in the industry.

to the topic at hand, she is a grown woman and is capable of making her own decisions. She did what she did, this is business. Plain and simple.

emthree 02-06-2007 03:05 AM

She should write a book.

theruyan 02-06-2007 03:48 AM

I'd concur wth the other guy here that reminded you how she wrote about the guns and the lifestyle she was involved with -- that alone is enough reason for you to cut your losses this time, maybe try to squeeze a little dough out of her for your time, and give her back those damn pictures and then blacklist her name as a model. :2 cents:

You are dealing with a mentally ill person straight up, yo.

You can go on and on about it being a business deal and so on like the other people here are suggesting but there is no such thing as a business deal with the mentally ill, and bro, she sounds FUBAR to me. That letter borders on psycho. This is the stuff stalkers are made of, trust me on this, I've been dealing with a stalker of this caliber for 11 fucking years, my man.

You WANT this chick out of your life and to forget you even exist as quickly as possible. Just try to get some dough out of her and regardless, give her back those pics and forget about it. :2 cents:

VicD 02-06-2007 03:54 AM

Don't use the material but get the money back, otherwise...

DutchTeenCash 02-06-2007 04:23 AM

one small reply : no

DeadFidel 02-06-2007 04:47 AM

This was to be a rhetorical thread, but I let it run it's course. I took the loose BTW.
http://www.lionita.com/boy.jpg

james_clickmemedia 02-07-2007 10:36 AM

I get that happen from time to time. Don't usually remove them however once a model died and I removed her pics/video etc...

uno 02-07-2007 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadFidel (Post 11868947)
This was to be a rhetorical thread, but I let it run it's course. I took the loose BTW.
http://www.lionita.com/boy.jpg

God damn, where do you find all these fucked up pics?

alredy1 02-09-2007 04:06 PM

really crazy one girl

fl_prn_str 02-09-2007 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by twisted Illustration (Post 11811448)
It amazes me how so many people are quick to jump and say "tough... money matters more" in one way or another. I couldn't sleep at night knowing I'd fucking helped to destroy a girl's life....



so what your saying is if all the girls you shot were to come back to you and ask that their content be taken down because they were not in there right mind when they did that....would you take it as a loss....

Twisted Dave 02-09-2007 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fl_prn_str (Post 11891242)
so what your saying is if all the girls you shot were to come back to you and ask that their content be taken down because they were not in there right mind when they did that....would you take it as a loss....

That's not gonna happen is it? That's an extreme, and unrealistic situation that simply would never happen. You take each scenario by it's own and work from there.

fl_prn_str 02-09-2007 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by twisted Illustration (Post 11891448)
That's not gonna happen is it? That's an extreme, and unrealistic situation that simply would never happen. You take each scenario by it's own and work from there.


yes not a chance....but models talk....one model will say...I just played this photographer bitch...didnt you work with him....its a type of domino theory.

if you allow one to use it to their advantage they will play you everytime.

not trying to be mean just pointing out the obvious...:helpme

Lykos 02-09-2007 06:33 PM

too long to read it,if she signed the contract,fuck her,u own her... if u want to be good man,return her tapes:)

woj 02-09-2007 07:27 PM

If she returned all the money paid + extra for my time, I would return her work.... but no way I would take a loss over some whore's drama...

CIVMatt 02-09-2007 10:29 PM

If she returned all the money paid + extra for my time, I would return her work.... but no way I would take a loss over some whore's drama...



woj is 1000000% correct

ardrigh 02-10-2007 05:38 AM

I'm suspecting that this bitch is a crakin high when writing her letter to you. Manifestation is the self pity.

You sell to her the shit(of course, including the expenses and the likes) if you still have it. If it's already sold, then, you can't do any help to her except to say sorry...

:pimp

JaneB 02-10-2007 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadFidel (Post 11811395)
Here is her mail: I paid her and have the doc

I believe I made a mistake when I did the shoot with you. Although I needed the money many variables come into mind while rethinking my actions.
They were right when they said that high school years go by so quickly. It seems like I was living in the fast lane filled with plenty of good intentions just bad ideas. My friends and I always had a phrase that we thought was pretty good, "live fast die young"; maybe it was a part of our sarcastic humor that we loved it so much. I started dealing drugs and selling weapons on the streets, I witnessed horrible crimes that still give me nightmares, I started popping pills and shooting heroin, and questioned the validity/worth of my life entirely all too often . .. I was really living that phrase to the fullest: I was living fast, and dieing young.

I started dating my friend Joe, and he was involved in the same kind of bad activities I was. He was a great support for me, and he listened when I would talk about my mother. We were engaged sometime during my sophomore year. I remember him getting violently angry that she was telling me things like I was not pretty, I needed make up, I needed to lose weight, etc. He straight said that she was never a mother to me and she will never be one, and to forget about what she says because she is not worth it. By this point my grades were already starting to fall, I didn?t understand why my own mother would hate me so much. What could I possibly have done wrong to deserve this, and why won?t she let me talk to her? We never had open lines of communication, and now that my grades were falling below an A level I never heard the end of it, I was screwing up my life and I wouldn?t amount to anything. This was the first time I?d gotten any recognition for my academics, unfortunately it was negative. She asked why the change? She hadn?t listened to my problems before why would she now. The depression was only the beginning.
My aunt suggested that we go thru family counseling. I agreed. Every attempt I had made of trying to talk to my mother never ended well. Not only was I unable to ever finish what I was saying, but she always had a quick close minded over critical answer to things I wasn?t looking for an answer too. She never came to any performances or events all through high school and asked why I was wasting my time on things like photography and music. Music was the only thing there was sometimes. I had already been speaking with two of the people who worked at my school and they understood everything I was saying. Every approach they came up with for me to try failed horribly, and every time I would try to tell her how I was feeling and what I thought shed say I was incorrect, it was my problem and in my head and had nothing to do with her. At some point she pushed me into therapy and I was livid, she didn?t see that it was our relationship that needed help and not what was in my head alone.
After that I never heard the end of it about my grades. It was at the point where she made me quit any and all extracurricular sports or music programs I was in.
My junior year Joe and I broke off our engagement because he was continuously cheating on me. Not only was I unattractive, a failure as a daughter and a student, but apparently a bad girlfriend as well. I had huge problems getting up in the mornings the rest of my time in high school, I had no drive to learn, to love, or to live. I had no reason to live. In my mind how could anyone ever love ore really car about me if my own mother couldn?t even on the most instinctual of levels. Love was just another word for revenge. The first time I tried to kill myself, I walked in calm as ever, kicked off my shoes, dropped my bag, grabbed the gun- no hesitation- and it was out. My friend had taken the clip from me knowing I?d been having some bad times. Needless to say I was pissed and my emotions covered the board.
My mom started getting more and more in my face about why my grades were so low and how I was messing everything up. She asked why I had ditched school and I told her ?I thought I deserved a day off since I was planning to kill myself?. Even with a statement straightforward as that she didn?t do too much to help. Mornings were getting increasingly harder to get up for. There was no point to going to school. I could make a few hundred dollars in five minutes or waste my time marinating in a class room for years. By April things were really rolling outside the house. I was at the top of my game and living it up, my brothers and I still talked at this point even though we had all moved to different parts of the state by now. Andy and I were catching up one night and I told him I was taking some pills to knock myself out for the night. He was holding back the tears but clearly worried saying ?girl, what happened to you?? I told him that I wouldn?t have all that I was planning to, I took one less. At the end of the call I remember laying on my bed watching the shadows dance on the ceiling behind the fan thinking I should turn off my bedside lamp. I went to turn it off and realized I couldn?t move at all: not my arms or my legs, nothing. I started to feel the drugs setting in and thought that if I died there no one would know, and it would be really quiet, and I wouldn?t mind at all?then I blacked out.
Mid April 2005 I was going to go out with a group of my friends to another old friend?s place to go swimming. Well, things came up and I ended up just having my old friend pick me up at my place. We watched a movie about our fav band at the time, played some video games, and talked movies and art. A cd had just recently came out and he was playing it on his pc and said that the speakers were bad and we should pop it in the stereo in his room. I was like ?word man, yeah? and we walked to his room and i was looking at the art on the walls and he put in the cd. I turned around to say something and before I knew it his hand was around my neck and I was being forced down on the bed, he raped me. Something I never thought would happen to me, not with how I carried myself outside and my reputation. He raped me and took my virginity and I was supposed to just carry on with my life. I felt like everyone could see what had happened and I couldn?t do anything to change it. I ended up telling Andy and he ?took care of it?. I was a failure at life, and now I was truly worthless in every sense of the word. I again attempted to take my life, my ex fiancé Joe was trying to calm me down. We talked until we each fell asleep.

My skin was beyond pale, and I was sweating but cold to the touch, I laid down. She watched my chest breathe few and far between breaths until she got me to stand again. We did a sorry dance because she said that I needed to get my heart going again.
After I left her place I loved my syringe with a passion stronger than anything else. It was pain and pleasure wrapped into one. I would shoot in the bathroom of wherever I was, multiple times a day and before I went to sleep. I never had to feel again. I never had to do anything again. And no one cared to stop me. I don?t remember exactly when I upgraded to heroin, I just rembmber it being cost effective; rather than using a grip of pills, it was easier to shoot heroin and get a better high and really be gone. I loved heroin, but could not tell anyone about my love. I only used a needle for about four months and the family that I cared about, Andy and all them, weren't talking to me because they know for a fact that needles change people. Andy still blames himself for everything that?s happened to me thinking that it is all his fault. He is one of the few reasons I am alive now and telling my story to help anyone who will listen.
One night in November 2005, I remember being in my moms bathroom and shooting up; but the needle was clogged and not to mention dull. It was my last one and I was not willing to use a dirty one from elsewhere. I remembered a crack head I once saw cut himself pretty deep and he shoved the stuff in there and It must have burned like hell but he really needed it. I thought that if I take my knife and cut my leg I could do the same and it?ll burn but it will be better in a little while. At that point I remember looking at my eyes in the mirror and realizing what I was doing. I put everything down and called Chuck and said ?Chuck, I've got a problem? and told him the whole story. He and some other friends picked me up and we got rid of all the junk and I started making supported efforts to get straight.
I dropped out of high school that following December. I remember telling my mother I used to pop pills, I used to be a junkie, I tried to kill myself, I sold drugs and weapons, I was raped, I told her everything.. and she heard me for once, but only for a moment. She cried for a minute or two, then it was like it never happened. I was done with her. All the signs had been there, and I had even tried to talk to her, she knew all the pills
I have been clean for a year, and am in college now. Im majoring in fine arts and naturopathic medicine. Everyday is still a struggle, and there are still nightmares and feelings of withdrawl even to this day. im not sure when itll all stop, but im staying straight.
at this point i am seriously considering seeing my doctor for depression since it has not lifted.
this winter my boyfriend and i are going to quit smoking ciggs as well.
I hope you understand my request for not using the material we shoot.


Let her buy back the pictures. That way you do not lose on what you paid her. You get your money back and she can have the photo's.

JaneB 02-10-2007 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 11813607)
That is the worst comparison ever.. the engineer WOULD stop if he could. Here the publisher has a chance to stop. Yes she is adult and she signed legal papers, but it is not about the legality. It is about keeping things easy. These girls are often very confused and despite they are 18, often have not properly matured to the level of a normal 18 yo.
On top of that this girl sounds crazy, suicidal.. would you want the next headline to be : 18 year old college student kills herself, she was cohersed into doing porn and could not find a way out...


The girl was not cohersed into doing porn. She did it because she wanted the money. It is her own fault for shooting the pics. She does sound crazy, but that is not his problem. Half the people on this website sound crazy too. If she kills herself it is because she is fucked up, not because of the pictures. Sounds like she needs a reality check of life. If I were him, I would give her the pictures back after she gave him the money back. Why should he be out the money for the shoot because some crazy girl changed her mind?

Blingbaby 02-10-2007 09:41 PM

This post is useless without pics..

BSleazy 02-10-2007 10:07 PM

If your dead broke and don't give a fuck about anybody but yourself than tell her to fuck off.

Personally, I would give her everything back if you haven't already sold it. If you have, don't sell anymore. But, at least make her pay you the money back if she can. What's that one shoot really worth to you anyways? Is she drop dead gorgeous and going to make you a multimillionaire on the hottest new solo-girl site or something?

On another note. Stories like these do get heard by others and probably don't help the adult industry at all. Picture the headlines...

"Pornographers taking advantage of teenage girls with drug problems, tonight on 60 minutes" :)

p.s.
my statement is based solely on reading just her first paragraph.

Sebastian Sands 02-10-2007 11:05 PM

is this the girl you forced to suck you on film and put it in a thread on here and it backfired?..

fl_prn_str 02-10-2007 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Sands (Post 11896734)
is this the girl you forced to suck you on film and put it in a thread on here and it backfired?..

http://wizbangblog.com/images/2005/chappelle_james.jpg


COLDBLOODED

bizman2960 02-11-2007 12:53 AM

Tell her to suck your cock and you'll think about it. Then in a few days, tell her you need more time to think, and get another blowjob. Rinse. Repeat.

Kolargol 02-11-2007 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11813202)
Man a bunch of cold people here,no wonder people say we are scumbags. Tell her to give you back your money and you will take the pictures down,chances are that will make her go away. To go to war over one girl is not good business and we arent in the most loved business in the world.
A piece of advice for Sticky maybe you dont know but you arent in the most porn friendly state in the union, you piss some girl off and you could have shit storm like you wouldnt believe.

You will end with all his models coming back after 2 days or 2 years asking to pull down the pictures because they changed their minds. I always explain very carefully what i am going to do with pics & videos and then if they want to pull down the videos from my sites I give them an option to buy them: her salary, my salary, make-up artist's salary, hairdresser's salary, my costs + 100% fee for trouble. I don't charge for future income from the session.

xcitecash 02-11-2007 08:39 AM

You should have done what i did and read the first few lines. no point reading a sob story ... then make a decision to offer her to pay for the work and let her have it back... ..

or just say fuck it she made a choice

BlackCrayon 02-11-2007 08:52 AM

life is hard, get a fucking helmet. geez, if only life worked this way. we could go back on things we regret doing and make them disappear. that is not reality. thats a dream world.


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